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I'm not sure where to put this in here I just know it's best to go in our guilds folder....
There's been at least one empath I personaly know of thats been abusing this spell...putting people to sleep for no reason.
I ask that there's some change to this. Ether have the target have to ACCEPT (wich I'd rather not have done) or make it so the target has to stay in the room with the empath for the effect to continue.
In addition(or at the very least) I'd like for empaths thats had this spell casted on them by other empaths that they can void the spell out by casting the spell on themselves.(Empath A casts n Empath B, Empath B casts the spell on themselves and the selfcast one overrides Empath As cast)
and/or
I'd like for the targets of these spells to be able to release the spell.
Also I'd like to be able to turn my avoids on and off will asleep.(or just drag)
~Rolach
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Heh...maybe I should work Elavin up in Prime to NB people. Seems it's raising hairs...lol
Roles, are you speaking for you or for "the people"?
>>Ether have the target have to ACCEPT
Heh...there are a lot of spells that players can cast upon others that I would love to be able to decline. Chain Lightning? >decline
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Roles, are you speaking for you or for "the people"?
>>Ether have the target have to ACCEPT
Heh...there are a lot of spells that players can cast upon others that I would love to be able to decline. Chain Lightning? >decline
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>Roles, are you speaking for you or for "the people"?
heh no, I'm speaking for my empath that got put to sleep last night for joking around with a friend (I called her a "wierdo" for spamming me with touches when I kept avoiding them) and then was moonagated (wile still asleep) to asery. (from ratha)
Not to mention she'd put several people to sleep for little or no reason.
Also I personaly think that a heart link should only be maintained if the empath is in the room witht he target.
~Rolach
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heh no, I'm speaking for my empath that got put to sleep last night for joking around with a friend (I called her a "wierdo" for spamming me with touches when I kept avoiding them) and then was moonagated (wile still asleep) to asery. (from ratha)
Not to mention she'd put several people to sleep for little or no reason.
Also I personaly think that a heart link should only be maintained if the empath is in the room witht he target.
~Rolach
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Yeah...the sleep and gate...always makes one laugh until one becomes the victim. Had this person annoyed me enough (and I hadn't felt that a sleep/gate was necessary) I would have consulted with someone about that, especially if that person was doing this to more than one person. Reason behind consulting with a GM is that I know someone who got locked out for doing the sleep and gate on someone.
And that heart link thing is the one thing that gives me hope that one day there will be longer-distance healing :grin:
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And that heart link thing is the one thing that gives me hope that one day there will be longer-distance healing :grin:
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If someone is harassing people using the spell, report them for harassment or kill them. There is absolutely no reason to nerf it. It's already hard enough to use, and it's the closest thing to a decent offensive/defensive spell we have.
If NB is made "avoidable" I expect to see the same changes made to spells like Halt, Calm and Tingle. I can't remember how many times someone has Halted me or someone I know to make it easier for someone else to attack. It's certainly much more common than using NB.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
"Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie." - Mae West
If NB is made "avoidable" I expect to see the same changes made to spells like Halt, Calm and Tingle. I can't remember how many times someone has Halted me or someone I know to make it easier for someone else to attack. It's certainly much more common than using NB.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
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>>It's like... Hey, lets eliminate ramps because handicapped people can roll down them faster than I can walk.
ROFL! So true...so true...they should have to take the stairs just like everyone else! :shakes fist:
No, I'm not being serious :-P
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ROFL! So true...so true...they should have to take the stairs just like everyone else! :shakes fist:
No, I'm not being serious :-P
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>>If someone is harassing people using the spell, report them for harassment or kill them. There is absolutely no reason to nerf it. It's already hard enough to use, and it's the closest thing to a decent offensive/defensive spell we have.
Absolutely. People have been banned from using spells or abilities that they have abused before. If this person is truly being nothing more than a trouble-maker then it should happen again.
Ryeka
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Absolutely. People have been banned from using spells or abilities that they have abused before. If this person is truly being nothing more than a trouble-maker then it should happen again.
Ryeka
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>There is no problem with NB. If someone is using it as harassment report. Real simple. Or, just kill them, that works too.
Right so my only options are to be a whiner and report her at best she gets put in time out and stops doing it for a few months to let her record clear and then starts doing it again....
Or as my empath I can kill her....right...that is not gonna happen
Also as I read through these posts I find is humorous that I'm only hearing the ACCEPT thing....the one thing I said I'd rather not have happen. I did give several other options
What I'd love to happen is the self cast thing for empaths. That way empaths can cast it on others and sleep them....and get killed if they're abusing it. But since other empaths can't kill them then it'd be good for that empath to cast on themselves and null it out.
>Why is this even a topic again?
Because as much as you hate me for what ever it was I seem to have done to you. My posts can still make a difference.
Overall I'm not asking for a nurfing of the spells involved, I'm asking for fellow empaths to have other options besides reporting. There was once a thing in this game called Roleplaying....seems the population has since killed it....
~Rolach
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Right so my only options are to be a whiner and report her at best she gets put in time out and stops doing it for a few months to let her record clear and then starts doing it again....
Or as my empath I can kill her....right...that is not gonna happen
Also as I read through these posts I find is humorous that I'm only hearing the ACCEPT thing....the one thing I said I'd rather not have happen. I did give several other options
What I'd love to happen is the self cast thing for empaths. That way empaths can cast it on others and sleep them....and get killed if they're abusing it. But since other empaths can't kill them then it'd be good for that empath to cast on themselves and null it out.
>Why is this even a topic again?
Because as much as you hate me for what ever it was I seem to have done to you. My posts can still make a difference.
Overall I'm not asking for a nurfing of the spells involved, I'm asking for fellow empaths to have other options besides reporting. There was once a thing in this game called Roleplaying....seems the population has since killed it....
~Rolach
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Resurrector Nonavet day 276 of the 380th year.
And what check would you propose putting in place to see whether or not it gets cancelled out? There's already a stat check in place for NB, after all, on top of the magic skill required to cast it without falling asleep.
I'm not comfortable with a guaranteed successful way for an Empath to stop NB. There needs to be a check in place at the very least for releasing a heart link.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
"Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie." - Mae West
I'm not comfortable with a guaranteed successful way for an Empath to stop NB. There needs to be a check in place at the very least for releasing a heart link.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
"Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie." - Mae West
Besides abuse what other reason would there be for one empath to have to sleep another empath?
Do you really need to put another empath to sleep all the time because they are saying stuff you don't like? Don't forget the fact that casting NB on everyone else will still work the same....but for them they can kill you the same as they can now.
All I'm proposing is a way for non bonded empaths (even young ones) a way to avoid this kinda thing. All I'm asking is for another option other then getting shock or reporting.
If the GMs hate my idea at least make it so we can toggle our avoids. As it is right now my empath is sitting here with his hold and drag avoids on so someone just doesn't pop on and sleep him and drag him off.
~Rolach
In the early morning, a figure steps off the Kree'la. His body tired from his long quest. The gold-edged chain armor he wears not helping his burden. With a soft voice he speaks. "I am finally home"
Resurrector Nonavet day 276 of the 380th year.
Do you really need to put another empath to sleep all the time because they are saying stuff you don't like? Don't forget the fact that casting NB on everyone else will still work the same....but for them they can kill you the same as they can now.
All I'm proposing is a way for non bonded empaths (even young ones) a way to avoid this kinda thing. All I'm asking is for another option other then getting shock or reporting.
If the GMs hate my idea at least make it so we can toggle our avoids. As it is right now my empath is sitting here with his hold and drag avoids on so someone just doesn't pop on and sleep him and drag him off.
~Rolach
In the early morning, a figure steps off the Kree'la. His body tired from his long quest. The gold-edged chain armor he wears not helping his burden. With a soft voice he speaks. "I am finally home"
Resurrector Nonavet day 276 of the 380th year.
>> Besides abuse what other reason would there be for one empath to have to sleep another empath?
I really don't like your use of the word 'abuse' here.
There is a difference between sleeping someone, even repeatedly, for being aggressive, offensive or annoying and sleeping someone (or multiple someones) just because you can. I once again draw your attention to the "Halt" spell and how it is used in a similar manner.
I thought we got over the "empaths are saints and can do/say no wrong" mentality here awhile ago. Sometimes empaths do things that warrent being slept, too. If you didn't, and someone is using the spell to sleep you repeatedly as a form of harassment, then you should report. There's a rather big rift between the two.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
"Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie." - Mae West
I really don't like your use of the word 'abuse' here.
There is a difference between sleeping someone, even repeatedly, for being aggressive, offensive or annoying and sleeping someone (or multiple someones) just because you can. I once again draw your attention to the "Halt" spell and how it is used in a similar manner.
I thought we got over the "empaths are saints and can do/say no wrong" mentality here awhile ago. Sometimes empaths do things that warrent being slept, too. If you didn't, and someone is using the spell to sleep you repeatedly as a form of harassment, then you should report. There's a rather big rift between the two.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
"Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie." - Mae West
> I once again draw your attention to the "Halt" spell and how it is used in a similar manner.
Except paladins can kill each other....
But nevermind, I'll take it comepletely OOC and start reporting everything.
Sorry for wasting everyones time trying to come up with IC things.
~Rolach
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Resurrector Nonavet day 276 of the 380th year.
Except paladins can kill each other....
But nevermind, I'll take it comepletely OOC and start reporting everything.
Sorry for wasting everyones time trying to come up with IC things.
~Rolach
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Resurrector Nonavet day 276 of the 380th year.
Yes, sorry you can't discuss this rationally instead of going hyperbolic because we don't agree with your desire to nerf a spell.
And yes, giving Empaths the unilateral ability to avoid being NB'd without a skillcheck is a nerf, and a rather big one.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
"Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie." - Mae West
And yes, giving Empaths the unilateral ability to avoid being NB'd without a skillcheck is a nerf, and a rather big one.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
"Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie." - Mae West
There are aleady things in place that help you avoid being abused by this spell.
First: To sleep someone with NB and stay awake, you have to have a lot of skill as it is. I don't remember doing it successfully until I was at least 50th circle, maybe 60th.
Second: Someone has to have a heartlink first. If you are having an argument or being annoying or are simply completely healthy, and someone casts heartlink on you, that only means one thing; Nissa is going to pay you a visit. You know what's coming at that point. There is no element of surprise there.
Third: Nissa's Binding is virtually impossible to snap cast (350pm/harness + 100 rank PM CJ and I still pretty much have to wait for fully prepared). After they heartlink you, you know what's coming and have 17 seconds to get the heck away. In 17 seconds you should be able to get clear across town and hide. You can sleep it off in safety.
Fourth: You can set your demeanor to avoid being touched entirely, thus making heartlinking you impossible and unbindable and unsleepable. I think there should be a seperate avoid for this instead of demeanor, but oh well.
>There was once a thing in this game called Roleplaying....seems the population has since killed it....
What does this have to do with the death of roleplaying? Did you try roleplaying it out first?
>Also I'd like to be able to turn my avoids on and off will asleep.(or just drag)
Being able to avoid anything while unconscious or dead is ridiculous as it is.
My first post was in jest, but I still find it amusing that out of all of the abilities and spells that can do harm to someone, you actually came and posted about Nissa's Binding.
~Purehand
First: To sleep someone with NB and stay awake, you have to have a lot of skill as it is. I don't remember doing it successfully until I was at least 50th circle, maybe 60th.
Second: Someone has to have a heartlink first. If you are having an argument or being annoying or are simply completely healthy, and someone casts heartlink on you, that only means one thing; Nissa is going to pay you a visit. You know what's coming at that point. There is no element of surprise there.
Third: Nissa's Binding is virtually impossible to snap cast (350pm/harness + 100 rank PM CJ and I still pretty much have to wait for fully prepared). After they heartlink you, you know what's coming and have 17 seconds to get the heck away. In 17 seconds you should be able to get clear across town and hide. You can sleep it off in safety.
Fourth: You can set your demeanor to avoid being touched entirely, thus making heartlinking you impossible and unbindable and unsleepable. I think there should be a seperate avoid for this instead of demeanor, but oh well.
>There was once a thing in this game called Roleplaying....seems the population has since killed it....
What does this have to do with the death of roleplaying? Did you try roleplaying it out first?
>Also I'd like to be able to turn my avoids on and off will asleep.(or just drag)
Being able to avoid anything while unconscious or dead is ridiculous as it is.
My first post was in jest, but I still find it amusing that out of all of the abilities and spells that can do harm to someone, you actually came and posted about Nissa's Binding.
~Purehand
>> Fourth: You can set your demeanor to avoid being touched entirely, thus making heartlinking you impossible and unbindable and unsleepable.
You do not need an Empathic link with someone to cast Heart Link on them, which is as it should be.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
"Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie." - Mae West
You do not need an Empathic link with someone to cast Heart Link on them, which is as it should be.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
"Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie." - Mae West
The rest of the posters did a good job explaining why all of your suggestions are not very good, so I wont bother talking about any of that. But, I do want to address this one point.
<<Because as much as you hate me for what ever it was I seem to have done to you.
I don't hate you, Rolach, I don't hate you either, in fact, I don't even dislike you. I "hate" to break it to you but, you're just not all that important enough to me for me to have anything resembling a strong emotion for you. You're just another one of the hundred or so faceless posters that also mean pretty much nothing to me.
Sorry.
And, even if I did feel some great flaming hatred for you, it wouldn't change how I disagree with pretty much everything you posted on this subject. I'd have responded the same way if it had been anyone else.
<<My posts can still make a difference.>>
Hopefully the only difference your posts will make is you learn how policy works and how to correctly use the report function. It's not whining if your reporting something that's against policy, especially something like harassment.
~Nexty
<<Because as much as you hate me for what ever it was I seem to have done to you.
I don't hate you, Rolach, I don't hate you either, in fact, I don't even dislike you. I "hate" to break it to you but, you're just not all that important enough to me for me to have anything resembling a strong emotion for you. You're just another one of the hundred or so faceless posters that also mean pretty much nothing to me.
Sorry.
And, even if I did feel some great flaming hatred for you, it wouldn't change how I disagree with pretty much everything you posted on this subject. I'd have responded the same way if it had been anyone else.
<<My posts can still make a difference.>>
Hopefully the only difference your posts will make is you learn how policy works and how to correctly use the report function. It's not whining if your reporting something that's against policy, especially something like harassment.
~Nexty
<<I could've sworn you needed a link to cast HL too. Maybe it was changed?>>
This was never the case. For years and years (even pre-Magic 2.0), my Empath has HLed people she had no intention of touching.
It's a great way to help out critical patients AND the Empaths healing them if you're too wounded/low on vitality to actually heal yourself. It can ALSO be used if you're dealing with idiots (if you're inclined to help out idiots) who won't sit to be tended or leave their avoids on, all the while yelling about how they're dying.
Sometimes I sleep them, too, which I tell them is for their own good, but is MOSTLY for my enjoyment.
~Laril
This was never the case. For years and years (even pre-Magic 2.0), my Empath has HLed people she had no intention of touching.
It's a great way to help out critical patients AND the Empaths healing them if you're too wounded/low on vitality to actually heal yourself. It can ALSO be used if you're dealing with idiots (if you're inclined to help out idiots) who won't sit to be tended or leave their avoids on, all the while yelling about how they're dying.
Sometimes I sleep them, too, which I tell them is for their own good, but is MOSTLY for my enjoyment.
~Laril
I can't remember if you used to need one or not, but it's been this way since I rolled up my current Empath and started using Heart Link.
Most people still think you need one and tell younger Empaths as much. Most of the websites around 2-3 years ago even said so, but I tried it out and it worked so yipee.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
"Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie." - Mae West
Most people still think you need one and tell younger Empaths as much. Most of the websites around 2-3 years ago even said so, but I tried it out and it worked so yipee.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
"Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie." - Mae West
>All I'm asking is for another option other then getting shock or reporting.
Oh, wah, sorry, my heart bleeds for you. When NB first came out this way, our GM said that abuse of the spell would lead to it being pulled, like snipe.
Surprised no one has hit you with Raise Power. That is the spell that actually does something to your opponent, even more than NB and it isn't on the yank for inappropriate use list.
Oh, wah, sorry, my heart bleeds for you. When NB first came out this way, our GM said that abuse of the spell would lead to it being pulled, like snipe.
Surprised no one has hit you with Raise Power. That is the spell that actually does something to your opponent, even more than NB and it isn't on the yank for inappropriate use list.
>>Surprised no one has hit you with Raise Power. That is the spell that actually does something to your opponent, even more than NB and it isn't on the yank for inappropriate use list.
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It'll be even more fun when Ssra makes those changes to combat and fatigue affects...muahahahahaha!!! The tables of power will finally turn to the Empath's guild!!!!!!! MUAAAAHAHAHAHAA <gasp> <hack> <gasp>...sorry...sore throat.
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SHH! Don't mention our supar sekret weapon of dewm!
It'll be even more fun when Ssra makes those changes to combat and fatigue affects...muahahahahaha!!! The tables of power will finally turn to the Empath's guild!!!!!!! MUAAAAHAHAHAHAA <gasp> <hack> <gasp>...sorry...sore throat.
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From the highly unscientific tests we ran at the fountain some time ago...The amount of mana to sleep someone without sleeping yourself seems to go down with skill. At minimum skill, you'll probably need at least 25-26 or so in the spell. The minimum skill you need is in the low 200s.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
"Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie." - Mae West
Rev. Reene, player of a few
"Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie." - Mae West
<<At minimum skill, you'll probably need at least 25-26 or so in the spell. The minimum skill you need is in the low 200s.>>
Can you even get that much into NB with that skill? I recall only being able to get about 20 into the spell with those magics, and now I find I can easily sleep someone when I put 24ish in, and I backfire if I try to cram in more mana than that.
It might be a stat difference, though, as my Elf doesn't have the highest discipline in the world.
~Laril
Can you even get that much into NB with that skill? I recall only being able to get about 20 into the spell with those magics, and now I find I can easily sleep someone when I put 24ish in, and I backfire if I try to cram in more mana than that.
It might be a stat difference, though, as my Elf doesn't have the highest discipline in the world.
~Laril
I tested this when I was very young. Under 30th circle.
There is a trick to where an empath with very little skill can do it everytime, but I am not posting it. There are alot of empaths who misuse it. The funny part is, the weirdos who are abusing it, usually fall asleep to. No way I will show them how not too. However, I will share with some folks who actually will use it the way it is meant. My AIM is inurafterglow. I will tell you if I know you and trust you.
"Those who dance are thought insane by those who don't hear the music." -George Carlin
Rapidonia, player of.
There is a trick to where an empath with very little skill can do it everytime, but I am not posting it. There are alot of empaths who misuse it. The funny part is, the weirdos who are abusing it, usually fall asleep to. No way I will show them how not too. However, I will share with some folks who actually will use it the way it is meant. My AIM is inurafterglow. I will tell you if I know you and trust you.
"Those who dance are thought insane by those who don't hear the music." -George Carlin
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Bwahhahahaa at the absurd suggestion of nerfing a spell for empaths, Rolach.
It takes a pretty decent amount of skill to become an empath who can sleep someone without falling asleep. It took me a lot of training to be able to do it, it'd feel like a slap in the face if it were taken away. You wouldn't like it if your sniping ability was taken away, would you?
There are many ways to avoid a situation like this:
-Turn on avoid drag.
-Train the appropriate stats to pass the skill check.
-If you're in a conflict with an empath who HLs you and is prepping NB, kill them.
-Don't tick off an empath with NB. :D
-player of Quanette
PS - Purehead your posts are always articulate, intelligent, and above all hysterical. Please keep up the good work.
It takes a pretty decent amount of skill to become an empath who can sleep someone without falling asleep. It took me a lot of training to be able to do it, it'd feel like a slap in the face if it were taken away. You wouldn't like it if your sniping ability was taken away, would you?
There are many ways to avoid a situation like this:
-Turn on avoid drag.
-Train the appropriate stats to pass the skill check.
-If you're in a conflict with an empath who HLs you and is prepping NB, kill them.
-Don't tick off an empath with NB. :D
-player of Quanette
PS - Purehead your posts are always articulate, intelligent, and above all hysterical. Please keep up the good work.
