I don't think pyre is the right place to put this because you're going to have a hard time playing in combat. However, I do think bards should get a cantrip that magically evaporates water as it lands on an instrument.

> This already exists as an AoE zero slot cyclic: Caress of the Sun.

Yes, but a cantrip would be nice. That way you can use other cyclics when you're not in the mood to be helpful.

Turn it into a battle duration self-cast pulse to group/area spell.

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> In fairness, you normally can't cast spells (and thus train magic) when playing an instrument.

In fairness, that's a bard perk.

> I get why people enjoy cyclics, but part of me wonders if cyclics are preferred less because they're functionally useful and more because they're easy-mode and circumvent certain limitations players would already face.

If there is a single guild that has a right to ask for more flexibility or potency while using cyclics, it's a bard.

sJ> play hymn slow
You begin a slow hymn on your bowlback mandolin with only the slightest hint of difficulty.
sJ> prep eotb
You should stop playing before you do that.
sJ> stop play

You stop playing your song.
sJ> prep eotb
Since you're not feeding enough power into the spell pattern to make it coherent, you quickly work your way to the minimum required.
That won't affect your current attunement very much.

With a mnemonic tune in your mind, you trace out the symbols of the Eyes of the Blind spell.


Gonna call that a Bard perk. Albeit one I didn't know about.

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Thayet
@thayelf // http://thayette.tumblr.com

"But you must know that if corruption is powerful enough, it's not corruption at all — it's law. Unspoken, unwritten, but law." — Robert Jackson Bennett, City of Stairs

Huh. Well... 6 ranks/circle of Performance is no joke. I need all the help I can get.


- Navesi

>>Can we just appreciate the magnificence of a rondo on a triangle?

Hah. For anyone who doesn't know, according to wikipedia a rondo sounds like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNgJgNk8dto

I use the triangle in DR because it is a) more difficult than the standard lower levels of instrument, b) weatherproof, c) percussion, which means no need to remove any armor. Unfortunately it's not one-handed, but it was the best I could do at my skill level. If I had a better method of weatherproofing, and I didn't have to remove armor, I'd be using my oboe. :(


- Navesi

I'm not sure if its a bard perk so much as a "some bard stuff used to require instruments" to be played. I'm not sure which one it is/should be either -- since I was not involved in any design or decisions with Bard 3.0 changes. I did ping Raesh on this one though to see if he knows.

~Evike

> Nooo, please don't steal away our toooyyys!!!

Let's be fair here. Bards have so much going for them in this arena, and we all know how over powered performance is. A negligible spirit regeneration while playing. Ungodly money making potential from random passersby tips. That imperceptible spirit regen. With all of those benefits, why do you think they should be able to cast spells too. (/s in case it wasn't obvious)

If this has to be removed, then can we at least wait until bardic abilities are released? I mean, if no one has noticed this in the last 6 years then I doubt it has had much of an effect on game balance.

<<This already exists as an AoE zero slot cyclic: Caress of the Sun

Yes but i for one spend my time hunting and work in performance when there are no mobs in the room. It makes it so i dont have to sit around playing while out of combat. It works quite well but my instrument is wooden which means rain will(does) affect it. Heck id even pay slots for a non cyclic instrument protection spell. Or maybe being able to craft some special wax or something that protects your instrument from the elements. Its efficiency could be based on your bardic lore.. at least there'd be a use for it then :p

> Yes but i for one spend my time hunting and work in performance when there are no mobs in the room.

The concept of a single target "dry this thing" spell cantrip already exists for warrior mages, so I don't think it's too much of a leap for a "dry this instrument" for bards. You could also, maybe, let bards learn cantrips from other guilds. Nothing earthshattering, just simple stuff like the face change cantrip from Moon Mages and a small number from Warrior Mages.

Either way, I like the idea of using sanctuary / Balm mid-hunt to slow down the pace, take a breather, play an instrument, and then go back to mass murder.

> Instruments being damaged by weather is honestly kind of an annoying legacy thing.

I think it's flavor. I wouldn't be in favor of removing it.

> Literally nothing else in the game that I can think of is affected in such a way except like, spellbooks.

Weather effects interact with a lot of systems.

* Rain + Spellbooks, as you mentioned.

* Cloud cover + Predictions.

* Weather + elemental spells (mana efficiency is (or I remember was) affected)

* Does it affect fleas?

Honestly, I think the dynamic environment should have greater effects on the world, not less.

>> * Cloud cover + Predictions.

However, my telescope is not damaged if I pull it out in the rain.

>> * Weather + elemental spells (mana efficiency is (or I remember was) affected)

Again, no item damage. It affects the potency in a very minor way. It does not break something or prevent you from using a spell entirely.

>> * Does it affect fleas?

No.

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"But you must know that if corruption is powerful enough, it's not corruption at all — it's law. Unspoken, unwritten, but law." — Robert Jackson Bennett, City of Stairs

That has not been the case for at least as long as I've been playing Moon Mages. So...pre-2002? Maybe before then it was a thing and I've just never heard of it. If it was, then it was sensibly changed.

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Thayet
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"But you must know that if corruption is powerful enough, it's not corruption at all — it's law. Unspoken, unwritten, but law." — Robert Jackson Bennett, City of Stairs

I think it's be fine if weather hindered playing your instrument a little, with Bards getting a bonus against that effect. I just want instrument damage from weather to go away or be replaced by it being a thing that happens with use rather than weather as someone suggested. Then instrument maintenance becomes a regular thing for everyone instead of people just looking for weatherproof instruments.

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Thayet
@thayelf // http://thayette.tumblr.com

"But you must know that if corruption is powerful enough, it's not corruption at all — it's law. Unspoken, unwritten, but law." — Robert Jackson Bennett, City of Stairs

I could make due with a ritual spell or anything non cyclic for keeping instruments dry. I tend to cast sanctuary in combat to pop boxes and such because some area only one one or two good mana room and those go fast. So, if I'm in there I don't want to loose it. It'd be nice if I could cast some sort of caress of the sun effect without having to remove sanctuary. It would just be more useful in my eyes if it wasn't a cyclic.

>>I kind of dislike the idea of sanctuary being a 'I was here first and will therefore stay' tool.

So you have a problem with banner of truce and innocence then as well (and to a lesser degree whole displacement and halo), because they have the same, if not similar, effect. The difference is that sanctuary needs enough power to reach that effect here than say... banner of truce, which just works if you cast it. It's not like a 30th circle bard could use it to reach that effect right off the bat in most regular cases. I see no problem with it and think its a nice spell that works as intended (not counting those special spawn mechanic mobs like warlkin). And lets be honest, even if sanctuary wasn't a thing, I for one would stay regardless... as I'm sure every other person would if the hunting was good.

>>Yes, though I don't know anyone who uses BoT or Innocence to sit in a hunting ground in that way. But absolutely - I dislike the notion of using a spell to simply hold onto a hunting room.

Seeing as it falls under the scope of what the spell(s) are capable of doing, i don't see anything wrong with it. They're not hurting anyone and as long as they aren't afk scripting for hours, days or weeks on end.. who cares. It's working as intended--hence the name... "sanctuary".