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So I just encountered a dying guy who walked in bleeding all over the place and asking for healing. I cast Heart Link on him, then he proceeded to die a few moments later, presumably from blood loss. Heart Link should have prevented this, but failed to do so.
Thanks,
-Life Sustainer Karthor
>>So I just encountered a dying guy who walked in bleeding all over the place and asking for healing. I cast Heart Link on him, then he proceeded to die a few moments later, presumably from blood loss. Heart Link should have prevented this, but failed to do so.
Heart link isn't like blood staunch. It doesn't entirely stop bleeding, it just reduces it to the lowest possible level. It also reduces the bleeding level with each pulse, so if someone was bleeding copiously it may take a few pulses to reduce the bleeding significantly.
That's also pretty much how it worked in 2.0 as well, as far as I remember.
Melete
We must expect posterity
to view with some asperity
the marvels and the wonders
we're passing on to it;
But it should change its attitude
to one of heartfelt gratitude
when thinking of the blunders
we didn't quite commit.
Heart link isn't like blood staunch. It doesn't entirely stop bleeding, it just reduces it to the lowest possible level. It also reduces the bleeding level with each pulse, so if someone was bleeding copiously it may take a few pulses to reduce the bleeding significantly.
That's also pretty much how it worked in 2.0 as well, as far as I remember.
Melete
We must expect posterity
to view with some asperity
the marvels and the wonders
we're passing on to it;
But it should change its attitude
to one of heartfelt gratitude
when thinking of the blunders
we didn't quite commit.
Hrm, I thought it was supposed to stop bleeding, poison, and disease from affecting the target at all (and that's how the preliminary 3.0 spell list described it). That's pretty much what Nissa's Binding did in 2.0, wasn't it? And Heart Link was supposed to have picked up the effects of old NB. I know it did an outstanding job of stopping poison from having any effect during Testing, I guess I was figuring it would do the same for bleeding.
Thanks,
-Life Sustainer Karthor
Thanks,
-Life Sustainer Karthor
>>Hrm, I thought it was supposed to stop bleeding, poison, and disease from affecting the target at all (and that's how the preliminary 3.0 spell list described it)
Yeah, it did say that. I'm not sure where the change came from, but at this point I believe the discern/guildleader spiels are accurate, so in general I'd go by those rather than the old post. Sometimes a very minor wording change from the post to the design doc can have rather significant impact on how the spell actually got written, I guess.
I'm not opposed to the idea of making the spell match the old post (since I know it's a niche spell -- at least it seems like it? Do you guys use it a lot?) But at this point changing stuff requires me to propose things and go through the whole process rather than just tweaking things directly like we could during the early days.
Melete
We must expect posterity
to view with some asperity
the marvels and the wonders
we're passing on to it;
But it should change its attitude
to one of heartfelt gratitude
when thinking of the blunders
we didn't quite commit.
Yeah, it did say that. I'm not sure where the change came from, but at this point I believe the discern/guildleader spiels are accurate, so in general I'd go by those rather than the old post. Sometimes a very minor wording change from the post to the design doc can have rather significant impact on how the spell actually got written, I guess.
| Heart Link establishes a vital connection between the Empath and a subject, granting the subject a measure of the Empath's holistic well being. Under the protection of a Heart Link, bleeding is reduced, poisons and diseases are stifled, and the Empath's life force flows outward to replace lost vitality. In previous years Heart Link was feared more than loved, due to its connection to the crippling Nissa's Binding. Advances in spell design have severed the two patterns, rendering Heart Link a purely beneficial spell. |
I'm not opposed to the idea of making the spell match the old post (since I know it's a niche spell -- at least it seems like it? Do you guys use it a lot?) But at this point changing stuff requires me to propose things and go through the whole process rather than just tweaking things directly like we could during the early days.
Melete
We must expect posterity
to view with some asperity
the marvels and the wonders
we're passing on to it;
But it should change its attitude
to one of heartfelt gratitude
when thinking of the blunders
we didn't quite commit.
<<I'm not opposed to the idea of making the spell match the old post (since I know it's a niche spell -- at least it seems like it? Do you guys use it a lot?)>>
Yeah now that you mention it I really don't use it very much. Maybe a little bit during invasions or something, but even then it's hard to tell how helpful it really is. It's sort of strange...it sounds like the sort of spell that ought to be really useful and powerful, but in practice it doesn't seem to really have many applications. I really thought it would shine in the sort of emergency situation that came up the other day, but it turned out to be a bit disappointing. I think having the blood management aspect behave like Blood Staunching would help its cause. And a group cast option :D
Thanks,
-Life Sustainer Karthor
Yeah now that you mention it I really don't use it very much. Maybe a little bit during invasions or something, but even then it's hard to tell how helpful it really is. It's sort of strange...it sounds like the sort of spell that ought to be really useful and powerful, but in practice it doesn't seem to really have many applications. I really thought it would shine in the sort of emergency situation that came up the other day, but it turned out to be a bit disappointing. I think having the blood management aspect behave like Blood Staunching would help its cause. And a group cast option :D
Thanks,
-Life Sustainer Karthor
isn't part of the problem the time it takes to get it going interferes with healing?
group option i don't see happening, since only one heartlink may be active on an individual (at least, on the target. i haven't tried using heartlink on two targets)
my thought would be a cyclic, that just having it go takes mana, but doesn't award much exp, like maybe 10% of 'normal', and 'normal' exp when it's ACTIVELY on a target, which means keeping it on a fully healed person still only awards 10%exp... so it's not just an exp-booster, unless you're using it... which just means a target that's bleeding that ISN'T an empath.. same as most of our skills not rewarding exp for being done on another empath.
to re-direct it to someone perhaps use similar syntax to a moon mage using shift moonbeam - perhaps GESTURE LINK <target> - one pulse while it dissipates on the original target, if there is one, and one pulse where it starts on the new target, and then the NEXT pulse actually does something.
this allows the empath to provide direction for the heartlink, but doesn't stop them from working on the patient. this could also allow them to provide additional triage to patients they can't actively heal yet because they're busy, but this could help keep that patient alive until we CAN get to them.
the last part i think would be the most useful detail for heart link, keeping a person from getting worse before we can get to healing them, at least as a younger empath, or during invasions when we have almost no chance of getting to everyone quickly.
-Druaka
>The shadowling exclaims, "Mana neeto!"
group option i don't see happening, since only one heartlink may be active on an individual (at least, on the target. i haven't tried using heartlink on two targets)
my thought would be a cyclic, that just having it go takes mana, but doesn't award much exp, like maybe 10% of 'normal', and 'normal' exp when it's ACTIVELY on a target, which means keeping it on a fully healed person still only awards 10%exp... so it's not just an exp-booster, unless you're using it... which just means a target that's bleeding that ISN'T an empath.. same as most of our skills not rewarding exp for being done on another empath.
to re-direct it to someone perhaps use similar syntax to a moon mage using shift moonbeam - perhaps GESTURE LINK <target> - one pulse while it dissipates on the original target, if there is one, and one pulse where it starts on the new target, and then the NEXT pulse actually does something.
this allows the empath to provide direction for the heartlink, but doesn't stop them from working on the patient. this could also allow them to provide additional triage to patients they can't actively heal yet because they're busy, but this could help keep that patient alive until we CAN get to them.
the last part i think would be the most useful detail for heart link, keeping a person from getting worse before we can get to healing them, at least as a younger empath, or during invasions when we have almost no chance of getting to everyone quickly.
-Druaka
>The shadowling exclaims, "Mana neeto!"
double-post:
perhaps add this to the adaptive curing? if you attempt to heal poison/disease/vitality, heartlink triggers on that patient...
(or still make it cyclic, but have it assume that if you're healing one of those three, you want the hearlink on THAT patient...)
>The shadowling exclaims, "Mana neeto!"
perhaps add this to the adaptive curing? if you attempt to heal poison/disease/vitality, heartlink triggers on that patient...
(or still make it cyclic, but have it assume that if you're healing one of those three, you want the hearlink on THAT patient...)
>The shadowling exclaims, "Mana neeto!"
