Attack move for 2nd stage bonded horse on 11/17/2003 02:04 PM CST
>signal horse attack garg
A steel grey horse rears up to its full height, staying there with perfect balance, it hops forward on its hind hooves, forefeet lashing out at a granite gargoyle. The hoof lands a light hit to its right leg!
A steel grey horse settles back down to all four hooves but only for a moment.
A steel grey horse leaps into the air, lashing out with its rear hooves at a granite gargoyle.
Granted Mirra only got a light hit, and missed the second attack. But WOW! This has potential.
I am guessing that the difficulty of this attack means that the horse must have more skill to do it well, against creatures that they normally attack easily, when using their normal move.
I have more details for the Horse GM, but will post that over in the horses folder. Just wanted to show you all.
Candidus
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Re: Attack move for 2nd stage bonded horse on 11/17/2003 02:08 PM CST
Re: Attack move for 2nd stage bonded horse on 11/17/2003 09:25 PM CST
>>A steel grey horse rears up to its full height, staying there with perfect balance, it hops forward on its hind hooves
LMFAO!!!!!
are you serious? a horse hopping? come on people, do a LITTLE research.
brandon
Heck no, that would ruin my destruction of the guild. I'll be aiming for the trash that everyone throws out.
Moon Mage GM - Talian
LMFAO!!!!!
are you serious? a horse hopping? come on people, do a LITTLE research.
brandon
Heck no, that would ruin my destruction of the guild. I'll be aiming for the trash that everyone throws out.
Moon Mage GM - Talian
Re: Attack move for 2nd stage bonded horse on 11/18/2003 09:19 AM CST
Re: Attack move for 2nd stage bonded horse on 11/18/2003 08:06 PM CST
>are you serious? a horse hopping? come on people, do a LITTLE research.
It's called a corbette and it's one of the classic 'airs above the ground'. Talk about research. <g> (The other maneuver is called a capriole, btw)
Vale, player of, who's seen 'em ... riding 'em is ... well, exciting, even the piaffe
It's called a corbette and it's one of the classic 'airs above the ground'. Talk about research. <g> (The other maneuver is called a capriole, btw)
Vale, player of, who's seen 'em ... riding 'em is ... well, exciting, even the piaffe
Re: Attack move for 2nd stage bonded horse on 11/20/2003 12:47 AM CST
>>It's called a corbette and it's one of the classic 'airs above the ground'. Talk about research. <g> (The other maneuver is called a capriole, btw)<<
aite, only think i could find was capriole in the webster dictionary
of a trained horse : a vertical leap with a backward kick of the hind legs at the height of the leap
i can't find Corbette at all thru google.com, can you help me find any refrence to it? not trying to be an arse, but i just can't seem to believe a horse can hop on it's rear legs like a dog. i can only image only the lipizzaner horses could do something like that.
if i'm wrong, please correct me.
brandon
Heck no, that would ruin my destruction of the guild. I'll be aiming for the trash that everyone throws out.
Moon Mage GM - Talian
aite, only think i could find was capriole in the webster dictionary
of a trained horse : a vertical leap with a backward kick of the hind legs at the height of the leap
i can't find Corbette at all thru google.com, can you help me find any refrence to it? not trying to be an arse, but i just can't seem to believe a horse can hop on it's rear legs like a dog. i can only image only the lipizzaner horses could do something like that.
if i'm wrong, please correct me.
brandon
Heck no, that would ruin my destruction of the guild. I'll be aiming for the trash that everyone throws out.
Moon Mage GM - Talian
Re: Attack move for 2nd stage bonded horse on 11/20/2003 07:53 AM CST
For the written description as a warhorse would perform them ...
http://www.brightfuturesfarm.org/Airs.htm
For pictures ...
http://lena.barrycaplan.com/airs_above_the_ground.htm
>but i just can't seem to believe a horse can hop on it's rear legs like a dog. i can only image only the lipizzaner horses could do something like that.
<chuckle> It's pretty amazing what a horse can do, although the airs above the ground take a tremendous amount of strength, which is why, now, it's usually only Lipizzaners and Andalusians that perform the leaps. (Corbette, capriole, and there are few more) However, that said, the originally these maneuvers were for the exigencies of battle. In that case, well, they're no where near as neatly done but rather are done for pure effect, which can provide a lot of help in getting a horse to do such things.
All of the airs, as well as the movements of classical dressage, are based on things horses will do on their own. That's how I managed to ride a horse doing a piaffe ... my mare volunteered it out of being a total idiot. It was one of the most amazing things I've ever felt in years of riding horses. But, she was a massively strong mare.
And, if you really want to know exactly all the airs, how they're trained, and anything else about the training of horses Alois Podhajsky's _Complete Training of Horse and Rider_ is the book to read. (at least for classical dressage) I can't count how many times I've read that book. <g> For more about the personalities and background, Podhajsky's _My Dancing White Horses_ is an excellent read. (It's a good read just for the history. Podhajsky had an unusual view of WWII, to say the least.)
Dio, player of
http://www.brightfuturesfarm.org/Airs.htm
For pictures ...
http://lena.barrycaplan.com/airs_above_the_ground.htm
>but i just can't seem to believe a horse can hop on it's rear legs like a dog. i can only image only the lipizzaner horses could do something like that.
<chuckle> It's pretty amazing what a horse can do, although the airs above the ground take a tremendous amount of strength, which is why, now, it's usually only Lipizzaners and Andalusians that perform the leaps. (Corbette, capriole, and there are few more) However, that said, the originally these maneuvers were for the exigencies of battle. In that case, well, they're no where near as neatly done but rather are done for pure effect, which can provide a lot of help in getting a horse to do such things.
All of the airs, as well as the movements of classical dressage, are based on things horses will do on their own. That's how I managed to ride a horse doing a piaffe ... my mare volunteered it out of being a total idiot. It was one of the most amazing things I've ever felt in years of riding horses. But, she was a massively strong mare.
And, if you really want to know exactly all the airs, how they're trained, and anything else about the training of horses Alois Podhajsky's _Complete Training of Horse and Rider_ is the book to read. (at least for classical dressage) I can't count how many times I've read that book. <g> For more about the personalities and background, Podhajsky's _My Dancing White Horses_ is an excellent read. (It's a good read just for the history. Podhajsky had an unusual view of WWII, to say the least.)
Dio, player of
Re: Attack move for 2nd stage bonded horse on 11/20/2003 03:28 PM CST
interesting, thx for the info and correction, i appreciate it. i truly didn't think horse was capable doing something like the Courbette.
i guess the only question i have now is, how many horses can really do this? could an average horse be trained to do this?
brandon
Heck no, that would ruin my destruction of the guild. I'll be aiming for the trash that everyone throws out.
Moon Mage GM - Talian
i guess the only question i have now is, how many horses can really do this? could an average horse be trained to do this?
brandon
Heck no, that would ruin my destruction of the guild. I'll be aiming for the trash that everyone throws out.
Moon Mage GM - Talian
Re: Attack move for 2nd stage bonded horse on 11/20/2003 04:32 PM CST
>i guess the only question i have now is, how many horses can really do this? could an average horse be trained to do this?
Hmmm, in correct style? I'd say a tiny, tiny fraction. Lets see, Lipizzaners, Andalusians, a very few Morgans, some Lusitanios ... mostly smaller, heavier horses, typically stallions. In the way a warhorse would, which isn't as controlled, from a pool of warhorse candidates, maybe a few percent have the capability. Which is about right, since only the officers would normally have a horse that could do things like that.
For an actual warhorse, the training is different, because in that case it is the effect, not the style that counts. Most warhorses had/have a rather aggressive personality, so it becomes more a case of channeling that aggression rather than teaching them to perform a specific maneuver with no other reason than obediance to the aids.
Insofar as average horse? Not a chance in this lifetime or any other. During the time period we're looking at here the 'average horse' was a sorry nag that would be glue today. Even the average horse today couldn't come close to these maneuvers. However, I assume that horses for DR characters are picked from the same pool as the characters. They're exceptional animals that are up for whatever the characters do with them. By the prices on them, this does seem to be likely.
Dio, player of
Hmmm, in correct style? I'd say a tiny, tiny fraction. Lets see, Lipizzaners, Andalusians, a very few Morgans, some Lusitanios ... mostly smaller, heavier horses, typically stallions. In the way a warhorse would, which isn't as controlled, from a pool of warhorse candidates, maybe a few percent have the capability. Which is about right, since only the officers would normally have a horse that could do things like that.
For an actual warhorse, the training is different, because in that case it is the effect, not the style that counts. Most warhorses had/have a rather aggressive personality, so it becomes more a case of channeling that aggression rather than teaching them to perform a specific maneuver with no other reason than obediance to the aids.
Insofar as average horse? Not a chance in this lifetime or any other. During the time period we're looking at here the 'average horse' was a sorry nag that would be glue today. Even the average horse today couldn't come close to these maneuvers. However, I assume that horses for DR characters are picked from the same pool as the characters. They're exceptional animals that are up for whatever the characters do with them. By the prices on them, this does seem to be likely.
Dio, player of
Re: Attack move for 2nd stage bonded horse on 11/22/2003 02:49 AM CST
<<Does your relationship to your horse affect your jousting ability?>>
Not that I can tell.
Candidus
___________________
Raellia lowers her head briefly before unleashing a roar hinting at a fatal following.
You are frozen with fear!
Tigo, Rufhelous and Grasimnio appear frozen with fear.
Rufhelous says, "That's not good."
Re: Attack move for 2nd stage bonded horse on 11/22/2003 03:23 PM CST
Re: Attack move for 2nd stage bonded horse on 12/29/2003 04:52 PM CST
The best warhorses described in various aspects of history (as far as the ones that were expected to attack, and leap, not the type used for light cavalry) appear to be similar to Lippizaners, Andalusians, and Friesians. They were not generally over 16 hands tall, because the agility needed to do the maneuvers is pretty close to impossible in a bigger horse. Their build, however, was not light, but strong; their backs short, and balance perfect.
In reality, a horse's build and height is very important when choosing one to ride, and one for the type of work it will do. It's the reason why there are more breeds than Clydesdales today. In DR, it's all sort of mashed together and people are expected to imagine 18 hh burly horses doing a courbette with a gnome mounted on its back. I can't get my mind around it, personally.
---Brett
In reality, a horse's build and height is very important when choosing one to ride, and one for the type of work it will do. It's the reason why there are more breeds than Clydesdales today. In DR, it's all sort of mashed together and people are expected to imagine 18 hh burly horses doing a courbette with a gnome mounted on its back. I can't get my mind around it, personally.
---Brett
Re: Attack move for 2nd stage bonded horse on 12/30/2003 11:09 PM CST
I picture Mirra as a Friesian if I have to equate her to any RL breed. Big chested, but not that tall. Yes 16 HH horse is fine.
If any of you have ever see the movie Ladyhawk, Rutger Hower plays the knight in that movie. His warhorse is a friesian. Very beautiful, strong, elegant horse.
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