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This seems like a viable place to put this...
With some posted logs from some of the more veteran thieves, I've noticed that some of them have a Roundtime of 2 seconds on their hiding roundtime. Presently, with 140 some odd hiding I'm hiding at Melee range with a 4 second RT. When can I expect this roundtime to drop? Is it related to hiding ranks? Or hiding ranks and statistics?
I'm assuming it will be soemthing like 250 hiding for a 3 second RT and 450 hiding for a 2 second RT, or at least something to that effect... I ask because it'd be nice to shave some time off of my backstabbing cycle, as in most other scenerios I'm not too concerned with how long it takes me to hide.
<<I was able to get it, with buffs, around 180 (IIRC), in Undershard. (which is urban and underground/dark)>>
underground has the same day/night thingy as above ground.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
underground has the same day/night thingy as above ground.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
<<,underground has the same day/night thingy as above ground.>>
The day/night perk is the same, but there's ALSO an underground/darkness bonus for us in some areas, like Dusk Ogres near Haven, which also functions in US. What I was getting at is 180 + old Khri (I could basically do it straight by the time new khri came out) + night time + Underground = Enough hiding to get the 2 seconds. I was more commening that I was buffed the heck out by where I was hunting when I first started reliably getting the 2 sec RT. Now that I just recently hit 240, and get it all the time now, it's obvious that 240 effective hiding ranks = 2 sec hide RT
The day/night perk is the same, but there's ALSO an underground/darkness bonus for us in some areas, like Dusk Ogres near Haven, which also functions in US. What I was getting at is 180 + old Khri (I could basically do it straight by the time new khri came out) + night time + Underground = Enough hiding to get the 2 seconds. I was more commening that I was buffed the heck out by where I was hunting when I first started reliably getting the 2 sec RT. Now that I just recently hit 240, and get it all the time now, it's obvious that 240 effective hiding ranks = 2 sec hide RT
<<ALSO an underground/darkness bonus for us in some areas, like Dusk Ogres near Haven>>
i don't think its an underground bonus for thieves. I just think its dusk ogres that are not very perceptive in general - i can hide on them with some of my non-thief characters that can't hide on critters of similar combat capabilities <i.e. blood wolves>
<<Because it's a gigantic can of worms. Eldritch, necrotic, squamous worms, writhing in a vile stew of coagulating ichor, crushed from the living gullets of a thousand infant puppies, ululating in wordless terror. - Lorz>>
i don't think its an underground bonus for thieves. I just think its dusk ogres that are not very perceptive in general - i can hide on them with some of my non-thief characters that can't hide on critters of similar combat capabilities <i.e. blood wolves>
<<Because it's a gigantic can of worms. Eldritch, necrotic, squamous worms, writhing in a vile stew of coagulating ichor, crushed from the living gullets of a thousand infant puppies, ululating in wordless terror. - Lorz>>
Well it has been my experience that underground doesn't give a bonus... it is more likely the Urban Bonus, since shard is the city that pretty much has the best urban areas.
now if you were unable to get a 2 sec hide time being above ground in an urban area than i'd go with some underground bonus
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
now if you were unable to get a 2 sec hide time being above ground in an urban area than i'd go with some underground bonus
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
Valid Points. I've always THOUGHT there was an 'underground' bonus, but it could be blind duskies and other bonuses. It'd be interesting if somebody could test it in Shard or somewhere, but I'm now past the point where I could test it. In short, you get the 2 sec RT at 240 effective ranks of hiding, and it is possible for thieves to get this effect below 200 hard ranks, depending on location and buffs.
yeah the 1 sec sneak time also works on effective ranks and not just base ranks so it is a got way to test a few boosts.
stalking a critter gives a variable roundtime now too, so that could be another way to test certain boosts and abilities
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
stalking a critter gives a variable roundtime now too, so that could be another way to test certain boosts and abilities
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
Added stuff here to Elanthipedia. Would anyone with between 60 and 120 ranks, and 120 and 180 ranks confirm that they get 5 and 4 seconds, respectively? That seems to make sense, based on the data, but I'm too lazy to verify with my own characters.
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"Close your eyes -
For your eyes will only tell the truth..
And the truth isn't what you want to see.
In the dark, it is easy to pretend
That the truth is what it ought to be." - Erik Claudin
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"Close your eyes -
For your eyes will only tell the truth..
And the truth isn't what you want to see.
In the dark, it is easy to pretend
That the truth is what it ought to be." - Erik Claudin
<<Added stuff here to Elanthipedia. Would anyone with between 60 and 120 ranks, and 120 and 180 ranks confirm that they get 5 and 4 seconds, respectively? >>
I can confirm with my moon mage that under 120 it is 5 and with shadows it is 4, at 121 it is 4 with shadows still 4.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
I can confirm with my moon mage that under 120 it is 5 and with shadows it is 4, at 121 it is 4 with shadows still 4.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
Addendum to my post.
at 121 hiding a 10 prep 35 mana harness shadows got me to 3 seconds hide, day time.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
at 121 hiding a 10 prep 35 mana harness shadows got me to 3 seconds hide, day time.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
Thanks Yamcer. My feeling is that this is confirmation enough.
Effective ranks - Roundtime in seconds
0 ranks - 6 sec RT.
60 ranks - 5 sec
120 ranks - 4 sec
180 ranks - 3 sec
240 ranks - 2 sec
Does anyone have anything to contradict this?
---
"Close your eyes -
For your eyes will only tell the truth..
And the truth isn't what you want to see.
In the dark, it is easy to pretend
That the truth is what it ought to be." - Erik Claudin
Effective ranks - Roundtime in seconds
0 ranks - 6 sec RT.
60 ranks - 5 sec
120 ranks - 4 sec
180 ranks - 3 sec
240 ranks - 2 sec
Does anyone have anything to contradict this?
---
"Close your eyes -
For your eyes will only tell the truth..
And the truth isn't what you want to see.
In the dark, it is easy to pretend
That the truth is what it ought to be." - Erik Claudin
