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If it takes 10 minutes to ML magics you need to change how you train.
Strangeguard
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Hah! I've complained for years that Tish doesn't learn right. Trust me, tested with this other clerics doing the same thing as Tish, they learn better magic/lore/weapons over Tish. One of the reasons I switched to survivals, it was easier.
You are Safe Cracker Tishra Rothem, Shadow Priest of Elanthia
You are Safe Cracker Tishra Rothem, Shadow Priest of Elanthia
I just don't have the patience for Survivals, even in TF where I don't have to watch it
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>>You're kidding right? It takes me 10 minutes to lock magic. Why not work foraging? Personally, I hear everyone complain about how hard it is, yet I worked them all to over 200.
I train the hell out of my survivals as well. My average is up to a meager 140. That doesn't mean that Foraging is fun, or rewarding, or even remotely balanced in learning.
It will continue to be a massive void of training time for us as long as survival terts are hindered with timers that secondaries and primaries do not need to encounter.
Rather than spend 10 minutes locking foraging, I spend 7-8 minutes locking perception, and foraging gets to very muddled or so. That is significantly better use of my time.
Syralon
Cleric of Ushnish
Airanie whispers, "are you raising?"
>whisper air I don't deal with corpses.
Airanie whispers, "ah I'm sorry thought you were a cleric, my apologies"
I train the hell out of my survivals as well. My average is up to a meager 140. That doesn't mean that Foraging is fun, or rewarding, or even remotely balanced in learning.
It will continue to be a massive void of training time for us as long as survival terts are hindered with timers that secondaries and primaries do not need to encounter.
Rather than spend 10 minutes locking foraging, I spend 7-8 minutes locking perception, and foraging gets to very muddled or so. That is significantly better use of my time.
Syralon
Cleric of Ushnish
Airanie whispers, "are you raising?"
>whisper air I don't deal with corpses.
Airanie whispers, "ah I'm sorry thought you were a cleric, my apologies"
>I've complained for years that Tish doesn't learn right. Trust me, tested with this other clerics doing the same thing as Tish, they learn better magic/lore/weapons over Tish.
Unless your character has some really weird bug that no one has heard of (unlikely), I think the problem is in your head.
As far as locking magic taking the same amount of time as foraging, I don't think the comparison is valid. First, you're talking about locking multiple skills. Secondly, you can't really compare primary skillsets to tertiary ones. So if you are correct about TTL (time to lock), that says to me that foraging is not teaching enough.
Unless your character has some really weird bug that no one has heard of (unlikely), I think the problem is in your head.
As far as locking magic taking the same amount of time as foraging, I don't think the comparison is valid. First, you're talking about locking multiple skills. Secondly, you can't really compare primary skillsets to tertiary ones. So if you are correct about TTL (time to lock), that says to me that foraging is not teaching enough.
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Well i know swamp shaman needs alot more TM or whatever then shaman, which doesnt make sense when you take into account wraith and forest wraith and arcane versions of other titles.
The only difference is sposed to be the swamp part which would be foraging and swimming, i think they didnt go by the normal rules for it tho :(
The only difference is sposed to be the swamp part which would be foraging and swimming, i think they didnt go by the normal rules for it tho :(
>>Well i know swamp shaman needs alot more TM or whatever then shaman, which doesnt make sense when you take into account wraith and forest wraith and arcane versions of other titles.
Uhm it makes perfect sense if you're using those examples. The difference between Wraith and Forest Wraith is over 500 ranks.
-Teeklin
"Gown Removed Carelessly. Head, less so." - Joss Whedon
Uhm it makes perfect sense if you're using those examples. The difference between Wraith and Forest Wraith is over 500 ranks.
-Teeklin
"Gown Removed Carelessly. Head, less so." - Joss Whedon
I thought someone posted that they wouldnt let forest wraith have more or less hiding then regular wraith
Well I personally dont see why being a shaman who lives in a swamp means more TM its not a special hierophant only swamp title. Just cause some high clerics call themself swamp shaman, i serious doubt thats the only swamp in the world
If im a shaman and i live in the swamp and swim and forage not sure whyd id need three times as much TM to be a swamp shaman.
Just seems to me the only difference is the swamp part which is the swimming and foraging part, thats just my opinion tho.
I still think a gm should at least tell me what skill it is that replaces TM so i can at least attempt to get it. Not even asking for rank just the skill
Well I personally dont see why being a shaman who lives in a swamp means more TM its not a special hierophant only swamp title. Just cause some high clerics call themself swamp shaman, i serious doubt thats the only swamp in the world
If im a shaman and i live in the swamp and swim and forage not sure whyd id need three times as much TM to be a swamp shaman.
Just seems to me the only difference is the swamp part which is the swimming and foraging part, thats just my opinion tho.
I still think a gm should at least tell me what skill it is that replaces TM so i can at least attempt to get it. Not even asking for rank just the skill
>Well I personally dont see why being a shaman who lives in a swamp means more TM its not a special hierophant only swamp title. Just cause some high clerics call themself swamp shaman, i serious doubt thats the only swamp in the world
The swamp is dangerous. It is home to some of the biggest, meanest, non flex critters in the 4 provinces (p5 obviously changed that), and they are cursed, undead, or otherwise clericy. I would imagine that the title was patterened after the few clerics who DO call themselves swamp shaman.
The swamp is dangerous. It is home to some of the biggest, meanest, non flex critters in the 4 provinces (p5 obviously changed that), and they are cursed, undead, or otherwise clericy. I would imagine that the title was patterened after the few clerics who DO call themselves swamp shaman.
>>I thought someone posted that they wouldnt let forest wraith have more or less hiding then regular wraith
Completely different situation since Forest Wraith is a ranger title and wraith is a general stealth title while Shaman and Swamp Shaman are both cleric titles.
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Completely different situation since Forest Wraith is a ranger title and wraith is a general stealth title while Shaman and Swamp Shaman are both cleric titles.
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If you're looking for a precedent, look at Warrior Priest vs High Priest. By the same logic being applied to this situation, they shouldn't be very different. They're both Priests, after all. What's that you say? A High Priest is much more advanced than a simple Warrior Priest? Well, a Swamp Shaman is much more advanced than a simple Shaman.
Also, while the Zaulfung may not be the only swamp in the known world, it is likely the largest and definately the most notable. Therefore, it is reasonable to refer to it as THE swamp.
Fuquois
Also, while the Zaulfung may not be the only swamp in the known world, it is likely the largest and definately the most notable. Therefore, it is reasonable to refer to it as THE swamp.
Fuquois
i was part of the swamp shamans :( not that i'll ever be up for the title. i got me a swamp backpack and everything.
You tap a black swamp backpack that you are wearing.
Stringy black moss and muddy green slime have been smeared over this black swamp backpack as a dire camoflauge.
There appears to be something written on it.
A black backpack reads:
"From the mire life begins... at my hand, it ends."
now i'm just a poser :)
Verbal
You tap a black swamp backpack that you are wearing.
Stringy black moss and muddy green slime have been smeared over this black swamp backpack as a dire camoflauge.
There appears to be something written on it.
A black backpack reads:
"From the mire life begins... at my hand, it ends."
now i'm just a poser :)
Verbal
I think the Swamp Shaman title is somewhat unique in that it has no real relevance to any sort of title outside of DR. The title only exists because there is/was a group of clerics in the haven swamp calling themselves swamp shamans and it has caught on. With that in mind, I think it's entirely acceptable that the title be more or less modeled after those people, and if that means higher TM, then that's fine by me. I'll have the TM before I have the swimming, that's for sure.
working slowly but surely towards Swamp Shaman,
Brother Bromus
working slowly but surely towards Swamp Shaman,
Brother Bromus
If you look back far enough, there is a wonderful post about the swamp shamans arriving into Riverhaven as an elite defense force. I don't remember which forum, but it was nice to read.
-- Holy Scholar Diarik Erasto, Arcane Researcher, in search of spiritweaving.
http://www.livejournal.com/users/pensive-spirit/
-- Holy Scholar Diarik Erasto, Arcane Researcher, in search of spiritweaving.
http://www.livejournal.com/users/pensive-spirit/
>If you look back far enough, there is a wonderful post about the swamp shamans arriving into Riverhaven as an elite defense force. I don't remember which forum, but it was nice to read.
That's actually exactly what they were. During sorrow's war, or the outcast war, it was nice to wander down the NTR and see them fighting a barrier and such. Of course, I then got to pick up all the coins/gems/etc. that were dropped, so I'm probably biased.
That's actually exactly what they were. During sorrow's war, or the outcast war, it was nice to wander down the NTR and see them fighting a barrier and such. Of course, I then got to pick up all the coins/gems/etc. that were dropped, so I'm probably biased.
Hope everyone is enjoying the new ones, but there's still room for a LOT more. I'd like to have every guild hovering around 200 titles and right now, you guys are at 107. So...
What's missing?
The easy thing to do would be to add several titles that focus on the gods. Just adding two for each deity would put you very close to 200.
Now, there should also be deity-related titles available to the laymen as well, so here's the question:
What title(s) should Clerics have that link to specific gods?
What titles should everyone else have (and thusly Clerics have as well) that link to specific gods?
Solomon
What's going on?
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What's missing?
The easy thing to do would be to add several titles that focus on the gods. Just adding two for each deity would put you very close to 200.
Now, there should also be deity-related titles available to the laymen as well, so here's the question:
What title(s) should Clerics have that link to specific gods?
What titles should everyone else have (and thusly Clerics have as well) that link to specific gods?
Solomon
What's going on?
http://www.livejournal.com/~drbubba
Solomon,
I've long thought that we should be able to set a specific Immortal as our Affliation title. It could simply be based off the last-favor mechanism that's already present in-game. This could be opened to everyone, not just Clerics.
For example, currently I use:
Soul Mutator Syralon Adranash, Warrior Priest of Velaka
which I could then change to:
Soul Mutator Syralon Adranash, Warrior Priest of Ushnish
It wouldn't help in adding to the overall number of titles, but it would provide an extra and sensible way for us to indicate our immortal choice. It could easily coexist with more specific immortal based titles.
Syralon
Cleric of Ushnish
Airanie whispers, "are you raising?"
>whisper air I don't deal with corpses.
Airanie whispers, "ah I'm sorry thought you were a cleric, my apologies"
I've long thought that we should be able to set a specific Immortal as our Affliation title. It could simply be based off the last-favor mechanism that's already present in-game. This could be opened to everyone, not just Clerics.
For example, currently I use:
Soul Mutator Syralon Adranash, Warrior Priest of Velaka
which I could then change to:
Soul Mutator Syralon Adranash, Warrior Priest of Ushnish
It wouldn't help in adding to the overall number of titles, but it would provide an extra and sensible way for us to indicate our immortal choice. It could easily coexist with more specific immortal based titles.
Syralon
Cleric of Ushnish
Airanie whispers, "are you raising?"
>whisper air I don't deal with corpses.
Airanie whispers, "ah I'm sorry thought you were a cleric, my apologies"
Hand of (Godname)
I could see this as perhaps being shared with Paladins.
(Godname)'s Blade
(Godname)'s Warrior
(Godname)'s Avatar [this might be a bit much, but it sounds cool]
Definitely include all 39 aspects and don't forget about the Rakash and Pryd gods.
Please, just no (Godname)'s [insert survival title here] a la the Arcane (everything) series.
I would hope that an "of God" affiliation title be available to all guilds.
~Ranger Hanryu, Sword of House Calibanor
>Scripting is not against policy. Bad scripts make baby Everild cry. ~ Ssra
I could see this as perhaps being shared with Paladins.
(Godname)'s Blade
(Godname)'s Warrior
(Godname)'s Avatar [this might be a bit much, but it sounds cool]
Definitely include all 39 aspects and don't forget about the Rakash and Pryd gods.
Please, just no (Godname)'s [insert survival title here] a la the Arcane (everything) series.
I would hope that an "of God" affiliation title be available to all guilds.
~Ranger Hanryu, Sword of House Calibanor
>Scripting is not against policy. Bad scripts make baby Everild cry. ~ Ssra
As a frequent raiser, my favor count is pretty much through the roof. Other people might remember Volentri's death spree when he wanted to change his last-favor; I'd prefer it if we didn't have to do that.
I'd accept it if it were based on last-favor, but I'm hoping that another mechanic can be conceived to handle it. After all, what if I changed gods? It's not easy to reflect this. What if I followed two gods (Diarik does)? And while there are some people who don't follow a single god because they're indecisive (for whatever reason...), there are almost certainly some who follow all of them as a matter of principle. It'd be nice to give them something, too.
I'm not criticizing the idea: heck, yes. Wearing "Arcane Researcher of Eluned" or "Arcane Researcher of Meraud" would be great. (<cough>Religions<cough>)
-- Holy Scholar Diarik Erasto, Arcane Researcher, in search of spiritweaving.
http://www.livejournal.com/users/pensive-spirit/
I'd accept it if it were based on last-favor, but I'm hoping that another mechanic can be conceived to handle it. After all, what if I changed gods? It's not easy to reflect this. What if I followed two gods (Diarik does)? And while there are some people who don't follow a single god because they're indecisive (for whatever reason...), there are almost certainly some who follow all of them as a matter of principle. It'd be nice to give them something, too.
I'm not criticizing the idea: heck, yes. Wearing "Arcane Researcher of Eluned" or "Arcane Researcher of Meraud" would be great. (<cough>Religions<cough>)
-- Holy Scholar Diarik Erasto, Arcane Researcher, in search of spiritweaving.
http://www.livejournal.com/users/pensive-spirit/
The title system is based off having to make choices from a variety of options. If you follow multiple individual gods and don't want to favor one over another, don't choose those titles.
A flexible, polytheistic system like we've got in DR means that it is prohibitively complex to cover all the bases.
Syralon
Cleric of Ushnish
Airanie whispers, "are you raising?"
>whisper air I don't deal with corpses.
Airanie whispers, "ah I'm sorry thought you were a cleric, my apologies"
A flexible, polytheistic system like we've got in DR means that it is prohibitively complex to cover all the bases.
Syralon
Cleric of Ushnish
Airanie whispers, "are you raising?"
>whisper air I don't deal with corpses.
Airanie whispers, "ah I'm sorry thought you were a cleric, my apologies"
One way to differentiate would be for laymen to only be allowed to designate the god they last got a favor for. Clerics could chose any god as their post.
I am trying to think of ways to designate multiple gods- I think there should be ways to designate at least 2 gods- Friar Flavius, Witchdoctor of Kertigen and Hodierna.
What about those who lean towards the Dark or Light Aspects of the pantheon? How about Friar Flavius, Witchdoctor of the Dark? Witchdoctor of the Light? Witchdoctor of the Grey?
I also like "of the 13"
Pre titles would be nice also- Faenella's Favorite Friar Flavius sounds lovely.
How about only clerics could have godly pre-titles, while all others could have godly post titles? That would make for some differentation.
Or perhaps there should be one generic non-cleric godly title: Follower of Meraud, Worshipper of Meraud, something like that
I am trying to think of ways to designate multiple gods- I think there should be ways to designate at least 2 gods- Friar Flavius, Witchdoctor of Kertigen and Hodierna.
What about those who lean towards the Dark or Light Aspects of the pantheon? How about Friar Flavius, Witchdoctor of the Dark? Witchdoctor of the Light? Witchdoctor of the Grey?
I also like "of the 13"
Pre titles would be nice also- Faenella's Favorite Friar Flavius sounds lovely.
How about only clerics could have godly pre-titles, while all others could have godly post titles? That would make for some differentation.
Or perhaps there should be one generic non-cleric godly title: Follower of Meraud, Worshipper of Meraud, something like that
>What title(s) should Clerics have that link to specific gods?
>What titles should everyone else have (and thusly Clerics have as well) that link to specific gods?
There should be a "Religion" category for both cleric and non-cleric ones, so that Thieves can't pretend such titles. Sort of like MMs and the Astrology category.
Non-clerics:
Ushnish Follower: 15 favors
Ushnish Minion: 20 favors
Ushnish Devotee: 25 favors
Clerics:
Ushnish Priest: 15 favors plus 20th circle
Ushnish Fanatic: 20 favors plus 50th circle
Ushnish's Favorite: 25 favors plus 70th circle
Ushnish's Chosen: 30 favors plus regular Chosen reqs
>>I'd like to have every guild hovering around 200 titles and right now, you guys are at 107.
Hmm, it looks like there are about 9 completely unknown titles. Would it be possible to post a a full list of the latest batch without reqs, please?
That reminds me, Blessed and Ritualist seem to be in the system, but no one has them? I'd think they are low level titles.
>>I've long thought that we should be able to set a specific Immortal as our Affliation title. It could simply be based off the last-favor mechanism that's already present in-game.
Agreed. If that's not possible, I'd like "Priest of Ushnish" and "High Priest of Ushnish" in the Religion/Cleric category, at least.
>>(affiliation titles)This could be opened to everyone, not just Clerics.
Should require at least 30 favors, though.
>>How about only clerics could have godly pre-titles, while all others could have godly post titles? That would make for some differentation.
I like.
~Aeth
>What titles should everyone else have (and thusly Clerics have as well) that link to specific gods?
There should be a "Religion" category for both cleric and non-cleric ones, so that Thieves can't pretend such titles. Sort of like MMs and the Astrology category.
Non-clerics:
Ushnish Follower: 15 favors
Ushnish Minion: 20 favors
Ushnish Devotee: 25 favors
Clerics:
Ushnish Priest: 15 favors plus 20th circle
Ushnish Fanatic: 20 favors plus 50th circle
Ushnish's Favorite: 25 favors plus 70th circle
Ushnish's Chosen: 30 favors plus regular Chosen reqs
>>I'd like to have every guild hovering around 200 titles and right now, you guys are at 107.
Hmm, it looks like there are about 9 completely unknown titles. Would it be possible to post a a full list of the latest batch without reqs, please?
That reminds me, Blessed and Ritualist seem to be in the system, but no one has them? I'd think they are low level titles.
>>I've long thought that we should be able to set a specific Immortal as our Affliation title. It could simply be based off the last-favor mechanism that's already present in-game.
Agreed. If that's not possible, I'd like "Priest of Ushnish" and "High Priest of Ushnish" in the Religion/Cleric category, at least.
>>(affiliation titles)This could be opened to everyone, not just Clerics.
Should require at least 30 favors, though.
>>How about only clerics could have godly pre-titles, while all others could have godly post titles? That would make for some differentation.
I like.
~Aeth
I agree on all of them, but please don't forget to Racial Gods for Rakash and Prydaen's? It would be nice to have titles assoicated with them where proper.
The only problem i can see with the use of favors is, i recall a cleric needing to kill himself around 50 times
just to change the last god he gained a favor with.
So i'd rather seem them added in a genearl sense if they are for clerics to choose from, and of course this wouldn't work for the Racial gods since they have no favor orbs.
The Dragon priest hisses, "We'd have won, too, if it weren't for thossse meddling kidsss."
>
The only problem i can see with the use of favors is, i recall a cleric needing to kill himself around 50 times
just to change the last god he gained a favor with.
So i'd rather seem them added in a genearl sense if they are for clerics to choose from, and of course this wouldn't work for the Racial gods since they have no favor orbs.
The Dragon priest hisses, "We'd have won, too, if it weren't for thossse meddling kidsss."
>
I wouldn't mind 'Hand of the gods', 'servant of the gods', and the ilk, but I think it's way too long for a title?
And I'd suggest everyone have access to '<god>'s servant, etc.
I'd also like to hedge away from the last-favor system, since it can be a bit scetchy.
Perhaps God's fist/blade/hammer with appropriate brawling/bladed/blunt skills.
I'd actually like to see more magic titles, perhaps based on spell posesion. Could you have 'Orison Bob'?
Transmutor for having EF/BF maybe?
And I'd suggest everyone have access to '<god>'s servant, etc.
I'd also like to hedge away from the last-favor system, since it can be a bit scetchy.
Perhaps God's fist/blade/hammer with appropriate brawling/bladed/blunt skills.
I'd actually like to see more magic titles, perhaps based on spell posesion. Could you have 'Orison Bob'?
Transmutor for having EF/BF maybe?
