>>I fail to call a gen of one rat a hunting area, sorry. Can always rely on you to split hairs though, once again you deliver.
So? Real is real, even if you don't care to acknowledge it.
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Re: What _is_ an adequate tip? on 10/08/2006 10:55 PM CDT
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip? on 10/09/2006 06:25 AM CDT
<<backtraining a tertiary skill so I can tip Empaths will be excruciatingly dull.>>
Or spend 15 minutes killing everything you can in an area with something you CAN skin? I assure you, most empaths aren't going anywhere in 15 minutes with wounds after healing someone, especially if they're expecting skins.
<<And, as we all know, every Empath that heals "you" is a young Empath who can only make money from healing, takes forty-five minutes to heal up from each person she (always a she, too) heals, and would NEVER even think of leaving those invisible internals. There are no Empaths out there who broke the bank Shifting people, or buying and selling items, or any other way.>>
And, as I know, I'm a 45th circle empath and I take 12-15 minutes healing myself in a decent mana area after healing someone head to toe. I've timed myself on this, and it averages that. It also burns about 600 mana, using HW and HS.
Expecting a tip isn't rude, it's customary, being an ass to the person's face about not getting tipped is also rude. Not tipping is also rude.
<<Leeches are not a valid option for non-empaths.>>
Why not? What makes them not a valid option and bleeders a valid option? Disease?
Or spend 15 minutes killing everything you can in an area with something you CAN skin? I assure you, most empaths aren't going anywhere in 15 minutes with wounds after healing someone, especially if they're expecting skins.
<<And, as we all know, every Empath that heals "you" is a young Empath who can only make money from healing, takes forty-five minutes to heal up from each person she (always a she, too) heals, and would NEVER even think of leaving those invisible internals. There are no Empaths out there who broke the bank Shifting people, or buying and selling items, or any other way.>>
And, as I know, I'm a 45th circle empath and I take 12-15 minutes healing myself in a decent mana area after healing someone head to toe. I've timed myself on this, and it averages that. It also burns about 600 mana, using HW and HS.
Expecting a tip isn't rude, it's customary, being an ass to the person's face about not getting tipped is also rude. Not tipping is also rude.
<<Leeches are not a valid option for non-empaths.>>
Why not? What makes them not a valid option and bleeders a valid option? Disease?
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip? on 10/09/2006 07:11 AM CDT
>Why not? What makes them not a valid option and bleeders a valid option? Disease?
Yes, that is one reason. Under 100 first aid, 30 stamina, I can keep a bleeder for a few days before getting an infection. Leeches I'm lucky to lock FA before getting disease, and the disease from leeches is much more severe than the occasional gangrene from bleeders.
Second, a character can learn FA from a bleeder and only tend with minimal roundtime once every 15 minutes or so. For the remainder of that 15 minutes they gain FA experience and can resume their other training methods (foraging, climbing, opening boxes, training magic, hunting, etc). Compare to leeches... only available in one area of the entire world (before you mention bloodworms they cap very early and don't spawn worth beans), completely gen dependent, and no other training done while learning FA from leeches.
For FA bleeders aren't only the clear winner, they are the only one in the race. The only reason leeches are a valid training option of FA for empaths or rangers is because of the secondary skill being learned (Animal Lore/Empathy), not the first aid learning.
Thrall of Dergati,
Heroiklim Zortal
Take these chances
Place them in a box until a quieter time
Lights down, you up and die
Yes, that is one reason. Under 100 first aid, 30 stamina, I can keep a bleeder for a few days before getting an infection. Leeches I'm lucky to lock FA before getting disease, and the disease from leeches is much more severe than the occasional gangrene from bleeders.
Second, a character can learn FA from a bleeder and only tend with minimal roundtime once every 15 minutes or so. For the remainder of that 15 minutes they gain FA experience and can resume their other training methods (foraging, climbing, opening boxes, training magic, hunting, etc). Compare to leeches... only available in one area of the entire world (before you mention bloodworms they cap very early and don't spawn worth beans), completely gen dependent, and no other training done while learning FA from leeches.
For FA bleeders aren't only the clear winner, they are the only one in the race. The only reason leeches are a valid training option of FA for empaths or rangers is because of the secondary skill being learned (Animal Lore/Empathy), not the first aid learning.
Thrall of Dergati,
Heroiklim Zortal
Take these chances
Place them in a box until a quieter time
Lights down, you up and die
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip? on 10/09/2006 08:43 AM CDT
>Instead, there is a tipping system set in place wherein the customer chooses how to reimburse the Empath. However, expecting a tip is rude.
See, maybe we ought to just stop calling it "tipping", maybe it ought to be considered compensation. Maybe you ought to tip at least one gold regardless, that would be their compensation. Anything above and beyond that is considered their "tip". I mean, if someone is going to use the waitress analogy you forget to mention that the waitress also gets a base pay and will make at least minimum wage without those tips. Empaths don't even have that.
>Expecting a tip isn't rude, it's customary, being an ass to the person's face about not getting tipped is also rude. Not tipping is also rude.
See, I disagree. I have seen alot of rude people in the empath's guild. While people say it's considered "rude" to demand a healing you still see alot of people demanding healing. Those are usually the ones who don't tip I've found. So therefore I don't consider it rude for an empath to say something to someone about not getting tipped. My only problem is I wish more empaths would stand up for themselves when it comes to the whole tipping thing. I don't mean for them to say something when all they are offered are several diops or topazes but when they are offered absolutely nothing for healing someone wearing hundreds of plats. When I played an empath it took me awhile to find my backbone over that and I simply began refusing to heal people and verbally stating that I wouldn't heal them BECAUSE they never tip. Honestly...the thiefs have their locksmith union, maybe the empaths need a tipping union?
River
Curiousity killed the cat....but satisfaction brought him back.
See, maybe we ought to just stop calling it "tipping", maybe it ought to be considered compensation. Maybe you ought to tip at least one gold regardless, that would be their compensation. Anything above and beyond that is considered their "tip". I mean, if someone is going to use the waitress analogy you forget to mention that the waitress also gets a base pay and will make at least minimum wage without those tips. Empaths don't even have that.
>Expecting a tip isn't rude, it's customary, being an ass to the person's face about not getting tipped is also rude. Not tipping is also rude.
See, I disagree. I have seen alot of rude people in the empath's guild. While people say it's considered "rude" to demand a healing you still see alot of people demanding healing. Those are usually the ones who don't tip I've found. So therefore I don't consider it rude for an empath to say something to someone about not getting tipped. My only problem is I wish more empaths would stand up for themselves when it comes to the whole tipping thing. I don't mean for them to say something when all they are offered are several diops or topazes but when they are offered absolutely nothing for healing someone wearing hundreds of plats. When I played an empath it took me awhile to find my backbone over that and I simply began refusing to heal people and verbally stating that I wouldn't heal them BECAUSE they never tip. Honestly...the thiefs have their locksmith union, maybe the empaths need a tipping union?
River
Curiousity killed the cat....but satisfaction brought him back.
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip? on 10/09/2006 09:15 AM CDT
If the money/gems are really that important to you, then make your healing contingent upon payment of a named price in advance. Charge.
I'm betting that doesn't taste very good, however, and you'll encounter few clients who will go for it; there's a cultural bias against charging outright for healing on the grounds that we're supposed to be doing this "out of the kindness of our hearts".
Fiddle faddle. With few rare exceptions, I never heal anyone who's not either dying or sleeping on my property.
Those of you who DO choose to heal, or are still being forced into it by your relative placement in the guild, ultimately have chosen a profession where your economic growth is entirely dependent upon the goodwill of your clientele. Until there is some method of standardization and a resolution in place for the cultural bias against an outright and specific charge for healing, this is going to be an issue.
So. For the third time, I suggest making it a non-issue; if you've really got a problem about making money, then you're in the wrong business, although frankly, despite the fact that our guild is riddled with folk who wouldn't know a decent bedside manner if it stuck them between the eyes, I don't see all that many of us walking about destitute and starving.
Also: on a more practical note, if you just have to be a healing empath, and you're concerned about cash flow, get the heck out of the Crossing. Practically anywhere else is going to be better in terms of ratio of tippage to healing, and it makes perfect IC sense to base a move on the economy, if you're an economy-minded individual.
I'm betting that doesn't taste very good, however, and you'll encounter few clients who will go for it; there's a cultural bias against charging outright for healing on the grounds that we're supposed to be doing this "out of the kindness of our hearts".
Fiddle faddle. With few rare exceptions, I never heal anyone who's not either dying or sleeping on my property.
Those of you who DO choose to heal, or are still being forced into it by your relative placement in the guild, ultimately have chosen a profession where your economic growth is entirely dependent upon the goodwill of your clientele. Until there is some method of standardization and a resolution in place for the cultural bias against an outright and specific charge for healing, this is going to be an issue.
So. For the third time, I suggest making it a non-issue; if you've really got a problem about making money, then you're in the wrong business, although frankly, despite the fact that our guild is riddled with folk who wouldn't know a decent bedside manner if it stuck them between the eyes, I don't see all that many of us walking about destitute and starving.
Also: on a more practical note, if you just have to be a healing empath, and you're concerned about cash flow, get the heck out of the Crossing. Practically anywhere else is going to be better in terms of ratio of tippage to healing, and it makes perfect IC sense to base a move on the economy, if you're an economy-minded individual.
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip?/FA stuff on 10/09/2006 09:15 AM CDT
> Also, as an aside, what is UP with people asking other folk to hurt them just so they can tend the wound and learn FA? Who're you trying to kid? Nobody in their right mind is going to make that kind of request IC; I am sick to death of witnessing it in one form or another
When you can tell me who in their right mind would decide "I would rather have my skull cracked open, a shattered spinal cord, and broken legs than this patient for a small diopside" and commence healing them, I will tell you why someone would wish to be cut or bleed. I don't know about you, but if someone came in and asked me to take the brunt of a beating for them, most days I would say no. On the other hand, Raudhan would be more inclined to. Some things in this game don't make sense, but are done because the skill is needed for circling. Why do people insist on it making sense? We run around all day casting spells and doing paranormal things, yet wanting a bleeder is out of the ordinary?? I have 250 ranks in first aid, and I have bleeders on me constantly...because I need to train it and it is useful for Raudhan to know. If you expect me to get 250 ranks via leeches, I would be sitting in a swamp all my days, and then even that does not make much sense.
Renegade Empath Raudhan just arrived.
A cutthroat gasps, "I can't get UP!"
You begin to lecture Reexa on the proper use of the brawling skill.
You cackle!
You strike a heroic pose.
When you can tell me who in their right mind would decide "I would rather have my skull cracked open, a shattered spinal cord, and broken legs than this patient for a small diopside" and commence healing them, I will tell you why someone would wish to be cut or bleed. I don't know about you, but if someone came in and asked me to take the brunt of a beating for them, most days I would say no. On the other hand, Raudhan would be more inclined to. Some things in this game don't make sense, but are done because the skill is needed for circling. Why do people insist on it making sense? We run around all day casting spells and doing paranormal things, yet wanting a bleeder is out of the ordinary?? I have 250 ranks in first aid, and I have bleeders on me constantly...because I need to train it and it is useful for Raudhan to know. If you expect me to get 250 ranks via leeches, I would be sitting in a swamp all my days, and then even that does not make much sense.
Renegade Empath Raudhan just arrived.
A cutthroat gasps, "I can't get UP!"
You begin to lecture Reexa on the proper use of the brawling skill.
You cackle!
You strike a heroic pose.
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip?/FA stuff on 10/09/2006 09:29 AM CDT
> When you can tell me who in their right mind would
> decide "I would rather have my skull cracked open, a
> shattered spinal cord, and broken legs than this
> patient for a small diopside" and commence healing
> them, I will tell you why someone would wish to be cut
> or bleed.
An excellent point, and one that deserves thoughtful consideration. We're just as guilty as the other guilds of stomping about with splintered legs and arms hanging uselessly at our sides while our intestines erupt from various gashes, etc.. all the time giggling and cracking open nuts like nothing's wrong at all. Absolutely, this is a roleplaying issue which exists across the board, regardless of guild affiliation, although we empaths are the worst of the lot; we've by far got the most opportunity to achieve such states of disrepair, and I've never EVER understood why someone would allow themselves to get like that.
Which is why, I imagine, in my early days in the guild, I had a number of clientele just walk out on me - I was moving too slowly for their tastes. Well. EXCUSE me if I want to maintain my own health.
> I don't know about you, but if someone came in and
> asked me to take the brunt of a beating for them,
> most days I would say no.
I concur fully. Career healers baffle me but good. Once I finished my internship in the Healerie, I got the heck OUT. Healing is for folk who are still paying their dues, or who have some idea of how to make it pay off. In my case, neither condition applies; if I'm in the Healerie, I'm either teaching or attending class, and my healing activity in large part extends to keeping corpses from piling up on the floor in there by donating vitality until some poor schnook who's still got to work for a living can get to them.
> decide "I would rather have my skull cracked open, a
> shattered spinal cord, and broken legs than this
> patient for a small diopside" and commence healing
> them, I will tell you why someone would wish to be cut
> or bleed.
An excellent point, and one that deserves thoughtful consideration. We're just as guilty as the other guilds of stomping about with splintered legs and arms hanging uselessly at our sides while our intestines erupt from various gashes, etc.. all the time giggling and cracking open nuts like nothing's wrong at all. Absolutely, this is a roleplaying issue which exists across the board, regardless of guild affiliation, although we empaths are the worst of the lot; we've by far got the most opportunity to achieve such states of disrepair, and I've never EVER understood why someone would allow themselves to get like that.
Which is why, I imagine, in my early days in the guild, I had a number of clientele just walk out on me - I was moving too slowly for their tastes. Well. EXCUSE me if I want to maintain my own health.
> I don't know about you, but if someone came in and
> asked me to take the brunt of a beating for them,
> most days I would say no.
I concur fully. Career healers baffle me but good. Once I finished my internship in the Healerie, I got the heck OUT. Healing is for folk who are still paying their dues, or who have some idea of how to make it pay off. In my case, neither condition applies; if I'm in the Healerie, I'm either teaching or attending class, and my healing activity in large part extends to keeping corpses from piling up on the floor in there by donating vitality until some poor schnook who's still got to work for a living can get to them.
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip? on 10/09/2006 04:23 PM CDT
>>the waitress also gets a base pay and will make at least minimum wage without those tips.
Actually, waitstaff get about 2-2.50 an hour for base pay, thats "server minimum wage" so those tips are pretty much their income. The pay check will probably pay their taxes (as long as their declaring anything) and maybe put some gas in their car, thats about it. And personally when I play my empath, I don't heal people who haven't PAID me three times, if they don't once they get a green highlight, twice is yellow, three times is red. After that I politely tell them they owe me for three healings and as soon as they settle their account I'd be happy to heal them. Usually works too.
Megan
Actually, waitstaff get about 2-2.50 an hour for base pay, thats "server minimum wage" so those tips are pretty much their income. The pay check will probably pay their taxes (as long as their declaring anything) and maybe put some gas in their car, thats about it. And personally when I play my empath, I don't heal people who haven't PAID me three times, if they don't once they get a green highlight, twice is yellow, three times is red. After that I politely tell them they owe me for three healings and as soon as they settle their account I'd be happy to heal them. Usually works too.
Megan
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip? on 10/09/2006 04:32 PM CDT
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip? on 10/09/2006 04:39 PM CDT
No SERVER minimum wage! Or regular minimum wage just went up to 6.95 but those tips are officially included in a servers income so depending on what the restaurant claims as their avererage tips per week would equal out to is how much the servers get paid, some places can go as high as 4/hour or so being nice but most (for servers) don't go higher than that.
TIPS ARE INCOME, NOT JUST GENEROSITY!!!!
Megan
TIPS ARE INCOME, NOT JUST GENEROSITY!!!!
Megan
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip? on 10/09/2006 05:01 PM CDT
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip? on 10/09/2006 05:07 PM CDT
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip?/FA stuff on 10/09/2006 06:03 PM CDT
<<Having another player intentionally wound you so you can have a bleeder is, however, expressly against policy.>>
Classes as stated by someone else, is a viable solution. But it is impractical. Wounding yourself is difficult as well, you can visit a critter, but the chances of getting more than you can handle is pretty good. And you can't injure yourself unless you lick your sword. Which is untendable.
flails
(Running out of suggestions)
Gahlron Dragon'Claws
Ranger
~Mors ante dedecum
Nihil ante coffeum~
Classes as stated by someone else, is a viable solution. But it is impractical. Wounding yourself is difficult as well, you can visit a critter, but the chances of getting more than you can handle is pretty good. And you can't injure yourself unless you lick your sword. Which is untendable.
flails
(Running out of suggestions)
Gahlron Dragon'Claws
Ranger
~Mors ante dedecum
Nihil ante coffeum~
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip?/FA stuff on 10/09/2006 06:12 PM CDT
Well, you COULD jump off that rope bridge. Doesn't that give you a head bleeder, at least if you do it enough times? Of course, you also get a huge stun and you wind up in a ring of giggling red leucros pointing at you and shouting "YOU'RE NEXT!"...and ghosts can't tend anything.
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Re: What _is_ an adequate tip?/FA stuff on 10/09/2006 08:07 PM CDT
Unfortunately I'm going to have to agree with Arwinina much as I hate it. I've worked in restaraunts and waitresses got minimum wage plus tips. Minimum wage here is whatever federal minimum wage is. It may be different in states with higher state minimum wage like Washington which I think is near 8 bucks an hour now IIRC. Though I do like your way of thinking with the different colored highlights and three strikes you're out until you pay me.
>>TIPS ARE INCOME, NOT JUST GENEROSITY!!!!
Hrm....income would be base pay in my book. Tips are more for a job done well, professionally and quickly. If we're still going to use a waitress as an example look at it this way. You get an income (face it, money of any sort is considered income.) then you get your tips. If you sit there listening to someone ask for soda for 20 minutes and ignore them you probably aren't going to be getting a good tip. If someone asks for healing and you provide them with quick speedy service they'll probably tip you far better.
The exception to this rule in my book are the younger empaths who really have no other way of earning money in Elanthia. When I get a younger empath working on me who is constantly apologizing for how slow she is I tend to tell her not to sweat since I've played an empath as my main before. I know how much it sucks the first few circles trying to find a patient patient. (No pun intended.) Then I proceed to give them one of my bigger tipping pouches because I know how many people will get impatient and walk out with a thank you or a tip. To those people; SHAME ON YOU! We were all young at one point or other unless you bought your character.
The whole debate at this point is silly, people will tip what they want to tip regardless unless empaths themselves stand up to those people. When I played an empath and I saw people leave without tipping, whether it was me or someone else, they would immeadiatly go on my black list. If they needed healing and I was the only one in the guild I'd seriously debate whether or not to heal them and if I did and they didn't tip I'd say something. End Rant.
River
Curiousity killed the cat....but satisfaction brought him back.
>>TIPS ARE INCOME, NOT JUST GENEROSITY!!!!
Hrm....income would be base pay in my book. Tips are more for a job done well, professionally and quickly. If we're still going to use a waitress as an example look at it this way. You get an income (face it, money of any sort is considered income.) then you get your tips. If you sit there listening to someone ask for soda for 20 minutes and ignore them you probably aren't going to be getting a good tip. If someone asks for healing and you provide them with quick speedy service they'll probably tip you far better.
The exception to this rule in my book are the younger empaths who really have no other way of earning money in Elanthia. When I get a younger empath working on me who is constantly apologizing for how slow she is I tend to tell her not to sweat since I've played an empath as my main before. I know how much it sucks the first few circles trying to find a patient patient. (No pun intended.) Then I proceed to give them one of my bigger tipping pouches because I know how many people will get impatient and walk out with a thank you or a tip. To those people; SHAME ON YOU! We were all young at one point or other unless you bought your character.
The whole debate at this point is silly, people will tip what they want to tip regardless unless empaths themselves stand up to those people. When I played an empath and I saw people leave without tipping, whether it was me or someone else, they would immeadiatly go on my black list. If they needed healing and I was the only one in the guild I'd seriously debate whether or not to heal them and if I did and they didn't tip I'd say something. End Rant.
River
Curiousity killed the cat....but satisfaction brought him back.
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip?/FA stuff on 10/09/2006 08:16 PM CDT
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip?/FA stuff on 10/09/2006 08:49 PM CDT
Minimum wage is handled by the states. The federal minimum wage is just a minimum under which wages generally cannot fall.
Tipped employees must be compensated by their employer at $2.13 an hour as long as their wage plus tips equal the federally or state mandated minimum wage (whichever is higher). There are 17 states that have a minimum wage higher than the federal minimum wage, so tipped employees generally gain the benefit of those minimum earning thresholds.
Beyond that each state can set a different minimum tipped employee cash wage minimum. Some states have higher tipped employee wage requirements that would enforce employers to pay their waiters etc more than 2.13 an hour in addition to their tips. There are a couple of states that require minimum cash wages in the $7+ dollar range.
There is at least one state that I can think of that has no tip credit or minimum cash wage requirement and it's employers are not required by law to pay their employees anything as long as their tips meet the minimum wage. It doesn't happen in practice though.
Some states also break down the minimum by industry.
A good tip is a gold or more. Thanks for listening.
~Purehand
Tipped employees must be compensated by their employer at $2.13 an hour as long as their wage plus tips equal the federally or state mandated minimum wage (whichever is higher). There are 17 states that have a minimum wage higher than the federal minimum wage, so tipped employees generally gain the benefit of those minimum earning thresholds.
Beyond that each state can set a different minimum tipped employee cash wage minimum. Some states have higher tipped employee wage requirements that would enforce employers to pay their waiters etc more than 2.13 an hour in addition to their tips. There are a couple of states that require minimum cash wages in the $7+ dollar range.
There is at least one state that I can think of that has no tip credit or minimum cash wage requirement and it's employers are not required by law to pay their employees anything as long as their tips meet the minimum wage. It doesn't happen in practice though.
Some states also break down the minimum by industry.
A good tip is a gold or more. Thanks for listening.
~Purehand
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip? on 10/10/2006 02:14 AM CDT
<<Heroiklim's post>>
Try the blood mites west of Leth towards Ilaya Tapia? Not only do you get first aid at a pretty good clip, 100+ ranks, but going back and forth over the mud gets escaping moving pretty well at 34 ranks. Just watch out if they get in your eyes, that can be messy.
And the Empathy I get from tending mites has been trivial, as has been the animal lore as far as I can tell, I'm not sure how much Empathy I got, but in about 30 minutes I went from 8.something ranks of Animal Lore to 9.65 now at clear, I haven't been back in awhile. I went there for escaping training, not blood mite tending. As for disease, I can't understand why you feel flesh rot is worse than gangrene. Gangrene NEVER leaves you until you get it taken or you have your wounds and scars all healed, and if you have lots of scratches and scars you're going to be hurting and dead soon. Flesh rot eventually pulses out like poison, if I wasn't an empath and couldn't find one, I'd take the one I could get through, eventually. Besides, the mites will eventually start a bleed. Win win and win all the way around.
Try the blood mites west of Leth towards Ilaya Tapia? Not only do you get first aid at a pretty good clip, 100+ ranks, but going back and forth over the mud gets escaping moving pretty well at 34 ranks. Just watch out if they get in your eyes, that can be messy.
And the Empathy I get from tending mites has been trivial, as has been the animal lore as far as I can tell, I'm not sure how much Empathy I got, but in about 30 minutes I went from 8.something ranks of Animal Lore to 9.65 now at clear, I haven't been back in awhile. I went there for escaping training, not blood mite tending. As for disease, I can't understand why you feel flesh rot is worse than gangrene. Gangrene NEVER leaves you until you get it taken or you have your wounds and scars all healed, and if you have lots of scratches and scars you're going to be hurting and dead soon. Flesh rot eventually pulses out like poison, if I wasn't an empath and couldn't find one, I'd take the one I could get through, eventually. Besides, the mites will eventually start a bleed. Win win and win all the way around.
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip?/FA stuff on 10/10/2006 08:44 AM CDT
yeah, what Purehand said.
Tipped employees have a much lower minimum wage. In my experience, between $2.15 and $2.90 per hour. If said employee then makes tips that only bring their hourly wage up to $5.00, the employer must step in and fix the discrepancy by paying the employee the standard minimum wage per hour they worked. And remember...living wage and minimum wage are two very different things.
Oh and next time you don't tip a bartender, keep in mind that while most nights they have really good nights, most bartenders are paid a flat "shift pay" of $20.00 - at least in big cities. Be nice to these peeps - they will most likely be nice to you back.
Renegade Empath Raudhan just arrived.
A cutthroat gasps, "I can't get UP!"
You begin to lecture Reexa on the proper use of the brawling skill.
You cackle!
You strike a heroic pose.
Tipped employees have a much lower minimum wage. In my experience, between $2.15 and $2.90 per hour. If said employee then makes tips that only bring their hourly wage up to $5.00, the employer must step in and fix the discrepancy by paying the employee the standard minimum wage per hour they worked. And remember...living wage and minimum wage are two very different things.
Oh and next time you don't tip a bartender, keep in mind that while most nights they have really good nights, most bartenders are paid a flat "shift pay" of $20.00 - at least in big cities. Be nice to these peeps - they will most likely be nice to you back.
Renegade Empath Raudhan just arrived.
A cutthroat gasps, "I can't get UP!"
You begin to lecture Reexa on the proper use of the brawling skill.
You cackle!
You strike a heroic pose.
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip?/FA stuff on 10/10/2006 08:48 AM CDT
>>Oh and next time you don't tip a bartender, keep in mind that while most nights they have really good nights, most bartenders are paid a flat "shift pay" of $20.00 - at least in big cities. Be nice to these peeps - they will most likely be nice to you back.
No, they'll end up cutting you off for singing along to nirvana very off-key.
River
Curiousity killed the cat....but satisfaction brought him back.
No, they'll end up cutting you off for singing along to nirvana very off-key.
River
Curiousity killed the cat....but satisfaction brought him back.
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip?/FA stuff on 10/10/2006 09:20 AM CDT
Purehand shoots, HE SCORES!!!!
and by the way... he's 100% right. Also DR being not federally mandated for empath compensation we can either get legislation passed or come to an agreement on our own.
I suggest a minimum wage be payed by the empath guild for time spent healing equal to 1 gold per hour per circle for living expenses and herbs. To receive pay the empath must be a citizen of the provence and pay the applicable taxes, attend empath union meetings and pay union dues. Gratuity will be assigned to the bill for patrons at a rate of 2 gold minimum for wounds of bleeding or greater to meet the average income of 3 gold per hour of work (15 seconds to heal, 59 minutes 45 seconds of repairing the damaged caused to the empath [avg]) Patrons unable or unwilling to produce tips, while frowned upon, will not be chastised but could possibly receive poor service in the future. Patrons exceeding the 2 gold minimum can likely expect even better service in the future up to, but not limited to instant heals, priority service, and fawning over by empaths.
The Elanthian Drug Administration (EDA) warns that taking prescription medicines such as cebi root while on an empathic regimen could cause possible side effects such as: bleeding ulcers, kidney failure, renal failure, asthma, headaches, nausia, painful muscle cramps, or in extreme cases, death. Please talk to your Empath before taking Cebi root if you are prone to high blood pressure, are pregnant, nursing, or may become pregnant. Cebi may not be for everyone and it's always best to talk to your empath before starting a new excersise routine.
Warning: Empathic healing may cause wound loss, muscle gain, shortening of the purse strings, and possibly a temporary lightening of the gem pouch followed by an immediate influx of new wealth from the nearest Ogre.
~Souv~
and by the way... he's 100% right. Also DR being not federally mandated for empath compensation we can either get legislation passed or come to an agreement on our own.
I suggest a minimum wage be payed by the empath guild for time spent healing equal to 1 gold per hour per circle for living expenses and herbs. To receive pay the empath must be a citizen of the provence and pay the applicable taxes, attend empath union meetings and pay union dues. Gratuity will be assigned to the bill for patrons at a rate of 2 gold minimum for wounds of bleeding or greater to meet the average income of 3 gold per hour of work (15 seconds to heal, 59 minutes 45 seconds of repairing the damaged caused to the empath [avg]) Patrons unable or unwilling to produce tips, while frowned upon, will not be chastised but could possibly receive poor service in the future. Patrons exceeding the 2 gold minimum can likely expect even better service in the future up to, but not limited to instant heals, priority service, and fawning over by empaths.
The Elanthian Drug Administration (EDA) warns that taking prescription medicines such as cebi root while on an empathic regimen could cause possible side effects such as: bleeding ulcers, kidney failure, renal failure, asthma, headaches, nausia, painful muscle cramps, or in extreme cases, death. Please talk to your Empath before taking Cebi root if you are prone to high blood pressure, are pregnant, nursing, or may become pregnant. Cebi may not be for everyone and it's always best to talk to your empath before starting a new excersise routine.
Warning: Empathic healing may cause wound loss, muscle gain, shortening of the purse strings, and possibly a temporary lightening of the gem pouch followed by an immediate influx of new wealth from the nearest Ogre.
~Souv~
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip?/FA stuff on 10/10/2006 09:41 AM CDT
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip? on 10/10/2006 02:51 PM CDT
>Try the blood mites west of Leth towards Ilaya Tapia? Not only do you get first aid at a pretty good clip, 100+ ranks, but going back and forth over the mud gets escaping moving pretty well at 34 ranks. Just watch out if they get in your eyes, that can be messy.
Nope, haven't tried the mites, as I haven't left the islands since the new province opened. Hero's annual pilgrimage is about to begin now that winter is here, so I'll likely check the new area out in a week or so.
>And the Empathy I get from tending mites has been trivial, as has been the animal lore as far as I can tell, I'm not sure how much Empathy I got, but in about 30 minutes I went from 8.something ranks of Animal Lore to 9.65 now at clear, I haven't been back in awhile. I went there for escaping training, not blood mite tending. As for disease, I can't understand why you feel flesh rot is worse than gangrene. Gangrene NEVER leaves you until you get it taken or you have your wounds and scars all healed, and if you have lots of scratches and scars you're going to be hurting and dead soon. Flesh rot eventually pulses out like poison, if I wasn't an empath and couldn't find one, I'd take the one I could get through, eventually. Besides, the mites will eventually start a bleed. Win win and win all the way around.
Empathy/Animal lore - sounds like either the gen is slow or the mites cap low. How many ranks of FA do you have, and were you able to get first aid locked and keep it there without any problems?
Escaping - How much escaping to start, and what's the soft cap?
Flesh rot VS gangrene - Flesh rot does pulse like poison, but unlike poison each pulse is steadily stronger and lasts much longer than any poison I've ever had. Even with 30 stamina I've never been able to outlast a leech/bloodworm induced fleshrot. Gangrene on the other hand I rarely get an empath for, I just let it go away on its own.
Thrall of Dergati,
Heroiklim Zortal
Take these chances
Place them in a box until a quieter time
Lights down, you up and die
Nope, haven't tried the mites, as I haven't left the islands since the new province opened. Hero's annual pilgrimage is about to begin now that winter is here, so I'll likely check the new area out in a week or so.
>And the Empathy I get from tending mites has been trivial, as has been the animal lore as far as I can tell, I'm not sure how much Empathy I got, but in about 30 minutes I went from 8.something ranks of Animal Lore to 9.65 now at clear, I haven't been back in awhile. I went there for escaping training, not blood mite tending. As for disease, I can't understand why you feel flesh rot is worse than gangrene. Gangrene NEVER leaves you until you get it taken or you have your wounds and scars all healed, and if you have lots of scratches and scars you're going to be hurting and dead soon. Flesh rot eventually pulses out like poison, if I wasn't an empath and couldn't find one, I'd take the one I could get through, eventually. Besides, the mites will eventually start a bleed. Win win and win all the way around.
Empathy/Animal lore - sounds like either the gen is slow or the mites cap low. How many ranks of FA do you have, and were you able to get first aid locked and keep it there without any problems?
Escaping - How much escaping to start, and what's the soft cap?
Flesh rot VS gangrene - Flesh rot does pulse like poison, but unlike poison each pulse is steadily stronger and lasts much longer than any poison I've ever had. Even with 30 stamina I've never been able to outlast a leech/bloodworm induced fleshrot. Gangrene on the other hand I rarely get an empath for, I just let it go away on its own.
Thrall of Dergati,
Heroiklim Zortal
Take these chances
Place them in a box until a quieter time
Lights down, you up and die
Re: What _is_ an adequate tip? on 10/10/2006 03:00 PM CDT