>>I'm willing to bet there are a great many moon mages that are nearly barbarians or rangers in the way they train.

No offense to the well-trained Moon Mages (of which there are many), but Moon Mages probably have the highest ratio of sandbaggers with poor combats in relation to their circle of any guild beyond Traders, and maybe Empaths. It becomes even worse if you don't count hiding strictly as a combat skill.

There is nothing inherently wrong with that, though. Despite having a wide array of combat-capable spells, they are not really a combat guild by design.
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Malkien

Insofar as the entire game revolves around combat (except Traders, arguably), 'not a combat guild' is a meaningless and even harmful statement.
Insofar as the Moon Mage combat competencies are not direct applications of kicking ass, 'not a combat guild' is fair.

-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas

--For the first half of this, I suggest you take a 30th circle moon mage with good survivals at level, have them put the best shadows they can, the highest mana Rf they can hold, then run through Armadillos for about half an hour or so.--

I traveled to the dunes rather early in my career, right around circle 30. And I had no business being around the Armadillos at all. But I went because it was an adventure and I was willing to take the risk. Risks are always going to be present. And this was back before the changes were made removing Permanent death and when you departed you came back with wounds. I ended up digging my grave with one arm and still made it out of the dunes with the cantrip. Are you saying anyone in any guild should be able to safely run through armadillos at circle 30?

--For the second half... Possessing another creature isn't going to work out like you think it is, see Empath Guild. Having it kill you if they die is even worse. Not to mention your unconscious fragile form will probably not be in the room so someone might just wander by and shoot you to death.--

I never expected my spell idea to be used or even appreciated quite frankly. I don't see how you assumed I suggested the moon mage leave a physical form behind like the original spell plan does. Its nowhere in my spell idea. Either way your attacking my suggestion is really not constructive or relevant.

--Also, no matter how many people you get behind you or how much you beg and plead shift moonbeam is going away, the only way it would remain is if the locate-shift function were removed.--

I already made my peace with the loss of Shift Moonbeam. I'm talking about Mirror Wraith trying to pick up some of the slack when its gone. Learn to follow the thread thoroughly or refrain from attacking another persons suggestions without at least offering some logical reasoning.

"So you have no frame of reference here. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know..."

Nothing else to say about the rest of the post? All you are doing is being defensive now. You can't even debate your own standpoints.

--I could and can debate my own standpoints if I wanted to. In fact it was what I originally did when I started to write that post. I realized how futile an effort it would be since you as you are acting now would do little more than plug your ears and scream "I'm not listening lalalala" and deemed it not worthy. As is any other response from me at this point. So enjoy.--

What? I couldn't hear you...Lalalala

VERATHOR, since you generally quote and reference large amounts of text from other posts could you start them with a ">" in the future. It's a lot easier to tell things apart with the italics. Thank you.

-Coralin

For what it's worth, in a discussion this afternoon Zeyurn convinced me to take Seal of Deflection off the AP list and back in Moonie hands. It's probably not going to be available at release, but he has something Fun and Dynamic planned.

-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas

AP spellbook is still going to have a generic barrier spell, which is what SoD is now. SoD with the numbers filed off, basically.

The SoD name and imagery will be used for an updated barrier spell idea that's a bit more Moonieish.

-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas

I hope everyone will be pleasantly surprised and/or horrified when we get around to rewriting SoD.

-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas

<<I hope everyone will be pleasantly surprised and/or horrified when we get around to rewriting SoD.>>

This is definitely one of the major reasons why I love playing a moon mage.

>>VERATHOR, since you generally quote and reference large amounts of text from other posts could you start them with a ">" in the future. It's a lot easier to tell things apart with the italics. Thank you.

I'm sorry, I am new to the forums and I don't know all the ins and outs yet. I am learning though.

>I'm sorry, I am new to the forums and I don't know all the ins and outs yet. I am learning though.

It's cool, I'm just glad the folders are getting more traffic.

-Coralin

>>I hope everyone will be pleasantly surprised and/or horrified when we get around to rewriting SoD.

>>Depends on the % chance of death.

Moon mages and death. Bitter enemies or old lovers?

>>Bitter old lovers?

+10



In reality as in dreams, nothing is quite as it seems.

not wishing to read through all the hubris in the folder... i ahve a moonmage who i specifically trained for non combat (working on bringing him into combat though atm) but more for utility (fast travel ect) and from what i can see the MR spell is just a fluffy way of enforcing "distance" in the game. i can remember the skir and kree taking FOREVER to get to and from ratha and the ferries from lang to riverhaven are just ugh...so you introduce the rental boats which are much quicker why then would you strip the SM spell away if you've made other forms of travel shorter? it makes absolute sense for a moon mage to be able to shift his moon beam with enough skill
but having a moon mage do some kind of "soul" movement seems more like a clerical thing IMO hell give it to the clerics as some form of rescue spell "The soul of JoeCleric moves into the area. JoeCLeric begins the rituals to usher BillyBobWarMage's soul back into his body and raise him from the dead"

Your best bet is to take advantage of The Ways instead of wanting shift moonbeam to come back.

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"You always have to be a know-it-all. And you don't. Know. It. All." - GERSTEINJ2

I disagree.

I think that each of the points he made were original, unaddressed and important to this still fresh conversation.

Bravo sir, bravo.

-Serc

""It's a hell of a thing, killing some text. Take away all the numbers and letters and punctuation it's got, and all the numbers and letters and punctuation it's ever gonna have." -- Clint Eastwood, Unforgiven."-- Bahb.

You are correct that he only hit reply; the typo in the subject is not his fault.

I'm at a loss as to what the 'same error' I made was in this line however:
>Did you say dynamic?! Squeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Let's watch the thread necromancy, okay? Particularly when we're not being constructive.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose