Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 01:37 PM CST
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>>What's wrong with having 390 ranks of evasion at 100?

I am not sure if this is a joke or not. I consider 5 ranks per circle to be the bare minimum for a Ranger as far as evasion goes, and my character is notoriously bad at defense. The sudden jump of 14 circles has messed me up, but I'll be correcting it before I do more circling.
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Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 01:53 PM CST
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>I consider 5 ranks per circle to be the bare minimum for a Ranger as far as evasion goes, and my character is notoriously bad at defense. The sudden jump of 14 circles has messed me up

This. I was so focused on getting the requisite 370 primary weapon to hit 100, I wasn't training defenses at all. What's funny though, My shield it 10 ranks higher than my evasion, and given skill-sets, that's sad. Power-circling leads to poorly trained characters, but that 100th benchmark was to tempting. Back to a more balance approach.

Celpeze in Shard plzkthx

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Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 02:29 PM CST
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Interesting info.

My boards have been boring lately I should come over here more often.



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A black panther is stunned!
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Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 03:02 PM CST
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Only up to 19 rangers and 2 barbies. Tell your ranger friends that don't touch the boards cuz of their phobia to go ahead and respond to this. Or post for them, and just mention their name, that'd be fine too. (a lotta people don't like the boards).
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Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 03:38 PM CST
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<<Gah, I'll have to make a barbie tab now. THANKS.>>

Tell them to go find thier own scientists and analysts.


~Van
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Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 03:44 PM CST
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<<My shield it 10 ranks higher than my evasion, and given skill-sets, that's sad.>>

In my experiences, and personal opinion: Early on, skill-sets are heavily defining. But skill-sets mean less and less, as skills get higher and higher. It effects pool sizes to the point that they're not as differentiated as you'd expect. This is why you start having high level warmages and barbarians who have comptetively comparible skinning, perception, hiding, and evasion skills. And rangers with weapons, lore, and magic as well.


~Van
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Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 04:20 PM CST
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Survivals

Hiding
Stalking
Perception
Evasion
scouting
climbing
foraging
swimming
skinning
firstaid

Overall

Hiding
Stalking
Perception
Evasion
Scouting
Medium Edge
Climbing
Leather Armor
Foraging
swimming




"So like I said, don't take it personally. All cultures have their share of fools. It's just that we always felt yours had a lot more than ours."
~~Warrior Mage Guild Leader Senfrislor, The Prydaen in Their Own Words~~
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Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 04:29 PM CST
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Here are mine for better or for worse--

Perception 1 Perception
Swimming 2 Swimming
Scouting 3 Scouting
Evasion 4 Evasion
Foraging 5 Primary Magic
Climbing 6 Harness
Skinning 7 Power Perception
Hiding 8 Leather Armor
Disarm 9 Foraging
Stalking 10 Parry

Megara
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Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 06:42 PM CST
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I thought I would see more longbow in the tops more often, unless I missed it in the other posts.

Survival All
Comestible Consumption1Comestible Consumption
Perception2Perception
Scouting3Scouting
Foraging4Foraging
Evasion5Scholarship
Hiding6Twohanded Edged
First Aid7Evasion
Skinning8Hiding
Stalking9Leather Armor
Climbing10First Aid
Swimming11Skinning


~Brian/Bahb
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Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 07:19 PM CST
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Survival All
Swimming 1 Swimming
Perception 2 Perception
First Aid 3 First Aid
Foraging 4 Foraging
Scouting 5 Scouting
Evasion 6 Evasion
Skinning 7 Skinning
Climbing 8 Heavy Edge
Hiding 9 Leather Armor
Lockpicking 10 Power Perception


DW
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Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 08:08 PM CST
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Update:

Notes:
Score is same (10 points for #1, 1 point for #10).
Count refers to how many times it shows up in top 10.
Count for All is short by 2, b/c of the silly people with tied skills. I gave half of each of the tied skills to the Score though, so it matches.
23 responses so far (RANGERS).

SurvivalScoreCountAllScoreCount
Perception19223Perception174.521
Hiding18523Hiding17021
Scouting15923Scouting13321
Stalking13822Stalking11417
Evasion12823Evasion9418
Climbing11722Harness Ability7916
Swimming9022Climbing7814
Foraging8322Swimming5510
Skinning8322Primary Magic5012
First Aid5619Leather Armor3910
Stealing263Skinning3813
Lockpicking43Foraging389
Disarm Traps32Scholarship325
Escaping11Long Bow306
Total1265230First Aid296
Stealing243
Medium Edged164
Power Perceive144
Appraisal123
Heavy Edged8.52
Parry Ability83
Short Bow61
Twohanded Edged61
Light Crossbow51
Mechanical Lore32
Shield Usage31
Animal Lore21
Magical Devices21
Multi Opponent11
Vocals11
Escaping00
Disarm Traps00
Lockpicking00
Total1265228


Things:
Perception is #1 so far (?!!?).
Still only the one person with escape as a top 10 survival.
I'm still the only one with Multi Opponent in my to 10 overall. =)
MD, AL, Vocals, Shield, LX, 2HE, SB are others that have only one representing.
Scouting is number 3. You guys/gals are insane. Or I suck.
Poor evasion is down to 5th. Ouch.
6 people with LB (I'm sure not one, it's well below my defenses).
Fun. More people please, nag your friends.
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Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 09:26 PM CST
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<<Perception is #1 so far (?!!?).>>

It's funny that this happened. I think a long while ago, I suggested that Rangers should be a perception focused guild. I think I also made a comment about this when Z was taking suggestions on what our hard req survival should be. In fact, this chart makes me want to resuggest these ideas.....


~Van
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Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 09:49 PM CST
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I don't even juggle really, i just learn it from trails. It's number 1 for me but i am still pretty little yet.
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Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 10:00 PM CST
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>>It's funny that this happened. I think a long while ago, I suggested that Rangers should be a perception focused guild. I think I also made a comment about this when Z was taking suggestions on what our hard req survival should be. In fact, this chart makes me want to resuggest these ideas.....

Perceptions my 5th-6th survival (alternates with swim)! /cry
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Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 10:31 PM CST
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I was always pretty perception heavy. It was my way to counter to all the hiders. I focused mostly on evasion and perception back when I was younger. Spending much time standing around at the bank, when you could learn really well that way.

Then hiding became really useful, and sniping was released. Thus started my attempts to work more hiding.



~Van
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Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 10:35 PM CST
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Perception is my fifth survival.
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Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 11:11 PM CST
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Hiding, stalking, perception - this is a count of where they fall overall survival wise for the 23 we have, just showing it b/c of the discussion.

FirstSecondThirdFourthFifthSixthSeventhEighthNinthTenthScore
Hiding8532210110185
Stalking2246111221138
Perception7561301000192

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Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 11:38 PM CST
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Overall:

1 Scouting
2 Perception
3 Climbing
4 Foraging
5 Swimming
6 Power Perceive
7 Medium Edged
8 Harness Ability
9 Primary Magic
10 Evasion

Survival:

1 Scouting
2 Perception
3 Climbing
4 Foraging
5 Swimming
6 Evasion
7 Hiding
8 Skinning
9 First Aid
10 Stalking

Yeah. I'm weird like that.

-=Dirge. You gotta lava it.=-

"Traders do not shriek like little girls and worry about magic cooties." GM Armifer
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Re: Is it time on 11/27/2008 01:14 AM CST
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>I consider 5 ranks per circle to be the bare minimum for a Ranger as far as evasion goes, and my character is notoriously bad at defense. The sudden jump of 14 circles has messed me up

>This. I was so focused on getting the requisite 370 primary weapon to hit 100, I wasn't training defenses at all. What's funny though, My shield it 10 ranks higher than my evasion, and given skill-sets, that's sad. Power-circling leads to poorly trained characters, but that 100th benchmark was to tempting. Back to a more balance approach.

Oh, ok. I just looked at the ranger requirements at 100 and saw that primary survival needed to be 430 (old and new) while primary weapon needed to be 440 (old) and 370 (new). It didn't seem that far off to me.

Also, 5 ranks of evasion per circle, minimum? Those are some high standards.

Nikpack

Climbing List:http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Climbing_skill
Swimming List:http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Swimming_skill

And while I am evil, I try to avoid being just plain mean.
-Z
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Re: Is it time on 11/27/2008 01:28 AM CST
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Also, 5 ranks of evasion per circle, minimum? Those are some high standards.

My standard for hiding is a bare minimum of 6 per circle. I gotta fix that now, was doing so good at keeping ahead of that before :/

And evasions still right at 5 per. Yum.
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Re: Is it time on 11/27/2008 04:43 AM CST
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<<Also, 5 ranks of evasion per circle, minimum? Those are some high standards.>>

I always tried to keep my personal requirements up around 7-8. It's more like 6-7 now though.

It's a primary defense. Might as well work it for all it's worth.


~Van
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Re: Is it time on 11/27/2008 09:43 AM CST
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Survival:

1. Evasion
2. Climbing
3. Perception
4. Scouting
5. First Aid
6. Foraging
7. Hiding
8. Disarm
9. Stalking
10. Swimming

Overall:

1. Evasion
2. Climbing
3. Perception
4. Scouting
5. Heavy Edge
6. First Aid
7. Leather
8. Foraging
9. Hiding
10. Harness
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Re: Is it time on 11/27/2008 10:09 AM CST
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Overall:

Climbing
Perception
Scouting
Foraging
Evasion
Medium Edged
Leather Armor
Skinning
Harness Ability
Parry Ability



Survival:

Climbing
Perception
Scouting
Foraging
Evasion
Skinning
Hiding
Swimming
First Aid
Disarm Traps

-Cordin

P.S Yes I was on a survival kick for a while.
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Re: Is it time on 11/27/2008 01:03 PM CST
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>My standard for hiding is a bare minimum of 6 per circle.

This is what I do as well for hiding and stalking.

I generally try to get 7 ranks of perception per circle. Usually I get bored and get about 6.5.

I don't really set a specific goal for defenses; I just try to keep them ahead of my weapons.

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Satfiki wipes a bit of Rmel's spittle from her arm.
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Re: Is it time on 11/27/2008 01:55 PM CST
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lol, 7 perc per circle.

I wish. I'd go freakin nuts.
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Re: Is it time on 11/27/2008 02:03 PM CST
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>lol, 7 perc per circle... I'd go freakin nuts.

I know. I usually come close but don't quite make it; it's a goal, though.

I'm operating at about 6.6 per circle currently.


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Satfiki wipes a bit of Rmel's spittle from her arm.
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Re: Is it time on 11/27/2008 03:36 PM CST
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Yes, but you're still under 60th. As a secondary skill for you, once you're looking at needing 700 for 100th.. well, I wish you the best =)
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Re: Is it time on 11/28/2008 12:27 AM CST
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Top 10 All:
Perception
Appraisal
Hiding
Stalking
Skinning
Scouting
Foraging
Climbing
Leather Armor
Swimming

Top 10 Survival:
Perception
Hiding
Stalking
Skinning
Scouting
Foraging
Climbing
Swimming
Evasion
First Aid

Gahlron Dragon'Claws
Ranger
Today my wife asked me when I was going to clean the patio. I said "Soon", to which she replied, "Who's version of soon? Yours or mine?
"Simutronics", I replied. I'll be sleeping on the couch for awhile.
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Re: Is it time on 11/28/2008 08:35 AM CST
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Survival:
scouting
perception
climbing
swimming
hiding
evasion
foraging
stalking
skinning
first aid

All:
scouting
perception
climbing
swimming
hiding
evasion
foraging
leather armor
medium edged
parry ability
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Re: Is it time on 01/08/2009 08:39 PM CST
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I'm late to the game, but was highly interested.

SurvivalAll
climbingclimbing
foragingforaging
scoutingscouting
evasionleathers
perceptionevasion
skinningperception
hidingskinning
swimminghiding
stalkingheavy edged
disarmparry

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Re: Is it time on 01/08/2009 08:53 PM CST
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Just an update here, since I've had some reorgs and a new one come onto the list...

SurvivalAll
StalkingStalking
ClimbingClimbing
ScoutingScouting
HidingHiding
SwimmingHarness
PerceptionSwimming
SkinningPerception
EvasionSkinning
ForagingEvasion
First AidPrimary Magic

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Re: Is it time on 01/08/2009 08:59 PM CST
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Hehe (yes, I still have the file with all you peoples pretty numbers):

SurvivalScoreCountAllScoreCount
Perception24329Perception224.527
Hiding21629Hiding18925
Scouting20829Scouting18127
Climbing16628Climbing12620
Evasion16329Evasion12223
Stalking15427Stalking12118
Foraging12028Harness Ability8519
Swimming11328Foraging7215
Skinning10527Swimming6913
First Aid6824Leather Armor5915
Stealing263Primary Magic5213
Disarm Traps85Skinning5116
Lockpicking43First Aid347
Escaping11Scholarship325
Long Bow306
Medium Edged277
Stealing243
Appraisal214
Power Perceive195
Heavy Edged16.54
Parry Ability116
Short Bow61
Twohanded Edged61
Light Crossbow51
Mechanical Lore32
Shield Usage31
Animal Lore21
Magical Devices21
Multi Opponent11
Vocals11
Escaping00
Disarm Traps00
Lockpicking00

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Re: Is it time on 01/08/2009 09:03 PM CST
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I'm very sad. Not much longer before First Aid is long 4th :/

First Aid: 500 65% learning

Couple more weeks it will become 6th. Couple months it'll be 8th. /sad
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Re: Is it time on 01/10/2009 07:41 PM CST
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Guess I can throw myself into this ring, just for fun.

Survival All
Scouting Scouting
Perception Perception
Foraging Foraging
Swimming Swimming
First Aid Harness
Climbing Scholarship
Hiding Primary Magic
Evasion First Aid
Stalking Medium Edged


~Ranger M.
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Re: Is it time on 01/11/2009 02:19 AM CST
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Cabeyer, that's only top nine, willing to give the top 10 by chance? =)
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Re: Is it time on 01/11/2009 09:30 PM CST
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ack, counting never was my forte. Survival 10th is skinning and overall 10th is climbing.


~Ranger M.
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