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No massive thread of excitement? Sounds really cool.
Right now the Moon Mage place on the "combat pet totem pole" is the part that's sunk into the earth to lower the pole's center of gravity.
-Armifer de Dragonrealms
I've only played around with it for a few minutes but so far I like it a lot. I can see it being incredibly useful!
Mialeigh Arekher, Triager of the Order of the White Rose
_________
There are two ways to live your life,
One is as if nothing is a miracle.
The other way is as if everything is.
-ยป Albert Einstein
Mialeigh Arekher, Triager of the Order of the White Rose
_________
There are two ways to live your life,
One is as if nothing is a miracle.
The other way is as if everything is.
-ยป Albert Einstein
It sounds cool to me because disablers that contest actual skills would allow me to use them regardless of how I train my stats...
Right now the Moon Mage place on the "combat pet totem pole" is the part that's sunk into the earth to lower the pole's center of gravity.
-Armifer de Dragonrealms
Right now the Moon Mage place on the "combat pet totem pole" is the part that's sunk into the earth to lower the pole's center of gravity.
-Armifer de Dragonrealms
>>My immediate question was are Lethargy and/or Nissa's Binding are being converted to TM? If so, when?
There's no intention of doing that at this time.
-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas
There's no intention of doing that at this time.
-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas
>Sounds cool. Any feedback from folks with access?
It takes a bit of mana to get to the point where you get messaging that the target MAY topple. For example, on a Rock Troll I found that point to be about 35, but that's just me.
Even at max mana the spell isn't a 100% guarantee that you will topple the target. Remember the word MAY in the description.
Nice short-time disabler though.
Asbhuan
It takes a bit of mana to get to the point where you get messaging that the target MAY topple. For example, on a Rock Troll I found that point to be about 35, but that's just me.
Even at max mana the spell isn't a 100% guarantee that you will topple the target. Remember the word MAY in the description.
Nice short-time disabler though.
Asbhuan
>Moving well, a pure white alfar avenger swings with an unusual black blade at a ship's rat. A ship's rat attempts to dodge, failing miserably. The blade lands an extremely heavy hit that cuts deeply into the fleshy part of the left palm!
>The ship's rat screams one last time and lies still.
>A ship's rat begins to move again, the anesthetic effect having obviously worn off.
ZOMBIE RAT!
Maybe the verbiage needs to change a little for a dead critter? All in all I -really- like this spell so far, it's great!
>The ship's rat screams one last time and lies still.
>A ship's rat begins to move again, the anesthetic effect having obviously worn off.
ZOMBIE RAT!
Maybe the verbiage needs to change a little for a dead critter? All in all I -really- like this spell so far, it's great!
So liking the spell, although a sad empath that I let my TM get so far behind my other combat skills...going to have to drop down a couple critter levels to catch it up now. boo!
But, I keep giggling over this line:
>The stream of energy roars past a baby forest gryphon!
I keep imagining some bunny hopping by, trying to stay out of the way, and getting hit with the rogue cast. Then it's just laying there, back leg twitching a little...
Thanks again for the new spell!
Kythryn
But, I keep giggling over this line:
>The stream of energy roars past a baby forest gryphon!
I keep imagining some bunny hopping by, trying to stay out of the way, and getting hit with the rogue cast. Then it's just laying there, back leg twitching a little...
Thanks again for the new spell!
Kythryn
<<Note that the spell is not effective against the undead and will likely anger them further.>>
Just out of curiosity, why do so many of our spells and abilities keep doing this? I can only assume it's because we were always intended to have an ability to unmake the undead, but it sure seems like that's never going to happen at this point so I wonder if perhaps there's another reason. For all I know it could just be a coincidence that someone thinks the way the spells are described warrants the limitation rather than some overarching design decision (in which case an effort should be made to stop doing that, because it's kind of annoying).
In any event, our ability to deal with undead creatures should be above average, not sub-par. So if we're not going to have an ability to directly defeat them, we should probably do a complete U-turn on the idea that our non-attack effects should be ineffective, and instead make them extra effective against undead. At least for corporeal undead...the idea of anesthetizing a ghost it kind of silly.
Thanks,
-Death's Nemesis Karthor
Just out of curiosity, why do so many of our spells and abilities keep doing this? I can only assume it's because we were always intended to have an ability to unmake the undead, but it sure seems like that's never going to happen at this point so I wonder if perhaps there's another reason. For all I know it could just be a coincidence that someone thinks the way the spells are described warrants the limitation rather than some overarching design decision (in which case an effort should be made to stop doing that, because it's kind of annoying).
In any event, our ability to deal with undead creatures should be above average, not sub-par. So if we're not going to have an ability to directly defeat them, we should probably do a complete U-turn on the idea that our non-attack effects should be ineffective, and instead make them extra effective against undead. At least for corporeal undead...the idea of anesthetizing a ghost it kind of silly.
Thanks,
-Death's Nemesis Karthor
<<I can only assume it's because we were always intended to have an ability to unmake the undead, but it sure seems like that's never going to happen at this point so I wonder if perhaps there's another reason. >>
I had always heard Gms say that Empaths are not supposed to be anti-undead or anti-necro. That seems like Cleric stuff.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
I had always heard Gms say that Empaths are not supposed to be anti-undead or anti-necro. That seems like Cleric stuff.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
>>In any event, our ability to deal with undead creatures should be above average, not sub-par.
Empaths specialize in abilities that deal with the ability to detect and handle life. Un-life is actually the opposite of their focus, not an extension of their focus.
Right now the Moon Mage place on the "combat pet totem pole" is the part that's sunk into the earth to lower the pole's center of gravity.
-Armifer de Dragonrealms
Empaths specialize in abilities that deal with the ability to detect and handle life. Un-life is actually the opposite of their focus, not an extension of their focus.
Right now the Moon Mage place on the "combat pet totem pole" is the part that's sunk into the earth to lower the pole's center of gravity.
-Armifer de Dragonrealms
This almost seems bug-like, but not really. If you perceive while preparing Paralysis, you get the following:
You are preparing the Paralysis spell at ten mana which feels distinctly offensive or damaging.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
While not strictly incorrect, I wonder if perhaps that statement should be stuck only on Shock-inducing spells rather than all "offensive" ones since the two are now distinguishable.
Thanks,
-Death's Nemesis Karthor
You are preparing the Paralysis spell at ten mana which feels distinctly offensive or damaging.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
While not strictly incorrect, I wonder if perhaps that statement should be stuck only on Shock-inducing spells rather than all "offensive" ones since the two are now distinguishable.
Thanks,
-Death's Nemesis Karthor
Is this level of balance hit appropriate for when the target "looks like it just might fall over"? It seems pretty small to me...I had just engaged this creature, so it would've been solidly balanced to start. There was no difference between the balance hit of a 12 mana barely targeted cast and a 35 mana fully targeted cast.
You gesture at a giant blight ogre.
A stream of translucent, golden energy shoots from the palm of your hand towards a giant blight ogre!
The stream of energy snakes around a giant blight ogre for a moment before suddenly constricting, splashing into it!
A giant blight ogre stops suddenly, as if frozen in place.
A giant blight ogre looks like it just might fall over!
Roundtime: 1 second.
>assess
You assess your combat situation...
You (solidly balanced) are facing a giant blight ogre (1) at melee range.
A giant blight ogre (1: immobile and slightly off balance) is facing you at melee range.
Thanks,
-Death's Nemesis Karthor
You gesture at a giant blight ogre.
A stream of translucent, golden energy shoots from the palm of your hand towards a giant blight ogre!
The stream of energy snakes around a giant blight ogre for a moment before suddenly constricting, splashing into it!
A giant blight ogre stops suddenly, as if frozen in place.
A giant blight ogre looks like it just might fall over!
Roundtime: 1 second.
>assess
You assess your combat situation...
You (solidly balanced) are facing a giant blight ogre (1) at melee range.
A giant blight ogre (1: immobile and slightly off balance) is facing you at melee range.
Thanks,
-Death's Nemesis Karthor
<<Any chance of re-evaluating the mechanism? Such as a diminishing returns eventually to 0...>>
Isn't that how it already is? The original announcement said:
Once you use the spell on a given critter, there will [be] a successively worsening experience penalty. The penalty is on a timer, and it is PER CRITTER.
In any case, the experience situation with the spell seems pretty reasonable to me. It's not that big of a deal to cycle through creatures with it after a couple of casts. Maybe it could stand a little tweaking to extend the "worthwhile to cast at that creature again" range slightly, but it's certainly not horribly off the mark right now. Being able to gain as much experience as you want against a single creature with failure-to-inflict-damage BOLT is not likely to remain the case forever, so that isn't necessarily a good comparison to make.
Thanks,
-Death's Nemesis Karthor
Isn't that how it already is? The original announcement said:
Once you use the spell on a given critter, there will [be] a successively worsening experience penalty. The penalty is on a timer, and it is PER CRITTER.
In any case, the experience situation with the spell seems pretty reasonable to me. It's not that big of a deal to cycle through creatures with it after a couple of casts. Maybe it could stand a little tweaking to extend the "worthwhile to cast at that creature again" range slightly, but it's certainly not horribly off the mark right now. Being able to gain as much experience as you want against a single creature with failure-to-inflict-damage BOLT is not likely to remain the case forever, so that isn't necessarily a good comparison to make.
Thanks,
-Death's Nemesis Karthor
I wouldn't expect BOLT spam to stay the way it is. We will want with M3.0 the best way of learning TM to be to kill stuff with it and do good damage, not to land a bazillion grazing hits. Also goal is to make TM not horribly suck at low ranks.
Non-damaging TM will be a reasonable way to get some TM but it will be even better when used in conjunction with TM that kills things.
-Z
Non-damaging TM will be a reasonable way to get some TM but it will be even better when used in conjunction with TM that kills things.
-Z
>>I wouldn't expect BOLT spam to stay the way it is. We will want with M3.0 the best way of learning TM to be to kill stuff with it and do good damage, not to land a bazillion grazing hits. Also goal is to make TM not horribly suck at low ranks.
Thank you so much, I hate training that way
Thank you so much, I hate training that way
I realize this thread has been dead awhile, but if you want to lock TM I do have a solution for those with the ability. Get out your avenger, cast paralyze on everything, let the avenger kill it, and just keep casting on each new critter that enters the room. I have managed to mind lock my TM doing this in a swarmy area. Granted it did take awhile, but with dedication the possibility is there.
- Yazegi
- Yazegi
If you're really committed to training TM as an empath I recommend just using the shotgun method with bolt on Boggles. It won't take terribly long to cap them out and then you can use para on beisswurms and maybe a few ranks in rock trolls till you can shotgun gargoyles. I recall reading that they're going to remove the ability to do this with bolt, though I can't remember where, so sooner rather than later might be a good idea.
>>I recall reading that they're going to remove the ability to do this with bolt, though I can't remember where, so sooner rather than later might be a good idea.
They're going to change it from shotgunning and learning well off glancing hits to something that makes more sense. It's not like TM is going to become untrainable.
They're going to change it from shotgunning and learning well off glancing hits to something that makes more sense. It's not like TM is going to become untrainable.
