Bad Names on 06/22/2003 12:57 AM CDT
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03/12/03 Chanessah Laszerman
03/12/03 Cleengon Fussbuztar

-- Jansan

Names such as "Chainsaw Laserman" or "Klingon Fuzzbuster" are inappropriate.
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Re: Bad Names on 06/22/2003 12:37 PM CDT
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You see Sister Cheetahara Razorclaws of Elanthia, a Prydaen Cleric.

Saw someone named Cleocatra too. <twitches>

These kinda names are not appropriate for Prydaen.

~Akashera

"Nothing is so strong as gentleness; Nothing is so gentle as real strength."
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Re: Bad Names on 06/22/2003 12:59 PM CDT
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Mother Praise GlorySong, A cleric.

Comon!


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Re: Bad Names on 06/22/2003 01:52 PM CDT
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>> These kinda names are not appropriate for Prydaen.

Says who? If I wanted to name my Prydaen Necromancer Snuffledumpkins Kittykatkatchoo, who's to say it isn't appropriate for Prydaens? (for the race, not the game)...

Plus, I'd give him a ball of yarn 'n pink ribbons... and he'd walk around wearing his title...




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Re: Bad Names on 06/22/2003 05:20 PM CDT
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>Mother Praise GlorySong, A cleric.<

Nothing wrong with Praise. I always loved her name.

Telynn
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Re: Bad Names on 06/23/2003 04:45 PM CDT
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<<Mother Praise GlorySong, A cleric.>>

A) That name is fine.
B) Praise has been around for quite some time.


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Re: Bad Names on 06/23/2003 11:49 PM CDT
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>><<Mother Praise GlorySong, A cleric.>><<

Praise has been around for as long as I can remember, and I always liked her name. I just figured she was an orphan raised by the church or something.


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Re: Bad Names on 06/24/2003 01:00 PM CDT
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<<I would not want to live in a universe small and boring enough for me to comprehend it.>>

Couldn't tell if this was your signature or part of your post. ; ) The cosmos are one thing, bad names are another.

Look, names are just too subjective. They will always be a gray area, determined at the whim of the GMs online at the time. Report a bad one, just know it may very well stick around.

Oswyn
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Re: Bad Names on 06/24/2003 01:36 PM CDT
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I don't know how many name threads are going on right now in different folders about the boards, but can't they all be condensed in the Equine Cemetary or something?

~player of Gulphphunger
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Re: Bad Names on 06/24/2003 02:26 PM CDT
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<<These kinda names are not appropriate for Prydaen.

<<Says who? If I wanted to name my Prydaen Necromancer Snuffledumpkins Kittykatkatchoo, who's to say it isn't appropriate for Prydaens? (for the race, not the game)...

<<Plus, I'd give him a ball of yarn 'n pink ribbons... and he'd walk around wearing his title...

And that is something you are more then welcome to do but also know that there are a good deal of Prydaen who won't even acknowledge folks with names like that. ;)

~Akashera

"Nothing is so strong as gentleness; Nothing is so gentle as real strength."
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Re: Bad Names on 06/24/2003 11:03 PM CDT
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Actually, I think if Praise wasn't a really lovely character IG and wasn't around for awhile, we'd probably somewhat agree that the name, for a cleric, is actually bad. :)

Not as bad as many bad names, but still up there on the "rolls her/his eyes" scale. Just because of the name and how it's associated with the guild.

But once we know a character, the name means less when they come through in spades.

Just to be fair...

Pam




D-E-P-A-R-T is very easy to spell. You should try it sometime.
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Re: Bad Names on 06/24/2003 11:19 PM CDT
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<< we'd probably somewhat agree that the name, for a cleric, is actually bad. :)>>

Well...not me.


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Re: Bad Names on 06/24/2003 11:31 PM CDT
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>>Pam>>Actually, I think if Praise wasn't a really lovely character IG and wasn't around for awhile, we'd probably somewhat agree that the name, for a cleric, is actually bad. :)

Why? I liken it to how some RL women were named things like Charity, Hope or Blossom. It might not be my choice for a name, but I don't see anything wrong with someone else using it.

~~~Krin
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Re: Bad Names on 06/25/2003 12:01 AM CDT
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..k, lemme get out of the hunting area so I can write long stuff and not die...

I got into an unheated discussion about names with a friend over this. :) I'm willing to allow that there is some room for maneuvering in the choice of names.

Some may think I don't happen to like the name Praise Glorysong... I thought was a lovely name when I first met her IG. Still like her name...

My wording could have been better on my earlier post since it clearly led to some slight misunderstanding. I blame that on having a bunch of adan'f on me and being distracted. :) When I say somewhat bad, I don't mean BAD = horrible. Some names aren't "bad" like some names which are entirely too unbelievable but maybe some may have....roll your eyes qualities. Roll your eyes quality doesn't mean a name is necessarily terrible. It just means you rolled your eyes and went "Typical!"

After the original post about this name, I had gotten to thinking about why we deem something a bad name or a good name. Suffice it to say, my friend and I agreed to disagree on this issue.

While I do see her point, in that "Praise" is like naming your child "Hope" irl..whereas a name like "Softtouch" is more a phrase than a name....

Nevertheless, I feel that a lot of our views on what makes a good name or bad name in DR is mildly prejudiced.

It's okay to name your character something that a halfling, for example, would be crazy about, name them after devotional rituals...etc...something not directly related to a guild activity...But it's not okay to name your character after activities like raising for clerics, ANYTHING cat-based for prydaens, or anything to do with empath healing...? Why?

Doesn't that seem a bit strange that we'd make allowances for names based on indirect activities, but immediately spit on names that deal with controversial issues (like raising and healing or cat-people)?

How would you feel about the name? Bearing in mind these names (separately) are probably already taken. :)
Hope Lifebringer for a cleric
Carissa Gentlehands for an empath
Purdy Sharpclaw for a male prydaen (Btw, Purdy is a RL name)

By the standard set, I think they're lovely names, but due to gaming perspectives and controversies, I'm sure some of you'd roll your eyes. :P Why? Because of our DR gaming history.

I suppose I'll agree that some names are deemed okay...by DR society. :)

But I'm still going to question our sociological influences on this. Why is one acceptable but not the other...? It's a pickle all right.

Honie Deelite aka Pam



D-E-P-A-R-T is very easy to spell. You should try it sometime.
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Re: Bad Names on 06/25/2003 12:06 AM CDT
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<punch Krin> I'm not talking about SINGLE first name-only here..I'm talking about the name taken as a whole.

I'm not going to repeat the name because it's NOT about HER name, as far as I'm concerned. It's about name creation as a whole and a player's perspective.

Sniekly Shadowspun aka Pam



D-E-P-A-R-T is very easy to spell. You should try it sometime.
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Re: Bad Names on 06/25/2003 02:31 PM CDT
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>Why? I liken it to how some RL women were named things like Charity, Hope or Blossom.

In my humble opinion, the name isn't OOC (though I can see arguments). It could be a real name. People can have nicknames too, certainly, even if that isn't her real name. Maybe she took it since she is a very devoted Cleric.

I agree with people who don't like the name. But that's because I just don't like it, not that I think its OOC. I'm not a fan of Charity, Hope, or Blossom either. While I think they are nice enough words on their own right, I wouldn't use any of those as names for my daughter (if I had a daughter, which I do not).

As for the person herself, I do not know her, and from what I hear she is a very nice person. And I mean no offense; I'm sure many people don't like Jansan either.

Its all just preference and opinion. And sometimes its hard to tell where on the part of a line a name sits between nickname and OOC.

Unless your name is DrKillsYouDead. Or Honeybabes. ^_~

-- Jansan
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Re: Bad Names on 06/25/2003 02:59 PM CDT
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When I picked the name Eyedrop for my gnomic trader, I thought this was very good name for a small little gnome. And at the time I first started playing this charcter, most people in game would tell me how cute the name was. Well, that was a long time ago. Since then, there have been more folk who are name critics, and yesterday they seemed to be out in force criticizing my character's name in person or on the gweth. One person told me they thought the name was out of genre. I think the name Eyedrop is no more out of genre for Dragonrealms than the name Blackbeard was during the period of the renisance, and I don't see the name Eyedrop as being all that different from the name Balckbeard; being how they are both a noun/adjactive combination.

Some of those of 'the army of bad names assassins', who seem to be an organized group of folk who's goal is to annoy those whose names that they do not like, have told me that they feel the name Eyedrop spoils the atmosphere of the game. I bet it doesn't spoil the atmosphere nearly as much as it does for me to be practically harrassed by a few dictating folk in the game for my charcter having the name.


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Re: Bad Names on 06/25/2003 03:02 PM CDT
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Stupid names are fine. This is mainly because 'stupid' is generally subjective.

It's the names that are spelled horribly because someone else already claimed them that I hate.

Hope is fine. Hoeppe, Hhope, and so on aren't.
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Re: Bad Names on 06/25/2003 06:43 PM CDT
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<<People can have nicknames too, certainly, even if that isn't her real name>>

And there, my friend, is the key. Anyone with a stupid name can say "oh, it's just a nickname" and it will be fine because you can't step on anyone's RP'ing. ::rolls eyes::
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Re: Bad Names on 06/26/2003 02:29 AM CDT
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>It's the names that are spelled horribly because someone else already claimed them that I hate.

I cannot be teh Purblaad? Och!
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Re: Bad Names on 06/26/2003 01:44 PM CDT
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Of course some of us picked bad names long ago, and still regret it <g>

Blaayd


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Re: Bad Names on 06/26/2003 03:58 PM CDT
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whats wrong with Blossom? That happens to be the name of my Elven Ranger.

Source: Many years ago when I was in Junior High our local theatre put on a play, called "Antic Spring". I was cast as "Blossom", a character in that play. And she is played similar to that character...as a rather flighty but mischeivous teenage <well, she IS young for an elf!> girl who has a liking for adventure, the woods, and that sort of thing.


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Nor the ear filled with hearing.
That which hath been is that
which shall be,
And that which hath been done is that
which shall be done;
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Re: Bad Names on 06/26/2003 10:15 PM CDT
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>whats wrong with Blossom? That happens to be the name of my Elven Ranger.

Oh, no offense intended, like I said it is a fine word, its perfectly in character, and for a character like what you described, it is actually very much fitting. ^_^

I just meant its not one that automatically appeals to me. Just a preference thing, thats all.

-- Jansan

"Computer games don't affect kids negatively; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc. 1988
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Re: Bad Names on 06/27/2003 12:02 AM CDT
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<<I think the name Eyedrop is no more out of genre for Dragonrealms than the name Blackbeard was during the period of the renisance>>

I wasnt the one who told you the name Eyedrop is out of genre, but now that you mention it, i agree with whoever told you that. There was never such thing as Eyedrops back in medieval days.

Solomon wouldnt allow me to name my mule character Cootip Swabb, why should you be allowed to have Eyedrop? They are both personal hygiene products. And Cootip Swabb is MUCH cooler. :)

I dont like most of the names out there, but I do manage to find more important things to worry about.

But in-game, Miilo will tell someone if he thinks they have a stupid name and most likely make fun of it. It's his nature and how i play the character.

When you chose the name Eyedrop you knew it would be controversial and that about 90% of the realms would think its stupid. You managed to keep the name....congrats! But you should also be willing to accept any and all insults you receive in-game for having that name.


THE Miilo

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Re: Bad Names on 06/27/2003 12:51 PM CDT
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of course there were eyedrops in medieval days, they may not be the eyedrops like we have today but at least some folk had eyes that looked dropped on their face if not at least drops that were put in eyes or a quanity associated as such.

Besides, choclate chip cookies are a 20th centry invention, yet the game has them, but I still don't consider this out of genre for a medieval fantasy game. It's not the actual history, but what most of us tend to associate with this time period in order to lend a certain atmosphere.


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Re: Bad Names on 06/27/2003 03:19 PM CDT
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I couldn't name my Ranger the name of Arwe, Middle English for arrow. There's no rule book when it comes to names, it's ALL subjective. I still think the wording in the CM needs to be changed accordingly. Take out "medieval" if folks aren't going to be caught for not sticking to that.

Oswyn (yes, another 14th century name)
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Re: Bad Names on 07/01/2003 08:11 PM CDT
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<<Your mind hears Julliete thinking, "Where for art thou Nighjel?">>

::cough::


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Re: Bad Names on 07/03/2003 01:48 PM CDT
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To say nothing of the fact that wherefor means 'why'. Juiliette and Nighjel are perfectly good names, by the way.

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Re: Bad Names on 07/03/2003 06:54 PM CDT
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<<Nighjel>>

Marginal, in my book. Why wouldn't his parents have just named him Nigel? Wait, wait, I know.....it's because there was already a Nigel in his village and to avoid confusion........

Never underestimate the power of rationalization.


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Re: Bad Names on 07/03/2003 06:59 PM CDT
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<<You see Psychagray Sslider>>

I wish I hadn't.


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Re: Bad Names on 07/04/2003 07:45 AM CDT
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<<of course there were eyedrops in medieval days, they may not be the eyedrops like we have today but at least some folk had eyes that looked dropped on their face if not at least drops that were put in eyes or a quanity associated as such.

<<Besides, choclate chip cookies are a 20th centry invention, yet the game has them, but I still don't consider this out of genre for a medieval fantasy game. It's not the actual history, but what most of us tend to associate with this time period in order to lend a certain atmosphere

First of all, please don't jump all over this post by latching on to what is NOT intended. I merely want to point out that people are forever jumping on names and other such things as not being IC for the time period, era, or whatever you want to call the atmosphere that makes the DR roleplaying experience. We all tend to think of it as some kind of medieval era on steroids. If this is going to be strictly upheld by all the roleplayers, then start by treating all those same sex relationships that are so flagrant out there the way that they would have been treated back in those times. The rich and powerful got away with it, but it was never thrown in the face of the populace. Never were there marriages between same sex. So... why does no one carry on about it here? Because it would be seen as harassment of those who in "real life" are in same sex relationships. I have no problem with this in real life. No problem in game really, because if I don't like the atmosphere somewhere, I move on. If I am not roleplaying, then who cares? If I am, then I can act appalled and leave. The problem is with the hypocrits who are ready to bash anything they see as conflicting with the rp of the time period, but never say a thing about this.

Now, hopefully no one is going to get all offended and call me a homophobe or anything. It is about the roleplay and the constant criticism. Names are such insignificant things if you can overlook other things so easily. If we can overlook this, why not just let everyone have the fun that made us all addicts of DragonRealms so many years ago? Who cares what someone's goofy parents named their kid? Good Lord, my real life daughter-in-law wants to name her baby Charisma.<<shudders>> Do you think I am going to hold it against my granddaughter? I will just roll my eyes and think what a ditz my son married, and thank the gods that she makes him happy.

I will admit that I am not the best roleplayer out there. I try, but sometimes I get very lost. I know that other people are in the same boat as I am. We want to get the most out of the experience, but don't know how. My characters have never been good at relationships of any kind, because they don't know how to get them started. Probably because my real life soul is a bit socially backwards at times. It doesn't mean I don't want to, just that I am a bit ignorant in that aspect of game play. So, I constantly try to improve. But people cannot wake up one day and say... oops, bad name choice, let's change it. Can they? Without rerolling and losing everything? So lighten up. Have fun. If it hurts so bad, stop playing. Life hands us enough grief without looking for it here.

Eranar
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Re: Bad Names on 07/04/2003 08:15 AM CDT
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things that were and did occur in medieval times on Earth are not necessarily the same as Elanthia.

Yes, the names are and should be "medieval" in flavor.

but you don't have in Elanthia such things as racial ,religious wars, the inquisition, witch-burnings, nor the same attitude towards same-sex relationships as were extant in that time-frame on earth. If you did, you'd have to get rid of 7 out of the 10 guilds, as they use magic and magic on earth was thought to be evil/satanic/bad etc.


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Nor the ear filled with hearing.
That which hath been is that
which shall be,
And that which hath been done is that
which shall be done;
And there is nothing new under the sun.
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Re: Bad Names on 07/04/2003 10:14 AM CDT
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Very good point and one I would not even attempt to refute. I just wish the tolerance would extend a little further. While there are some, I would guess, who make up a name to be obnoxious, I bet most just don't have the imagination to find a suitable name and just want to play. If it isn't offensive, let it be. Or as Bill and Ted said - "Be excellent to one another" (Sorry, just made my 15 year old watch it for the first time, couldn't resist)

At any rate, just wanted to say my piece originally, and concede that you are right in your post. We could not have Elanthia without departing from "true" medieval earth. Thanks for pointing that out.

Eranar
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Re: Bad Names on 07/05/2003 12:00 AM CDT
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Not that I disagree with your general point, but...


<<but you don't have in Elanthia such things as racial ,religious wars, the inquisition, witch-burnings,

Human-Elven War

I'll concede religious war, but it COULD happen.


Inquisition/WitchBurnings,..we've definitely gotten a STRONG impression that 800 years ago Shifting Empaths were persecuted horribly. ..So much so that the Imperial Healer's Guild was shut down/destroyed. It wasn't just the choice of the Empath Elders to keep it quiet.

One could also argue that the outlawing of sorcery and the persecution and execution of those who refused was also a type of Witch Hunt.

Just wanted to bring those up.

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Re: Bad Names on 07/05/2003 04:39 AM CDT
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>>but you don't have in Elanthia such things as racial [wars]...<<

Human-Elven wars?

>>...religious wars...<<

The dragon worshippers?

>>...the inquisition...<<

The (original) Children of Kaelstraum. Shifting.

>>...witch-burnings...<<

Well, technically correct. Tezirah was hanged.

>>nor the same attitude towards same-sex relationships as were extant in that time-frame on earth.<<

Granted.

>>If you did, you'd have to get rid of 7 out of the 10 guilds, as they use magic and magic on earth was thought to be evil/satanic/bad etc.<<

Lunar magic had a very bad reputation before the Compact got together its buddies and won legitimacy via displaying larges numbers of irrate and oppressed mages. Arcane magic was/is considered evil long after even that.

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Re: Bad Names on 07/07/2003 02:32 AM CDT
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Re: Bad Names on 07/07/2003 02:38 AM CDT
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Sheepish Woolcloth, a Rakash Commoner.

Pam
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Re: Bad Names on 07/07/2003 11:37 AM CDT
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So since everyone seems to talk so bad about bad names, why don't we mention a few of the GOOD names out there. What names do you think are nice ones that seem to fit the realms well? For example, for me I just loved the name of a character I saw a while back named Mortplorgen. I don't know why, I just love how the name tries to roll off my tongue but slips and dies halfway. What names are there you all like?

-Ranik
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Re: Bad Names on 07/07/2003 11:55 AM CDT
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I like Peperic Timarson. Good quality name.


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Re: Bad Names on 07/07/2003 11:58 AM CDT
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Okay and besides your own names obviously. :-P

-Ranik
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