>>What's wrong with having 390 ranks of evasion at 100?
I am not sure if this is a joke or not. I consider 5 ranks per circle to be the bare minimum for a Ranger as far as evasion goes, and my character is notoriously bad at defense. The sudden jump of 14 circles has messed me up, but I'll be correcting it before I do more circling.
Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 01:37 PM CST
Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 01:53 PM CST
>I consider 5 ranks per circle to be the bare minimum for a Ranger as far as evasion goes, and my character is notoriously bad at defense. The sudden jump of 14 circles has messed me up
This. I was so focused on getting the requisite 370 primary weapon to hit 100, I wasn't training defenses at all. What's funny though, My shield it 10 ranks higher than my evasion, and given skill-sets, that's sad. Power-circling leads to poorly trained characters, but that 100th benchmark was to tempting. Back to a more balance approach.
Celpeze in Shard plzkthx
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
Tolle says, "Yup yup, 'bout time. What the heck took you so long?"
This. I was so focused on getting the requisite 370 primary weapon to hit 100, I wasn't training defenses at all. What's funny though, My shield it 10 ranks higher than my evasion, and given skill-sets, that's sad. Power-circling leads to poorly trained characters, but that 100th benchmark was to tempting. Back to a more balance approach.
Celpeze in Shard plzkthx
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
Tolle says, "Yup yup, 'bout time. What the heck took you so long?"
Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 02:29 PM CST
Interesting info.
My boards have been boring lately I should come over here more often.
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n142/Sirzason/wmsheet2.jpg
a black panther comes flying into view! it hits the ground, bouncing once before sliding to a stop.
A black panther is stunned!
My boards have been boring lately I should come over here more often.
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n142/Sirzason/wmsheet2.jpg
a black panther comes flying into view! it hits the ground, bouncing once before sliding to a stop.
A black panther is stunned!
Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 03:02 PM CST
Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 03:38 PM CST
Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 03:44 PM CST
<<My shield it 10 ranks higher than my evasion, and given skill-sets, that's sad.>>
In my experiences, and personal opinion: Early on, skill-sets are heavily defining. But skill-sets mean less and less, as skills get higher and higher. It effects pool sizes to the point that they're not as differentiated as you'd expect. This is why you start having high level warmages and barbarians who have comptetively comparible skinning, perception, hiding, and evasion skills. And rangers with weapons, lore, and magic as well.
~Van
In my experiences, and personal opinion: Early on, skill-sets are heavily defining. But skill-sets mean less and less, as skills get higher and higher. It effects pool sizes to the point that they're not as differentiated as you'd expect. This is why you start having high level warmages and barbarians who have comptetively comparible skinning, perception, hiding, and evasion skills. And rangers with weapons, lore, and magic as well.
~Van
Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 04:20 PM CST
Survivals
Hiding
Stalking
Perception
Evasion
scouting
climbing
foraging
swimming
skinning
firstaid
Overall
Hiding
Stalking
Perception
Evasion
Scouting
Medium Edge
Climbing
Leather Armor
Foraging
swimming
"So like I said, don't take it personally. All cultures have their share of fools. It's just that we always felt yours had a lot more than ours."
~~Warrior Mage Guild Leader Senfrislor, The Prydaen in Their Own Words~~
Hiding
Stalking
Perception
Evasion
scouting
climbing
foraging
swimming
skinning
firstaid
Overall
Hiding
Stalking
Perception
Evasion
Scouting
Medium Edge
Climbing
Leather Armor
Foraging
swimming
"So like I said, don't take it personally. All cultures have their share of fools. It's just that we always felt yours had a lot more than ours."
~~Warrior Mage Guild Leader Senfrislor, The Prydaen in Their Own Words~~
Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 04:29 PM CST
Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 06:42 PM CST
I thought I would see more longbow in the tops more often, unless I missed it in the other posts.
~Brian/Bahb
Survival | All | |
Comestible Consumption | 1 | Comestible Consumption |
Perception | 2 | Perception |
Scouting | 3 | Scouting |
Foraging | 4 | Foraging |
Evasion | 5 | Scholarship |
Hiding | 6 | Twohanded Edged |
First Aid | 7 | Evasion |
Skinning | 8 | Hiding |
Stalking | 9 | Leather Armor |
Climbing | 10 | First Aid |
Swimming | 11 | Skinning |
~Brian/Bahb
Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 07:19 PM CST
Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 08:08 PM CST
Update:
Notes:
Score is same (10 points for #1, 1 point for #10).
Count refers to how many times it shows up in top 10.
Count for All is short by 2, b/c of the silly people with tied skills. I gave half of each of the tied skills to the Score though, so it matches.
23 responses so far (RANGERS).
Things:
Perception is #1 so far (?!!?).
Still only the one person with escape as a top 10 survival.
I'm still the only one with Multi Opponent in my to 10 overall. =)
MD, AL, Vocals, Shield, LX, 2HE, SB are others that have only one representing.
Scouting is number 3. You guys/gals are insane. Or I suck.
Poor evasion is down to 5th. Ouch.
6 people with LB (I'm sure not one, it's well below my defenses).
Fun. More people please, nag your friends.
Notes:
Score is same (10 points for #1, 1 point for #10).
Count refers to how many times it shows up in top 10.
Count for All is short by 2, b/c of the silly people with tied skills. I gave half of each of the tied skills to the Score though, so it matches.
23 responses so far (RANGERS).
Survival | Score | Count | All | Score | Count |
Perception | 192 | 23 | Perception | 174.5 | 21 |
Hiding | 185 | 23 | Hiding | 170 | 21 |
Scouting | 159 | 23 | Scouting | 133 | 21 |
Stalking | 138 | 22 | Stalking | 114 | 17 |
Evasion | 128 | 23 | Evasion | 94 | 18 |
Climbing | 117 | 22 | Harness Ability | 79 | 16 |
Swimming | 90 | 22 | Climbing | 78 | 14 |
Foraging | 83 | 22 | Swimming | 55 | 10 |
Skinning | 83 | 22 | Primary Magic | 50 | 12 |
First Aid | 56 | 19 | Leather Armor | 39 | 10 |
Stealing | 26 | 3 | Skinning | 38 | 13 |
Lockpicking | 4 | 3 | Foraging | 38 | 9 |
Disarm Traps | 3 | 2 | Scholarship | 32 | 5 |
Escaping | 1 | 1 | Long Bow | 30 | 6 |
Total | 1265 | 230 | First Aid | 29 | 6 |
Stealing | 24 | 3 | |||
Medium Edged | 16 | 4 | |||
Power Perceive | 14 | 4 | |||
Appraisal | 12 | 3 | |||
Heavy Edged | 8.5 | 2 | |||
Parry Ability | 8 | 3 | |||
Short Bow | 6 | 1 | |||
Twohanded Edged | 6 | 1 | |||
Light Crossbow | 5 | 1 | |||
Mechanical Lore | 3 | 2 | |||
Shield Usage | 3 | 1 | |||
Animal Lore | 2 | 1 | |||
Magical Devices | 2 | 1 | |||
Multi Opponent | 1 | 1 | |||
Vocals | 1 | 1 | |||
Escaping | 0 | 0 | |||
Disarm Traps | 0 | 0 | |||
Lockpicking | 0 | 0 | |||
Total | 1265 | 228 |
Things:
Perception is #1 so far (?!!?).
Still only the one person with escape as a top 10 survival.
I'm still the only one with Multi Opponent in my to 10 overall. =)
MD, AL, Vocals, Shield, LX, 2HE, SB are others that have only one representing.
Scouting is number 3. You guys/gals are insane. Or I suck.
Poor evasion is down to 5th. Ouch.
6 people with LB (I'm sure not one, it's well below my defenses).
Fun. More people please, nag your friends.
Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 09:26 PM CST
<<Perception is #1 so far (?!!?).>>
It's funny that this happened. I think a long while ago, I suggested that Rangers should be a perception focused guild. I think I also made a comment about this when Z was taking suggestions on what our hard req survival should be. In fact, this chart makes me want to resuggest these ideas.....
~Van
It's funny that this happened. I think a long while ago, I suggested that Rangers should be a perception focused guild. I think I also made a comment about this when Z was taking suggestions on what our hard req survival should be. In fact, this chart makes me want to resuggest these ideas.....
~Van
Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 09:49 PM CST
Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 10:00 PM CST
>>It's funny that this happened. I think a long while ago, I suggested that Rangers should be a perception focused guild. I think I also made a comment about this when Z was taking suggestions on what our hard req survival should be. In fact, this chart makes me want to resuggest these ideas.....
Perceptions my 5th-6th survival (alternates with swim)! /cry
Perceptions my 5th-6th survival (alternates with swim)! /cry
Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 10:31 PM CST
I was always pretty perception heavy. It was my way to counter to all the hiders. I focused mostly on evasion and perception back when I was younger. Spending much time standing around at the bank, when you could learn really well that way.
Then hiding became really useful, and sniping was released. Thus started my attempts to work more hiding.
~Van
Then hiding became really useful, and sniping was released. Thus started my attempts to work more hiding.
~Van
Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 10:35 PM CST
Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 11:11 PM CST
Re: Is it time on 11/26/2008 11:38 PM CST
Overall:
1 Scouting
2 Perception
3 Climbing
4 Foraging
5 Swimming
6 Power Perceive
7 Medium Edged
8 Harness Ability
9 Primary Magic
10 Evasion
Survival:
1 Scouting
2 Perception
3 Climbing
4 Foraging
5 Swimming
6 Evasion
7 Hiding
8 Skinning
9 First Aid
10 Stalking
Yeah. I'm weird like that.
-=Dirge. You gotta lava it.=-
"Traders do not shriek like little girls and worry about magic cooties." GM Armifer
1 Scouting
2 Perception
3 Climbing
4 Foraging
5 Swimming
6 Power Perceive
7 Medium Edged
8 Harness Ability
9 Primary Magic
10 Evasion
Survival:
1 Scouting
2 Perception
3 Climbing
4 Foraging
5 Swimming
6 Evasion
7 Hiding
8 Skinning
9 First Aid
10 Stalking
Yeah. I'm weird like that.
-=Dirge. You gotta lava it.=-
"Traders do not shriek like little girls and worry about magic cooties." GM Armifer
Re: Is it time on 11/27/2008 01:14 AM CST
>I consider 5 ranks per circle to be the bare minimum for a Ranger as far as evasion goes, and my character is notoriously bad at defense. The sudden jump of 14 circles has messed me up
>This. I was so focused on getting the requisite 370 primary weapon to hit 100, I wasn't training defenses at all. What's funny though, My shield it 10 ranks higher than my evasion, and given skill-sets, that's sad. Power-circling leads to poorly trained characters, but that 100th benchmark was to tempting. Back to a more balance approach.
Oh, ok. I just looked at the ranger requirements at 100 and saw that primary survival needed to be 430 (old and new) while primary weapon needed to be 440 (old) and 370 (new). It didn't seem that far off to me.
Also, 5 ranks of evasion per circle, minimum? Those are some high standards.
Nikpack
Climbing List:http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Climbing_skill
Swimming List:http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Swimming_skill
And while I am evil, I try to avoid being just plain mean.
-Z
>This. I was so focused on getting the requisite 370 primary weapon to hit 100, I wasn't training defenses at all. What's funny though, My shield it 10 ranks higher than my evasion, and given skill-sets, that's sad. Power-circling leads to poorly trained characters, but that 100th benchmark was to tempting. Back to a more balance approach.
Oh, ok. I just looked at the ranger requirements at 100 and saw that primary survival needed to be 430 (old and new) while primary weapon needed to be 440 (old) and 370 (new). It didn't seem that far off to me.
Also, 5 ranks of evasion per circle, minimum? Those are some high standards.
Nikpack
Climbing List:http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Climbing_skill
Swimming List:http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Swimming_skill
And while I am evil, I try to avoid being just plain mean.
-Z
Re: Is it time on 11/27/2008 01:28 AM CST
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Re: Is it time on 11/27/2008 01:03 PM CST
>My standard for hiding is a bare minimum of 6 per circle.
This is what I do as well for hiding and stalking.
I generally try to get 7 ranks of perception per circle. Usually I get bored and get about 6.5.
I don't really set a specific goal for defenses; I just try to keep them ahead of my weapons.
____________
Satfiki wipes a bit of Rmel's spittle from her arm.
This is what I do as well for hiding and stalking.
I generally try to get 7 ranks of perception per circle. Usually I get bored and get about 6.5.
I don't really set a specific goal for defenses; I just try to keep them ahead of my weapons.
____________
Satfiki wipes a bit of Rmel's spittle from her arm.
Re: Is it time on 11/27/2008 01:55 PM CST
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Top 10 All:
Perception
Appraisal
Hiding
Stalking
Skinning
Scouting
Foraging
Climbing
Leather Armor
Swimming
Top 10 Survival:
Perception
Hiding
Stalking
Skinning
Scouting
Foraging
Climbing
Swimming
Evasion
First Aid
Gahlron Dragon'Claws
Ranger
Today my wife asked me when I was going to clean the patio. I said "Soon", to which she replied, "Who's version of soon? Yours or mine?
"Simutronics", I replied. I'll be sleeping on the couch for awhile.
Perception
Appraisal
Hiding
Stalking
Skinning
Scouting
Foraging
Climbing
Leather Armor
Swimming
Top 10 Survival:
Perception
Hiding
Stalking
Skinning
Scouting
Foraging
Climbing
Swimming
Evasion
First Aid
Gahlron Dragon'Claws
Ranger
Today my wife asked me when I was going to clean the patio. I said "Soon", to which she replied, "Who's version of soon? Yours or mine?
"Simutronics", I replied. I'll be sleeping on the couch for awhile.
Re: Is it time on 11/28/2008 08:35 AM CST
Re: Is it time on 01/08/2009 08:39 PM CST
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Re: Is it time on 01/08/2009 08:59 PM CST
Hehe (yes, I still have the file with all you peoples pretty numbers):
Survival | Score | Count | All | Score | Count |
Perception | 243 | 29 | Perception | 224.5 | 27 |
Hiding | 216 | 29 | Hiding | 189 | 25 |
Scouting | 208 | 29 | Scouting | 181 | 27 |
Climbing | 166 | 28 | Climbing | 126 | 20 |
Evasion | 163 | 29 | Evasion | 122 | 23 |
Stalking | 154 | 27 | Stalking | 121 | 18 |
Foraging | 120 | 28 | Harness Ability | 85 | 19 |
Swimming | 113 | 28 | Foraging | 72 | 15 |
Skinning | 105 | 27 | Swimming | 69 | 13 |
First Aid | 68 | 24 | Leather Armor | 59 | 15 |
Stealing | 26 | 3 | Primary Magic | 52 | 13 |
Disarm Traps | 8 | 5 | Skinning | 51 | 16 |
Lockpicking | 4 | 3 | First Aid | 34 | 7 |
Escaping | 1 | 1 | Scholarship | 32 | 5 |
Long Bow | 30 | 6 | |||
Medium Edged | 27 | 7 | |||
Stealing | 24 | 3 | |||
Appraisal | 21 | 4 | |||
Power Perceive | 19 | 5 | |||
Heavy Edged | 16.5 | 4 | |||
Parry Ability | 11 | 6 | |||
Short Bow | 6 | 1 | |||
Twohanded Edged | 6 | 1 | |||
Light Crossbow | 5 | 1 | |||
Mechanical Lore | 3 | 2 | |||
Shield Usage | 3 | 1 | |||
Animal Lore | 2 | 1 | |||
Magical Devices | 2 | 1 | |||
Multi Opponent | 1 | 1 | |||
Vocals | 1 | 1 | |||
Escaping | 0 | 0 | |||
Disarm Traps | 0 | 0 | |||
Lockpicking | 0 | 0 |
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