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Since we have you attention can you tell me if were able to get "desert" titles?
Im sure a few of us are itching for a definate response on this.
You wonder if the grimy bar of soap is the home of an evil spirit.
Desert titles are unlikely. Mountain/Forest/River I could justify, but Desert I cant really. However, I will investigate on the off chance they might get through.
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>>Desert titles are unlikely. Mountain/Forest/River I could justify, but Desert I cant really. <<
Come on. Way back in 86 we could play Wasteland and be a member of the Desert Rangers. Surely DR could make room for that. :)
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Come on. Way back in 86 we could play Wasteland and be a member of the Desert Rangers. Surely DR could make room for that. :)
Fear the Scorpitron!
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The Only way i could personally se a Desert Title It would have to be super hard Reqs. Beyond that for the Normal Mountain/Forest/River.
I know you might ask why but as a great ranger WE HAD to kill once said. In the desert you are forced to depend upon your survival skills more. Taber was one of the most Hard Core rangers I've seen in a long time, maybe partly because he lost his magic, but since he was from the desert would be a big factor in his dedication to training.
Not saying I wouldn't like to see them but it would be nice if they did do Taber some justice even if he was rotten to the core. He was still a Ranger.
The Dragon priest hisses, "We'd have won, too, if it weren't for thossse meddling kidsss."
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I know you might ask why but as a great ranger WE HAD to kill once said. In the desert you are forced to depend upon your survival skills more. Taber was one of the most Hard Core rangers I've seen in a long time, maybe partly because he lost his magic, but since he was from the desert would be a big factor in his dedication to training.
Not saying I wouldn't like to see them but it would be nice if they did do Taber some justice even if he was rotten to the core. He was still a Ranger.
The Dragon priest hisses, "We'd have won, too, if it weren't for thossse meddling kidsss."
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>>Why give useless beseeches when we have spells,
Firstly, we are not mages. Look at our spell number and quality. We're magic tertiary. Some other spells to round things out and add functionality would be great, but I personally should think Ranger specialty should lay in skill feats and beseeches.
>> or vice versa?
Wait, eh? Which wa do you want it?
You are Malkien, a dashing Barbarian. Huzzah!
You are Apis, a legendary Cleric in your own head.
You are Ragesong. What sort of Kaldar is a Bard, anyways, doofus?
You are also Pellazan (WM), Essatariol (Ranger) and running out of sig space.
Firstly, we are not mages. Look at our spell number and quality. We're magic tertiary. Some other spells to round things out and add functionality would be great, but I personally should think Ranger specialty should lay in skill feats and beseeches.
>> or vice versa?
Wait, eh? Which wa do you want it?
You are Malkien, a dashing Barbarian. Huzzah!
You are Apis, a legendary Cleric in your own head.
You are Ragesong. What sort of Kaldar is a Bard, anyways, doofus?
You are also Pellazan (WM), Essatariol (Ranger) and running out of sig space.
>"Desert titles are unlikely. Mountain/Forest/River I could justify, but Desert I cant really. However, I will investigate on the off chance they might get through."
Like has been mentioned, I would really like to see these as a step above the froest/water/mountian since there would be more skills needed to survive there. Personally my reasoning is along the line of purely suvival titles and as I have stated before: the desert, would be the place to truely test those skills.
In my own opnion it really justifies itself, moreso now with the other locale based titles. Some skills I could see factored into the title with a breif example why:
Foraging: A true test of survival; no healer present, herb pouch running low...do you have the skill to find more? Your very life depends on it!
Climbing: What lies behind that yonder dune? Without the climbign skill youd be stuck with no way to find out. Surely those shifting sand would make any climbler leary of the enviroment.
Escaping: Moving though sand got you bogged down? Velakaan slavers got you all wrapped up in net? Shoulda used your flee verb more often!
Scouting: Desert breeze, ahh that feels nice. Wait, oh no it obscured my path! If only I had more practice running the loop out North East gate, or by the Haven tent...Id be able to scout out where it once was.
Some other ideas:
?Animal Lore? - Boy, if I didnt see that pair of spiny toed dune lizards go that direction I would have never foudn the way to this oasis/cave and would have died on the sands.
?Beseech the Sun to Dry? - Gee wiz now I can make it like a desert anywhere I go!
?Wolf Scent/Spider Climb? - These spealls Tomma taught me could be of some use in a more stressful situation...Lets go find a place for a true test of my abilities.
?Hiding/Stalking? - Wow I never knew it was so hard to hide and stalk in sand until I spent an hr following my own tracks. Perhaps theres a way to do this better with more skill?
You wonder if the grimy bar of soap is the home of an evil spirit.
Like has been mentioned, I would really like to see these as a step above the froest/water/mountian since there would be more skills needed to survive there. Personally my reasoning is along the line of purely suvival titles and as I have stated before: the desert, would be the place to truely test those skills.
In my own opnion it really justifies itself, moreso now with the other locale based titles. Some skills I could see factored into the title with a breif example why:
Foraging: A true test of survival; no healer present, herb pouch running low...do you have the skill to find more? Your very life depends on it!
Climbing: What lies behind that yonder dune? Without the climbign skill youd be stuck with no way to find out. Surely those shifting sand would make any climbler leary of the enviroment.
Escaping: Moving though sand got you bogged down? Velakaan slavers got you all wrapped up in net? Shoulda used your flee verb more often!
Scouting: Desert breeze, ahh that feels nice. Wait, oh no it obscured my path! If only I had more practice running the loop out North East gate, or by the Haven tent...Id be able to scout out where it once was.
Some other ideas:
?Animal Lore? - Boy, if I didnt see that pair of spiny toed dune lizards go that direction I would have never foudn the way to this oasis/cave and would have died on the sands.
?Beseech the Sun to Dry? - Gee wiz now I can make it like a desert anywhere I go!
?Wolf Scent/Spider Climb? - These spealls Tomma taught me could be of some use in a more stressful situation...Lets go find a place for a true test of my abilities.
?Hiding/Stalking? - Wow I never knew it was so hard to hide and stalk in sand until I spent an hr following my own tracks. Perhaps theres a way to do this better with more skill?
You wonder if the grimy bar of soap is the home of an evil spirit.
<<to get a desert title you should also have to be a velakan citizen.>>
I disagree, that isn't the only desert area IG. I would never suggest a title (excluding affiliation) be based on Citizenship. Thats like telling a ranger who confines himself to training in the desert (Roleplaying wise) That they have to become a citizen of a city (where he probably avoids or if a natrualist sees as unclean) Just to be considered a Desert Ranger.
The Dragon priest hisses, "We'd have won, too, if it weren't for thossse meddling kidsss."
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I disagree, that isn't the only desert area IG. I would never suggest a title (excluding affiliation) be based on Citizenship. Thats like telling a ranger who confines himself to training in the desert (Roleplaying wise) That they have to become a citizen of a city (where he probably avoids or if a natrualist sees as unclean) Just to be considered a Desert Ranger.
The Dragon priest hisses, "We'd have won, too, if it weren't for thossse meddling kidsss."
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If we get any desert titles, which I think most of the arguments for them thus far have been rather week, one needs to be Sand Person...like Sand people from Star Wars only singular...just messing. But, the arguments have been weak. You can't tell me that living in the desert in any harder than living high up on snow covered mountains. One place has a lack of water, tons of sand, really hot and hard to travel through. The other has lack of water, tons of snow, really cold and hard to travel through. And I am talking extremes here. Not your average mountain in NC, but the extreme. The desert is an extreme and mountains can be just as dire. In my opinion, the argument that future desert titles should be harder to get than mountain ones just doesn't hold water. Pardon the pun. What should determine if we get desert titles is whether or not a "Ranger", whatever that is, is seen typically as one that COULD be found wandering in such a place as a desert.
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"to get a desert title you should also have to be a velakan citizen."
To be totally honest unless you have a strong RP reason for it I dont see any reason why a Ranger would become a citizen of anywhere. I like to beleive as the land being something that was initally free...the empires and kingdoms are what made it worth blood and platinum. I think of paying taxes to those in power is only harmful to my lifestyle as a Ranger. Because, what will that money pay for? An expansion to a city I dont really want to be in? More money to fuel the building of new walls, just how I see it.
"can't tell me that living in the desert in any harder than living high up on snow covered mountains."
Nobody is really saying that, what is being said is this: We should have desert titles, and here's why I think so.
I really see all extreme locations as being something only a "ranger" can appreciate being in and survivng. Wether it be Mountian peak, Forest seculsion, River depth, or...Desert wasteland. When thought about, all location have a select sadre of people who are familiar with that territory and the habits of the local flora and fauna. Call them Rangers or Bushmasters or Scouts or Survivalists or really whatever. This peticular profession has been well thought of as one that is applicable to any area that has not been urbanized.
I think the reason why you find the reasoning weak is because really there doesnt need to be much there. I think that most people can look at what I and other have said and draw the same conculsion we have. A conclusion which is only reinforced by the recent release of the other "Mountian, Forest, and River" titles. I cant help but see it in the mindframe of Magic The Gathering mana sources, "Swamp, Mountian, Island, Forest" along with the inclusion of a few special dual lands "Deserts, Plains, Caves, Deltas, Tropical islands, etc." I think if anyone should have claim to titles of this type it should be those who are closest to the land...meaning us, the Rangers.
Yes I did just reference MTG. Im a geek, I'm secure in the knowledge of this.
You wonder if the grimy bar of soap is the home of an evil spirit.
To be totally honest unless you have a strong RP reason for it I dont see any reason why a Ranger would become a citizen of anywhere. I like to beleive as the land being something that was initally free...the empires and kingdoms are what made it worth blood and platinum. I think of paying taxes to those in power is only harmful to my lifestyle as a Ranger. Because, what will that money pay for? An expansion to a city I dont really want to be in? More money to fuel the building of new walls, just how I see it.
"can't tell me that living in the desert in any harder than living high up on snow covered mountains."
Nobody is really saying that, what is being said is this: We should have desert titles, and here's why I think so.
I really see all extreme locations as being something only a "ranger" can appreciate being in and survivng. Wether it be Mountian peak, Forest seculsion, River depth, or...Desert wasteland. When thought about, all location have a select sadre of people who are familiar with that territory and the habits of the local flora and fauna. Call them Rangers or Bushmasters or Scouts or Survivalists or really whatever. This peticular profession has been well thought of as one that is applicable to any area that has not been urbanized.
I think the reason why you find the reasoning weak is because really there doesnt need to be much there. I think that most people can look at what I and other have said and draw the same conculsion we have. A conclusion which is only reinforced by the recent release of the other "Mountian, Forest, and River" titles. I cant help but see it in the mindframe of Magic The Gathering mana sources, "Swamp, Mountian, Island, Forest" along with the inclusion of a few special dual lands "Deserts, Plains, Caves, Deltas, Tropical islands, etc." I think if anyone should have claim to titles of this type it should be those who are closest to the land...meaning us, the Rangers.
Yes I did just reference MTG. Im a geek, I'm secure in the knowledge of this.
You wonder if the grimy bar of soap is the home of an evil spirit.
Not all deserts are hot, sandy places. Perhaps they are in Elanthia though...by definition a desert is any place that doesn't receive much precipitation. Antartica is arguably the largest desert on Earth. The thing is they are both really inhospitable. What is the reasoning behind not having desert titles? Is it just the fact the reqs would either use the same skills as the other titles or something else?
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<<"can't tell me that living in the desert in any harder than living high up on snow covered mountains."
<<Nobody is really saying that...
this is what I was responding to...
<<The Only way i could personally se a Desert Title It would have to be super hard Reqs. Beyond that for the Normal Mountain/Forest/River.
I still don't see desert titles a fit for the Ranger guild. The titles that we seem to be given are titles that also seem to be places that a Ranger could most likely live without involvement of other people or a city. A mountain, a ranger could live alone and feed him and his companion just fine. Same with living near a river. And a forest is no question. But a desert, not too much to live off of or find an identity from. But who knows, maybe someday we'll have a scorpion as a companion and have learned how to turn sand into water, then we would deserve a desert title.
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<<Nobody is really saying that...
this is what I was responding to...
<<The Only way i could personally se a Desert Title It would have to be super hard Reqs. Beyond that for the Normal Mountain/Forest/River.
I still don't see desert titles a fit for the Ranger guild. The titles that we seem to be given are titles that also seem to be places that a Ranger could most likely live without involvement of other people or a city. A mountain, a ranger could live alone and feed him and his companion just fine. Same with living near a river. And a forest is no question. But a desert, not too much to live off of or find an identity from. But who knows, maybe someday we'll have a scorpion as a companion and have learned how to turn sand into water, then we would deserve a desert title.
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basically you can justify any of the guilds living in the desert. Because you have earthly type similarities to base it on.
Desert traders ... trade routes used to wind thru the desert before the suez was built - the old silk route to china crossed thru the middle east. Desert bandits of course ... who preyed on the aforementioned traders. Desert clerics ... you have the essenes, and other "holymen" who lived in the desert. Moon mages, Warrior Mages... well one is tied to the moons, so their mana is planet wide. The other to the elements, which of course exist in desert terrain as well. Paladins maybe not, knights in shining armor don't do well in desert warfare <see the Crusades>. Bards maybe not either, gotta have an audience and a nearby pub. Barbarians, well, as long as something to kill is nearby, they're happy. Empaths, healers will go whereever people need healing. And Rangers are like present day survivalists - learn to live on the land, seems that is in keeping with ranger philosophy. Although other things should make it into the system for a complete desert topiography... i.e. there is life in the desert, its just learned how to adapt to the climate. So foragable cacti, rattlesnakes <creature suggestion>, camels <another critter suggestion>, coyotes.
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Desert traders ... trade routes used to wind thru the desert before the suez was built - the old silk route to china crossed thru the middle east. Desert bandits of course ... who preyed on the aforementioned traders. Desert clerics ... you have the essenes, and other "holymen" who lived in the desert. Moon mages, Warrior Mages... well one is tied to the moons, so their mana is planet wide. The other to the elements, which of course exist in desert terrain as well. Paladins maybe not, knights in shining armor don't do well in desert warfare <see the Crusades>. Bards maybe not either, gotta have an audience and a nearby pub. Barbarians, well, as long as something to kill is nearby, they're happy. Empaths, healers will go whereever people need healing. And Rangers are like present day survivalists - learn to live on the land, seems that is in keeping with ranger philosophy. Although other things should make it into the system for a complete desert topiography... i.e. there is life in the desert, its just learned how to adapt to the climate. So foragable cacti, rattlesnakes <creature suggestion>, camels <another critter suggestion>, coyotes.
"Word on the street is, ya been lookin' out for the best interests of the Guild."
<<And Rangers are like present day survivalists - learn to live on the land, seems that is in keeping with ranger philosophy. Although other things should make it into the system for a complete desert topiography... i.e. there is life in the desert, its just learned how to adapt to the climate. So foragable cacti, rattlesnakes <creature suggestion>, camels <another critter suggestion>, coyotes.
Key issue in the desert is water. No one in their right mind is trying to live in the desert. A Ranger doesn't have much around him there to help him. Good luck trying to find herbs, which are vital to a Ranger. Yeah, you can eat cacti, great...but I'm sure your wolf or raccoon might just kill you for dragging them out to that wasteland. They would probably rather catch fire and die, which they might do anyways under the desert sun, than go with you into the desert. Again, would you really find a Ranger living or identifying himself and his background as one that lives in the desert. Maybe a few of you would. But as for the guild as a whole, the desert is not a place that we have a background in.
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Key issue in the desert is water. No one in their right mind is trying to live in the desert. A Ranger doesn't have much around him there to help him. Good luck trying to find herbs, which are vital to a Ranger. Yeah, you can eat cacti, great...but I'm sure your wolf or raccoon might just kill you for dragging them out to that wasteland. They would probably rather catch fire and die, which they might do anyways under the desert sun, than go with you into the desert. Again, would you really find a Ranger living or identifying himself and his background as one that lives in the desert. Maybe a few of you would. But as for the guild as a whole, the desert is not a place that we have a background in.
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<<interestingly enough, you have flash floods in the desert...
making it even less livable. though flash floods are very, very rare, like oasises.
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making it even less livable. though flash floods are very, very rare, like oasises.
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Okay here is the thing, My logic behind titles went according to this. River - Swimming, Forest - Foraging, Mountain - Climbing, (Desert), not to say the others aren't just as dangerous, but using the logical reason i was going by. Making Desert Scout, Desert Ranger titles would basically be more of a survivalist overall title because it would take being proficiant at multiple skills to be able to survive. Foraging, Escaping (skinholes with malchata come to mind) combats since most of the deserts around Elanthia are home to the most dangerous of creatures.
As for no water in the desert there tend to be just not in vast supplies, as for Rangers being in their right mind is a matter of opinion. Who in their right mind would rather risk living in the wild rather saftely locked up in a brick house nice and cozy? Rangers, we choose to defy the normal urban life, and pick enviorments to live that aren't considered suitable for the normal person to survive for weeks at a time in without going near a city.
I for one wouldn't wear the title personally. Just because of some rats that live out that way. Regardless of that other area's have deserts. So exclusively putting the title to the area would be flawed. So I still disagree about the citizenship title, only becuase when you join a city as a citizen you're joining the city. Only rangers would in their right mind choose to be closer to the natural environment around the area and live there.
The Dragon priest hisses, "We'd have won, too, if it weren't for thossse meddling kidsss."
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As for no water in the desert there tend to be just not in vast supplies, as for Rangers being in their right mind is a matter of opinion. Who in their right mind would rather risk living in the wild rather saftely locked up in a brick house nice and cozy? Rangers, we choose to defy the normal urban life, and pick enviorments to live that aren't considered suitable for the normal person to survive for weeks at a time in without going near a city.
I for one wouldn't wear the title personally. Just because of some rats that live out that way. Regardless of that other area's have deserts. So exclusively putting the title to the area would be flawed. So I still disagree about the citizenship title, only becuase when you join a city as a citizen you're joining the city. Only rangers would in their right mind choose to be closer to the natural environment around the area and live there.
The Dragon priest hisses, "We'd have won, too, if it weren't for thossse meddling kidsss."
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