First of all, I hate the term pigeon. To me, a pigeon is a bird. If you have a pigeon, you must be a warmage with a strange familiar... Or maybe pigeons don't even EXIST, i've never seen one.


Your mind hears somewhat_of_a_fool thinking, "So and so, send me a pigeon please, mine is up now"

This should be grounds for a severe thrashing. Let me ask, would it be THAT HORRIBLY TOUGH to say instead... 'So and so, is your messenger awake? If he is, could you send him to visit me? I've some words I need delivered to you in a less public place'

Everyone can have a courier, just pay a small fee and some kid will do your running, that's simple, believable, and doesn't make me want to puke every time i see it.

Your mind hears A_COMPLETE_fool thinking, "Yeah so and so, my pigeon is xDRmagex69, send me a hollar if you want"

The first time I heard something like this (AIM screen name listed in a public thought, with Xs or #s included in it), I was beside myself... What the #*!( kind of roleplaying is this? You can't even TRY to hide it at all? I reported it and was told this is not what report is for, and if THIS kind of OOCness will be tolerated, I don't even want the crossing to EXIST in the same game as me.

That should be grounds for exploding gweths, or a 5 year long mental block to prevent thinking. By the time you're skilled enough to find your first J gweth, or save up enough money to buy it (Assuming you aren't just joefool#2 bought fresh off the DRSales list for $xxx dollars who came with gweths and/or plat), you should have the BASIC CONCEPT that this is a ROLE PLAYING game.

You should also have the sense to realize that is NOT roleplaying. God, if you want AIM convos with somebody, ask em where the hell they are, WALK your lazy tail out to them, then WHISPER them your AIM name and talk to them that way. Don't BROADCAST it to the entire friggin world.

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Parting thought.. I should've just turned mine on, typed in what I heard in the thought, then gone off on them for being so OOC.. But hindsight is 20/20, I was too shocked that he got away with it to do much more then stand there and think 'Oh no he did NOT...'

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The pidgeon part, to me, is fine.

The "My pidgeon's name is EvilBob666" isn't.

I think it would be fun if everybody who was on the gweth at that time and heard the message sent them an IM saying "we don't care about your stupid Im name keep it off the gweth." But then it would only be funny if there were at least thirty people that did that. And somehow there's probably a rule against that sort of things somewhere. I just go with what the last poster said and don't use the gweths.

Raineira

>Courier Pigeons are no more OOC than a messenger. This complaint is really silly.

"Hey kid, go find so and so and give him this message, dammit!"

Yessir! Right away! zooms Humanoid courier.. All you need to move it are words.

Now we're going to be using birds? pigeons? You'd need some kind of training to stuff the message in the leg band, make sure it didn't fall out, not let the bird get away while trying to secure the message, keep it from pecking at you if it's mean, hope and make sure it gets to the target without being eaten or shot or blown out of the sky.

Also, it's a wild animal, not always too too reliable. And I don't think everyone in elanthia (cough, pardon me, every OOC person in elanthia) is trained in the handling of animals... But then again, those kind of roleplayers turn into whatever they want with a few words anyway. "Yeah! I can train and use pigeons for messages!" "Yeah, I got this off a dragon I slew a while ago" "Yup, I was once an evil lich until Hodierna found me one day", etc.


And if you're calling it a messenger pigeon, or a courier pigeon, why not just call it a messenger, or a courier PERIOD?


le-sigh.. At least I don't have to deal with this on the islands, except for when a mainlander comes out to visit. Earlier in ratha today, someone was thinking about the kreela being damaged, the sails were almost trashed, and another pirate schooner was heading towards it, and the people on board didn't have a bodkin or anything...


Your mind hears sum_dum_zolurenite thinking, "*Kreela was just struck down!"


Do people really find this amusing in the crossing?.. Or things like it?

OOCness should get you banned to the fallen.

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I find "pigeons" to be a clever way of putting it. As far posting "pigeon" names on the gweth, that's a bit much.

I'm constantly hearing borderline OOC stuff on the gweth. By biggest pet peeve is whenever Rottcloar logs in, and all of a sudden a zillion people feel the need to gweth "Hello Rottcloar!"

There are two ways to respond. The docile uninvolved way is to do nothing. The more vocal, but non-aggressive way is to say something like, "There is gibberish in my head!"

Telling someone directly they are OOC on a gweth is OOC. But there are ways to say it without being OOC.

--Vyraka--


"Shadet keto bat keta okodaz, ewoz sinoi vitsa Oritai osize epeta sero!"

>>There are two ways to respond. The docile uninvolved way is to do nothing. The more vocal, but non-aggressive way is to say something like, "There is gibberish in my head!"<<

Only time I've felt compelled to question the gibberish was when some folks were talking about sending pigeons to each other...in the middle of a violent snow storm.

Someone had to defend the poor pigeons.

Larcus' Player

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"It's a metaphor of human bloody existence, a dragon. And if that wasn't bad enough, it's also a bloody great hot flying thing." -- Terry Pratchett

>>Rottcloar has IG RPd history with at least 3 of my characters.

He has shown up in many places. Most GMs I would agree are an OOC entity. Rottcloar by interacting with the player as much as he has has become more like one of us.

Yes he still is a GM, but he has brought himself down to a more approachable level.

If I saw some GM names on the gweth I would agree, but the way Rotty has been run I do not find that OOC. Have to agree with others sentiments about statng of IM names does not belong on the gweth.

Brabs


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<<They should not be mentioned on the gweths under any circumstances

Yeah, I have to agree. Just because a GM pops in early in the morning and plays around with you doesn't make them anymore "real" to Elanthia. I played around with Halo all the time in Platinum. But I knew by doing it, I Bridget was playing with her via the body of my character. Syreh had no idea who Halo was.

Anyway, arguing whether GMs are "real" to Elanthia or not probably shouldn't be done in this folder.

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"Shadet keto bat keta okodaz, ewoz sinoi vitsa Oritai osize epeta sero!"

>>Only time I've felt compelled to question the gibberish was when some folks were talking about sending pigeons to each other...in the middle of a violent snow storm.

Someone had to defend the poor pigeons.


Ha! That's GREAT!

I'm not "anal" about it, to use your so charming term. As I said, it's merely a peeve of mine.

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>I don't care how approachable GMs seem to be. They should not be mentioned on the gweths under any circumstances. It's jarring, it's OOC and it has absolutely no place on the gweths.

So you are saying that even though my characters know and have interacted with these people my characters should just pretend they don't exist when they hear them think something on the gweth simply because I, the player, know they are GMs? Shame on you.

My characters don't gweth hello until they hear them in my thoughts, or say hello unless they are in front of one of my characters. I find to gweth hello or something of that nature to be OOC unless I know they are there because they have placed their thoughts in my characters heads, but to ignore them because they are GMs is, in my mind, more OOC than acknowledging the existence of those my characters have known.

>Yeah, I have to agree. Just because a GM pops in early in the morning and plays around with you doesn't make them anymore "real" to Elanthia. I played around with Halo all the time in Platinum. But I knew by doing it, I Bridget was playing with her via the body of my character. Syreh had no idea who Halo was.

If Syreh has met Halo, then she should know who Halo is. The player knowing someone is a GM is totally different from a character knowing the person.

Rottcloar, Quarel and the rest of the GMs will always be accepted as people (instead of OOC GMs) by my characters anytime I am RPing in Elanthia.

~Coine

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GMs and GHs are OOC.

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Man, some of you people really need to lighten up. Is it that hard to pretend something didn't happen? If someone says their IM on the gweth how hard is it to just pretend they didn't?

If someone is discussing last night's football game on the gweth back and forth, I can see where that could be disruptive. But for someone to mention an OOC reference doesn't even occur to me. If it really bothers you so much, don't wear gweth. If you feel you absolutely must wear gweths, wear the cheap kind that are only one when you make them.

Not everyone is a hardcore roleplayer. Not everyone is completely anal about momentary ooc references. As a matter of fact I'm willing to bet at least 75% could care less. But one thing everyone has in common is that they are all paying customers. People who pay to have fun.

Having fun is not the same for everyone. Completely losing myself in another world to the point that I get upset if someone does the slightest thing to remind me that Elanthia isn't real isn't my idea of fun.

Some of you people remind of me of those really annoying little kids that tell on everyone because it just pisses them off that someone is doing something they're not supposed to do. Just lighten up, mind your own damn business and stop whining about what other people do.

Litharius

>>I still stand by what I said before. My characters have too much history with certain GMs in RP situations, -not- with assists, etc. for my characters to all of a sudden ignore them and pretend they don't exist because someone else is of the erroneous opinion that to acknowledge them at all is OOC.

It is not "erroneous". GMs and GHs are OOC entities. GMs exist in OOC situations. If a GM took the time to play with you, bully for them. That does not make them any less an OOC entity. There's no reason to shout out a hello to them on the gweth at any rate.

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>>It is not "erroneous". GMs and GHs are OOC entities. GMs exist in OOC situations. If a GM took the time to play with you, bully for them. That does not make them any less an OOC entity. There's no reason to shout out a hello to them on the gweth at any rate.


I wasn't going to involve myself in this little debate, but I thought I should make a point.

If someone that you, the player, knows as a GM comes into the game and presents themselves to your character in a totally IC (meaning, not coming down as Simu staff) fashion, then it is NOT OOC for your character to acknowledge them. Just because someone works for Simu doesn't mean they don't also play. Try to keep that in mind.





Oh... and I agree. IM names should never be mentioned in public. (Like the gweth, or out loud.)

>Having fun is not the same for everyone. Completely losing myself in another world to the point that I get upset if someone does the slightest thing to remind me that Elanthia isn't real isn't my idea of fun.

And to some, anyone bringing in the slightest mention of the Real World, destroys the fantasy that we pay to be in.

But yes I will agree to to some extent with the gweth problem. Yes, people feel the need to talk via "pigeon" and as long as you keep your talk in-game that I don't have a problem with. Its when your one pigeon is named Jazzsnger579 (that is a made up name) and you blast it across the gweth, then I have a problem with it.

Yes, there is a wonderful solution, squelching certain words, pigeon is a good one to start with.

Qivalon~ Hard Core Role Player


Everyone has his superstitions. One of mine has always been when I started to go anywhere, or to do anything, never to turn back or to stop until the thing intended was accomplished. ~ U.S. Grant

<<If someone that you, the player, knows as a GM comes into the game and presents themselves to your character in a totally IC (meaning, not coming down as Simu staff) fashion, then it is NOT OOC for your character to acknowledge them.

Of course not, that's exactly what GMPCs are for. However, if a GM is present wearing the 'Gamemaster' title (or even without a title using his commonly known GM name, though I don't think I've ever seen one do that), then his interaction is not IC no matter what he says and does, it's an OOC encounter between player and GM that happens to occur in game.

>GMS are OOC entities and I wish the GMs would shatter the gweths of people who feel the need to shout out a hello to a GM on the gweth when they log on.




Your mind hears R(something, rottcloar or rigby) thinking, "Anybody have one of those sigilated platinum rings handy?"

Your mind hears five hundred people say 'Yes' in one form or another.

I agree they are OOC entities, but when they make themselves known to the world through casual conversation... I think they should just be considered a normal citizen though, unless they think something like 'I need a volunteer to teleport up to myself', but they never would.


On another note, approximately one week after I let off a little rant on this, people still don't get it.


Your mind hears foolio thinking, "(foolio's friend)! You must contact me! My pigeon is jadegryphon1, send me a bird!"


At this point, I slapped myself for never having evacuated my old hard-drive onto my new one... I had a really nice ascii drawing of a middle finger I could've IMed over that way..


...well, she did ask to be sent a bird...



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