More Mindless Ramblings on 01/05/2005 04:08 AM CST
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Alright I've finally got a little more information for you guys. Starting at zero ranks again both novices had 10 in every stat. Novice A had 18 wisdom and Novice B had 18 intelligence. It was the most I could get with the TDP's I had. Calissa taught for 8 minutes once again and the two guys hopped into hiding and waited for clear to hit.

Novice A(18 wisdom): Medium Edged: 5 64.51% clear
Scholarship: 3 31.75% clear
Novice B(18 intelligence): Medium Edged: 5 93.91% clear
Scholarship: 3 14.92% clear

Now that was a bit odd. I'm not real sure what to make of the relationship between the two as the intelligent guy learned more of the skill being taught but the wise guy learned more scholarship. Any thoughts?

The mind behind Calissa
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Re: More Mindless Ramblings on 01/05/2005 07:57 AM CST
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I would say the difference is Weapon is secondary, so the pool is bigger. Wisdom pulse sizes are bigger so it might affect the tert skill more. Did that make sense?


Pep


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Re: More Mindless Ramblings on 01/05/2005 08:16 AM CST
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So you could either teach them both a lore skill (not animal lore), or make them into thieves, paladins, clerics or moon mages which have both weapon and lore secondary. This is an interesting test. :)

Zenayda
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Re: More Mindless Ramblings on 01/05/2005 08:25 AM CST
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<<Now that was a bit odd. I'm not real sure what to make of the relationship between the two as the intelligent guy learned more of the skill being taught but the wise guy learned more scholarship. Any thoughts?

You may be neglecting other variables. There could be a roll involved. Maybe characters have biorhythms that are factored into our actions, that would be very interesting.

Sylvado

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Re: More Mindless Ramblings on 01/05/2005 11:20 AM CST
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Well, not to state the obvious, but perhaps wisdom is tied directly to scholarship, while intelligence affects the learning of the skill you are being taught? I honestly can't think of any other reason it would be doing that.

Mole


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Re: More Mindless Ramblings on 01/05/2005 01:44 PM CST
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The only difference between the two was one's intelligence and wisdom. So the link had to be there. Wisdom must have a larger affect on secondary skills. Meaning if you forage you also learn a bit of perception so if you had higher wisdom then perhaps you'd get a little more perception out of the foraging than if you had greater intelligence. The difference may be technical versus applied knowledge. Wisdom may allow you to traslate the information to experience better when it's not directly affected by the act. The intelligent person gets more foraging but the wise person learns more perception. Since they were both rangers the pools sizes for scholarships should be the same. Maybe I'll replay the experiment again. It's time to reroll as I've used all the TDP's=) I wonder if I could get a special allotment of them...

Calissa Mindless Mind
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Re: More Mindless Ramblings on 01/05/2005 03:50 PM CST
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It is because wis and int do two different things. If you kept the skill mind locked at all times instead of draining it down completely, the one with wis would learn much better.


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Re: More Mindless Ramblings on 01/05/2005 07:26 PM CST
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Wisdom seems to increase pulse size so if you were able to lock a skill and keep it there then yes you would learn faster that way. However I think Intelligence translates the field experience (i.e. the muddled, mind locked etc.) better, allowing a greater net gain. So higher intelligence works well with skills you may work long enough to mind lock then forget about until you decide to work it again. Wisdom will work better with skills you work hard regularly such as combat for us.
So the skills that I consider to be important to have a high intelligence would be those like foraging, first aid, lockpicking, disarm, many lore skills, climbing and swimming. Basically those skills that you'll work hard for short periods of time. These are the ones that intelligence will net you the greatest gains. Of course if you are the type that can work these skills into your routine and keep the mindstate high, I'd say wisdom is the way to go.
Wisdom will work better for those skills that you work constantly and can keep the pool close to full for extended periods of time such as many combat skills, skinning, magic , if you use it a lot, and others like that.

In a nutshell, if you can lock the skill quick and keep it there you can increase wisdom a bit. However if you can't lock the skill for any length of time or don't want to then increase intelligence.

I'm going to see what I can find out about disipline now. Gotta visit an inn now=)

Calissa
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Re: More Mindless Ramblings on 01/05/2005 08:06 PM CST
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Might I suggest a similar test this time keeping wisdom the same, and spending all the tdps on discipline for one, and intelligence the other? Keep up the great work.

Mole


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Re: More Mindless Ramblings on 01/06/2005 05:52 AM CST
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One other think Mole and I talked about. Even with just teaching it is possible to lock a skill when the youngster is very young. You might check each kiddo after each teaching pulse to find out if the are locked. That might have an effect. My theory is that the higher intel one will lock later.


Pep


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Re: More Mindless Ramblings on 01/06/2005 01:51 PM CST
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You may want to look at Data Realms
They seem to have some info on Int and Wisdom

http://www24.brinkster.com/sherleydr/

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Re: More Mindless Ramblings on 01/11/2005 11:52 AM CST
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That data realms site shows that pulses occur every 320 seconds...I believe it is 3 minutes 20 seconds...or 200 seconds. I timed it a long time ago and that is what I came up with of course that may have changed.


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Re: More Mindless Ramblings on 01/11/2005 12:00 PM CST
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<<That data realms site shows that pulses occur every 320 seconds...I believe it is 3 minutes 20 seconds...or 200 seconds. I timed it a long time ago and that is what I came up with of course that may have changed.

200 seconds is correct. Not all skills are on the same timeline... but all pulse after 200 seconds from its last pulse.

-Jari
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