When, oh when will I be able to perceive NPCs? Being a newb Empath in TF really really really bites...

I'm gettin other Empaths but not all the time with 24 empathy, 27 PP. Can give other relavent skills if necessary.

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When is Wayne Brady gonna get to fly??


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80 empathy
70 PP

I see non-empath PC/NPCs around half the time, closer to 75%+ if I'm relatively wound free.


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I was sitting in the guild, and perceived health, and saw the room to the east! First time it has happened, so I thought I would post the pertinent skills, just to see if this is the change between one room and two:

Empathy: 122
PP: 69
And the latest big change
Overall Lore: 402

I think it might be overall lore, that was the first PH I did after getting to 400 overall. I haven't done it again, but I must be close!

-Davidovf

Ahh, never heard of the theory on when it happened. Makes sense though, cause I am nearing 200 combined! Heh, thanks!

-Davidovf

Around 10th


~Arwinia

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Its not a circle based thing, I think it works off of PP. 60 ranks to start?

Technically speaking, the ability's available right off the bat as soon as you join. You apparently need either at least 20 ranks in at least Empathy if not also PP, or at least a combination of the two approaching 40 ranks. "Occasional success" is not going to be in your Perc Health vocabulary until much later, however, so don't be expecting to lock with it until at least 10-15th and probably much later.

J'Lo, no that other one
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Yea it only takes a tiny bit of patience and persistance to lock it. I locked it easy several times. And actually looking on it now, I think it should have been set much much higher - should be something of a luxury for more experienced empaths and not those of low circles.. I'm talking any empath below .. say.. circle 30? Maybe higher? Considering I'm locking it so easy I could gain in circles quickly now without actually healing anybody... and that doesn't sound natural for a 4th circler. IMO.

Oh, don't worry. I'm a stickler for magic training too...but I prefer Innocence/GoL for training.

Regardless, I force myself to make PP my primary magic skill because I <3 mana.

-Initiate Empath Clemency Apollonia, a Prydaen Empath

>and the first thing that came to mind afterwards is 'you know, I really didn't have to heal you'

Soon you will know the true power.... OF THE DARK SIDE.


~Purehand

<Its not a circle based thing, I think it works off of PP. 60 ranks to start?>

you're mostly correct. it's based off empathy AND pp skill. VERY approximately 50 ranks each and you can start detecting fellow empaths and as you work towards 150 ranks each you will start detecting npcs and non empaths. at about 150 you will start getting adjacent rooms and every 100 ranks or so, you can detect another room away starting with fellow empaths, npcs, and other players per room.

pp determines how far away you can detect, empathy determines WHAT you can detect (or so it seems to me). note the disclaimer (or so it seems to me).


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When does Perceive Health start working for me? I've only about 65 in empathy. Do other skills count in my ability to learn empathy from perceive health?

Power Perception also matters. There's data on Elanthipedia, but my personal experiences were:

Empath, Same Room: ~50 PP / Empathy

Non-Empath, Same Room: Started sporradically at 65ish, but needed 100 to get it consistently. (Empathy and PP)
This was the same for me for non-Empaths, shopkeepers, creatures, and what have you.

Empath, Next Room: ~ 125 (Empathy and PP)

Non-Empath, Next Room: 150-175 (Empathy and PP)

I've started sensing fellow Empaths 2 rooms away at 200 Empathy. Possible I could do it before and only just started noticing it recently. I wish I'd kept better notes, but I'm almost positive that you need about 100 empathy to consistently sense non-Empaths in the same room.

-- Player of Szrael --

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Skills Needed for Kaith Partani
Need 294 (500) Empathy.
Have at least 200 in #1 Armor (Light Chain).
Have at least 240 Evasion.
Have at least 160 Shield Usage.

IIRC?

>>When does Perceive Health start working for me? I've only about 65 in empathy. Do other skills count in my ability to learn empathy from perceive health?

Because of a recent discussion on the plat boards by the player of Asbhuan/Ashbuan/etc (table said he should see FeatX but his empath character wasn't seeing it yet), I started up a second test empath to travel the empathy-only aspect and I found I only needed roughly half the amount as listed on Elanthipedia. Here's the new table with only my own data included:

feat*	*PP*	*empathy
empath same room	50 - empathy	25 - (PP * 2)
non-empath same room	100 - empathy	test not complete (I'm assuming 50 - (PP * 2))

1)the 25/50/100/etc that starts out each cell is the number of ranks in that one skill (ie, "50 - empathy" = "50 PP ranks - empathy ranks", so with 4 ranks of empathy you effectively only need 46 ranks of PP)

2)Empath 1 saw Feat1 at the 46 PP/4 empathy mark, Feat2 at the 96 PP/4 empathy mark (due to procedural mistakes, empathy ranks increased but the relationship stayed the same throughout all testing)

3)Empath 2 saw Feat1 at the 2 PP/21 empathy mark, hasn't seen Feat2 yet

4)No other empath rank numbers have been processed yet, though everything beyond these two feats is based on nothing but other-player empath rank numbers as posted by their respective players on play.net forums (as in, posted in earlier discussions about Perceive Health)

DISCLAIMER: THIS POSTER IS NOT A MEMBER OF STAFF AND HIS INFORMATION IS/MIGHT BE WRONG.

Szrael first sensed non-Empaths in the same room with 60 PP, 63 Empathy and 13 Charisma.

It was very inconsistent though, and would only happen in one out of many, many tries. (Like 20 or so). It became more and more consistent from there, with the ability to sense non-Empaths in the same room almost every time at about 100 ranks in each.

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Skills Needed for Kaith Partani
Need 293 (500) Empathy.
Have at least 200 in #1 Armor (Light Chain).
Have at least 240 Evasion.
Have at least 160 Shield Usage.

182 empathy, 138 pp, charisma 22, intel 24, wis 27, disc 14
all the time
empaths in room
non-empaths in room
empaths 1-room away

It's not just an on-off switch though:

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>per heal
You close your eyes, drawing all your thoughts inward, and then slowly reach out to sense the life essences of those around you...

You fail to sense anything, however.
Roundtime: 6 seconds

(cast gs)

>per heal
You close your eyes, drawing all your thoughts inward, and then slowly reach out to sense the life essences of those around you...

You sense:
A relatively healthy presence nearby.
You sense (E) from your current position:
The presence of an air elemental.
Roundtime: 9 seconds

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To confirm this was not just a bonus of gs...
>per heal
You close your eyes, drawing all your thoughts inward, and then slowly reach out to sense the life essences of those around you...

You fail to sense anything, however.
Roundtime: 6 seconds

(move rooms)

You close your eyes, drawing all your thoughts inward, and then slowly reach out to sense the life essences of those around you...

You sense:
The presence of K'miriel Lystrandoniel, a fellow Empath.
Roundtime: 9 seconds

>per heal
You close your eyes, drawing all your thoughts inward, and then slowly reach out to sense the life essences of those around you...

You sense:
The presence of K'miriel Lystrandoniel, a fellow Empath.
A relatively healthy presence nearby.
Roundtime: 6 seconds
R>
A pure white alfar avenger scratches his neck and looks around with a distinctive lack of paranoia.
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A pure white alfar avenger scratches his neck and looks around with a distinctive lack of paranoia.
>per heal
You close your eyes, drawing all your thoughts inward, and then slowly reach out to sense the life essences of those around you...

You sense:
The presence of K'miriel Lystrandoniel, a fellow Empath.
A relatively healthy presence nearby.
You sense (W) from your current position:
The presence of an air elemental.
Roundtime: 8 seconds

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I don't think charisma is a factor. Pretty sure mentals are though.

>>I've not gotten over 6 rooms away but I still need like 160 empathy for 150, anyone gotten more?

Caped at 6 I belive. System resources issue.

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So would the leading contender as the other factor lean toward concentration then?

I'll dump TDPs into E3 to boost his concentration and see if that makes a difference. Either way it certainly can't hurt him.

Asbhuan