One more point I would like to add with SLS, with RF and MB you can completely overhunt creatures well outside your range, things that would ruin your attunment to TRY to take one of down and it will only train TM (usually the lowest of all our general magics) while doing so.

I was calling "extreme mana efficiency" its niche - not novelty.

So, fine, if its niche is novelty, you get a lifetime of fun out of it.

Otherwise, you eventually reach a point where you have spells that hit harder, hit faster, and hit all day every day with no restrictions whatsoever, and harness? That becomes something that you vaguely recall used to limit how quickly you could cast, and how much mana you could use.

At that point, yeah, SLS continues to be novel, but in actual use is tediously slow.

I am not as high as you TF guys, but I am still at a point where mana concerns are relatively minimal (at least if all I'm doing is training). I do still find there are two situations in which SLS is at least nominally useful.

First, I occasionally get good use out of it when PM and/or Harn are walling, but TM is on a fast rank. This benefit can also be mimicked by sleeping while you cast CRS and awaking before the spikes hit, but that's kind of tedious.

Secondly, it is not only mana efficient, but attention efficient. Point it and then go do something else. Yeah, I can kill 3 things with CRS while SLS approaches melee, but at the end of the day I've killed 33% more creatures with 0 additional RT and nominal mana cost. That assumes they spawn fast enough for me to do that, which usually they don't, but HYPOTHETICALLY... heh. Also somewhat useful for inching TM along while you train weapons and defenses, though really that's not all that difficult to do even without SLS.

Anyway, I'm kinda luke warm on SLS myself, but those two reasons are how I try to not make myself feel bad for learning the spell.


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>>no water hunting restriction is pretty severe

Heh. Really? Where do you hunt that's so watery?


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>Where do you hunt that's so watery?

Nowhere, but I train swimming all the time. I'm also absentminded and likely to do so with a sphere following me.

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Haha, nah... I'm quite careful with teleports and especially moongates. I've actually died more often from reading the boards at the wrong time. Like while hiding amidst giant scorpion killing machines.

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>I didn't really talk the the guy for long so I might have missed a clue or two.

If you never listen, you'll never be able to finish it.

~ Sage Kougen Aensworth, Star Shaper of the Compact

"You PLANNED that?" - Rev. Reene

SHM honestly isn't that bad. It's a funny little quest. Only problem is there are a few parts where syntax makes little sense and can be extremely frustrating.

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"If it's not a flavor of Pop-Tart I don't know about it." - Sapphyr on exotic fruits

Ok, I finally finished the quest. I have to say I'm a bit disappointed with it though. I tried a bunch of different theories on how to find the right room, and none of them led me there. However, when I decided to just wander randomly I was able to find it. Three times actually. The first I didn't realize where I was, and the second I used the wrong verb and poofed out immediately. Is there a method to the madness, or did you guys all wander randomly as well?

>You have to use your other senses. All of them.

I used three. All except my brain.

I wasn't aware you really needed more than one. Maybe two. And then there's your magical senses, which don't really count...


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An empty spell slot is required.

Thanks for the help! :)

The only unifying thing to the spells in the stellar book, to my knowledge, is that they were all suppose to req level 40, req a quest, not be taught by the guild directly and be high end unique, special spells etc.

However only two of them were ever made, and perc stellar was sorta implimented after awhile so we could at least see what magic was powering them. Much like TS spells are now, if we randomly could now perc teleologic.

I could be wrong, or forgetting some important lore or something... but that's how I recall it. Both spells came out fairly soon after the idea came out, and then nothing more was ever realy done with stellar magic.

-- Mozzik, the Fateweaver

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Caelumia says, "I love the tools even more."

I would still like to see Mirror Wraith and Banishment come around in some form or another.

That and turning into a Mirror Wraith is awesomesauce.

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>>Mirrorwraith projection could play into each sects mythos very very very very well methinks.

...what?

<thinks about that>

No.


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And the truth isn't what you want to see.
In the dark, it is easy to pretend
That the truth is what it ought to be." - Erik Claudin

Yah I get a feeling Mirrorwraith is another one of those spells that was nearly finished (Or so we were told several times) and just... put on hold, because someone stopped and said "What's the point?". Either that or no one ever wanted to code another quest for it. Choose your own answer eh?

I certainly understand people going "I wanna be a mirror wraith!" at the same time I totally agree with... "what's the point". Just let SM's RT be trained down to 1 (or none...) and you can use that for 90% of what you'd use mirror wraith for.

-- Mozzik, the Fateweaver

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Caelumia says, "I love the tools even more."

I wasn't really refering to Armifer's stance on it (As I'm unaware of it other than what you just said, and the fact that clearly he's chosen to develop other spells first) and was more refering to the fact we've had I believe... four guild gurus since the spell was "mostly done" (Rigby, Trib, Talian, Chisoni I do believe).

-- Mozzik, the Fateweaver

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Caelumia says, "I love the tools even more."

So very very true Armifer. So very true.

Honestly I'm afraid to ask how many half finished, or 90% finished, or 99% finished spells or other projects are sitting around hehind the scenes. I know off, off cuff, at least a half dozen spells some GM or another has said was "mostly finished". Everything in Su Helmas (I love that we can see Su Helmas mobs in the prediction system heh). Countless other things.

I'm always amused when a GM announces something new with "Yah I basically found this code that has been sitting around for awhile, and no one knew about... so I finished it up, and poof!". Wasn't Lost Crossing something like that?

-- Mozzik, the Fateweaver

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Caelumia says, "I love the tools even more."

Just a nugget of a thought here...

Picked up SLS the other day. Yeah... I'm not really sure why either.

Anyhow I know a lot of people want to see improvements to the spell and the most common demand is to be able to use it during the day, or get rid of the cloud thing. (Well and to attack faster, be more accurate, and chill drinks).

It occurs to me - while the limits make sense from the approach of "It's a spell that derives it's power from the stars" they make very little sense when you consider the source of the spell.

Who's the keeper of Starlight Sphere? The Pethians. Now I don't know if they created it, but it's certainly a Pethian spell now. And if there's one thing Pethians do - it's the whole transcending normal senses things. You're blinded in order to find the spell, Pethians have a bonus with PG, there's that cantrip that... well either you know what it does or you don't, but it supports my argument. So even if the Pethians didn't create the spell (I don't know) they've had time to tinker with and perfect it.

It seems very logical to me that a Pethian spell wouldn't really care if it was day or night, or clouds. Pethians are not limited by mundane restrictions like that.

I mean, so there you have it. Solid lorecentric reasons the restrictions could be removed without fundamentally changing the spell. Not trying to address game balance here, just lore.

PS The spell should require the removal of an eye as the foundation of the sphere...

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