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In my constant struggle to upgrade my equipment and such, I've decided my next purchases are going to be crafted weapons. I'm none too concerned about the LE, I'll probably just pick up a jambiya or two when I see them at the crossing tables.
I'm planning on snagging a Sabre for my ME backstabber, but I'm not entirely sure what I should be looking for. Should I be looking for a specific Puncture rating on one? Also, how concerned should I be with the weight? Should I try and keep it under a certain amount of stones? I think you need less than 30 in order for it to be a viable backstabber, but is there any advantage to having a lighter weapon over a heavier one?
IE, if I get a lighter weapon my backstab cycle may be faster, but if its heavier is it going to hit harder?
Also, shoudl I shy away from getting a sabre and get a different crafted ME instead?
Thanks in advance guys.
lighter won't help you stab faster unless you go with weapon type - i.e. ME weapons you'll always get a 3 sec rt when BS'ing, LE will yeild a 1 sec RT.
And the best punture, and well-balanced as you can get is good, keeping it under 30 stones.
Make sure you appraise it, a guilded thief can tell if its "suited for backstab", its in the appraisal of the weapon.
i.e these are the 2 i use most frequently :
>appr my sab careful
A polished black sabre is a medium edged melee-ranged weapon.
The polished black sabre is ill suited, but usable, for backstabbing. <all MEs will give this msg>
You are certain that it could do:
heavy puncture damage
low slice damage
poor impact damage
You are certain that the sabre is reasonably balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the polished black sabre is fairly sturdy, and is in pristine condition.
The polished black sabre is made with metal.
You are certain that the polished black sabre weighs about 25 stones.
You are certain that the polished black sabre is worth exactly 650 kronars.
and my jambiya:
>appr my jamb careful
An ivory-hilted jambiya is a light edged melee-ranged weapon.
The ivory-hilted jambiya is well suited for backstabbing.
You are certain that it could do:
fair puncture damage
fair slice damage
poor impact damage
You are certain that the jambiya is reasonably balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the ivory-hilted jambiya is fairly sturdy, and is in pristine condition.
The ivory-hilted jambiya is made with metal.
You are confident that the ivory-hilted jambiya might weigh a few stones.
You are certain that the ivory-hilted jambiya is worth exactly 500 kronars.
Roundtime: 16 seconds.
<<Because it's a gigantic can of worms. Eldritch, necrotic, squamous worms, writhing in a vile stew of coagulating ichor, crushed from the living gullets of a thousand infant puppies, ululating in wordless terror. - Lorz>>
And the best punture, and well-balanced as you can get is good, keeping it under 30 stones.
Make sure you appraise it, a guilded thief can tell if its "suited for backstab", its in the appraisal of the weapon.
i.e these are the 2 i use most frequently :
>appr my sab careful
A polished black sabre is a medium edged melee-ranged weapon.
The polished black sabre is ill suited, but usable, for backstabbing. <all MEs will give this msg>
You are certain that it could do:
heavy puncture damage
low slice damage
poor impact damage
You are certain that the sabre is reasonably balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the polished black sabre is fairly sturdy, and is in pristine condition.
The polished black sabre is made with metal.
You are certain that the polished black sabre weighs about 25 stones.
You are certain that the polished black sabre is worth exactly 650 kronars.
and my jambiya:
>appr my jamb careful
An ivory-hilted jambiya is a light edged melee-ranged weapon.
The ivory-hilted jambiya is well suited for backstabbing.
You are certain that it could do:
fair puncture damage
fair slice damage
poor impact damage
You are certain that the jambiya is reasonably balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the ivory-hilted jambiya is fairly sturdy, and is in pristine condition.
The ivory-hilted jambiya is made with metal.
You are confident that the ivory-hilted jambiya might weigh a few stones.
You are certain that the ivory-hilted jambiya is worth exactly 500 kronars.
Roundtime: 16 seconds.
<<Because it's a gigantic can of worms. Eldritch, necrotic, squamous worms, writhing in a vile stew of coagulating ichor, crushed from the living gullets of a thousand infant puppies, ululating in wordless terror. - Lorz>>
For a nice LE a forged short sword is a worthwhile investment. I liked mine so much I had it altered.
A dark sword with red etchings along the blade is a light edged melee-ranged weapon.
The dark sword is well suited for backstabbing.
You are certain that it could do:
moderate puncture damage
low slice damage
poor impact damage
You are certain that the sword is poorly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the dark sword is of average strength, and is in pristine condition.
The dark sword is made with metal.
The dark sword feels pretty light.
You are certain that the dark sword is worth exactly 250 lirums.
You put your dark sword on the counter.
Aranathem hefts the dark sword and puts it on the medium balance scale. He patiently adds small sacks of stones on the other side till the beam becomes exactly level.
Aranathem squints at the balance beam needle and says, "The sword weighs about twenty-three stones," and puts the sword on the counter.
You pay Aranathem and take your sword off the counter.
I have considered getting a well balanced one made but I am happy with the one I have. Someone asked me whether it was forged (exact words were - that sword, you know the one you destroy things with) hehe.
Synyster Shadowmaiden
A dark sword with red etchings along the blade is a light edged melee-ranged weapon.
The dark sword is well suited for backstabbing.
You are certain that it could do:
moderate puncture damage
low slice damage
poor impact damage
You are certain that the sword is poorly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the dark sword is of average strength, and is in pristine condition.
The dark sword is made with metal.
The dark sword feels pretty light.
You are certain that the dark sword is worth exactly 250 lirums.
You put your dark sword on the counter.
Aranathem hefts the dark sword and puts it on the medium balance scale. He patiently adds small sacks of stones on the other side till the beam becomes exactly level.
Aranathem squints at the balance beam needle and says, "The sword weighs about twenty-three stones," and puts the sword on the counter.
You pay Aranathem and take your sword off the counter.
I have considered getting a well balanced one made but I am happy with the one I have. Someone asked me whether it was forged (exact words were - that sword, you know the one you destroy things with) hehe.
Synyster Shadowmaiden
Apologies for double post, but here is the app on the 10 stone well balanced version, which is nice as it is light enough for a new character:
A short sword is a light edged melee-ranged weapon.
The short sword is well suited for backstabbing.
You are certain that it could do:
fair puncture damage
low slice damage
poor impact damage
You are certain that the sword is well balanced and is poorly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the short sword is of average strength, and is in pristine condition.
The short sword is made with metal.
The short sword feels pretty light.
You are certain that the short sword is worth exactly 312 kronars.
Synyster Shadowmaiden
A short sword is a light edged melee-ranged weapon.
The short sword is well suited for backstabbing.
You are certain that it could do:
fair puncture damage
low slice damage
poor impact damage
You are certain that the sword is well balanced and is poorly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the short sword is of average strength, and is in pristine condition.
The short sword is made with metal.
The short sword feels pretty light.
You are certain that the short sword is worth exactly 312 kronars.
Synyster Shadowmaiden
Pick up a forged stilleto and use a shield to defend yourself with it.
A silver-edged stiletto is a light edged melee-ranged weapon.
The silver-edged stiletto is well suited for backstabbing.
You are certain that it could do:
fair puncture damage
poor slice damage
poor impact damage
You are certain that the stiletto is excellently balanced and is dismally suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the silver-edged stiletto is somewhat flimsy, and is in pristine condition.
I think it weighs 5 stones.
Wanderer Larze
Movies count because they are based on real life which imitates art which then gets spoofed by bad art which then is imitated by real life and gave us the state of Florida. - GODKIN
A silver-edged stiletto is a light edged melee-ranged weapon.
The silver-edged stiletto is well suited for backstabbing.
You are certain that it could do:
fair puncture damage
poor slice damage
poor impact damage
You are certain that the stiletto is excellently balanced and is dismally suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the silver-edged stiletto is somewhat flimsy, and is in pristine condition.
I think it weighs 5 stones.
Wanderer Larze
Movies count because they are based on real life which imitates art which then gets spoofed by bad art which then is imitated by real life and gave us the state of Florida. - GODKIN
yeah, i like the jambiya too cause i can use it for other stuff too for non-bs'able critters.
<<Because it's a gigantic can of worms. Eldritch, necrotic, squamous worms, writhing in a vile stew of coagulating ichor, crushed from the living gullets of a thousand infant puppies, ululating in wordless terror. - Lorz>>
<<Because it's a gigantic can of worms. Eldritch, necrotic, squamous worms, writhing in a vile stew of coagulating ichor, crushed from the living gullets of a thousand infant puppies, ululating in wordless terror. - Lorz>>
Well I bought a Short Sword, and it definately hits like a truck compared to the Dirge Dirk I was using, and i'm gonna snag a Jamb as soon as I see a decent one pop up in the Market.
my question was that Schvartz said LE would always be a 1 second RT, but with the short sword I'm up to 3 seconds... any clue why that is? Do I need more strength and it'll drop to a 1 second RT?
Synyster, do you have a 1 second RT with your short sword?
Thanks in advance all.
my question was that Schvartz said LE would always be a 1 second RT, but with the short sword I'm up to 3 seconds... any clue why that is? Do I need more strength and it'll drop to a 1 second RT?
Synyster, do you have a 1 second RT with your short sword?
Thanks in advance all.
>>Is it just the raw combination of stat boosts that our cookie provides that does it?
Most likely.
Then again, Focus boosts damn near everything. Try using Hasten and see whether or not that's enough. If not, then it's probably Strength.
---
"Close your eyes -
For your eyes will only tell the truth..
And the truth isn't what you want to see.
In the dark, it is easy to pretend
That the truth is what it ought to be." - Erik Claudin
Most likely.
Then again, Focus boosts damn near everything. Try using Hasten and see whether or not that's enough. If not, then it's probably Strength.
---
"Close your eyes -
For your eyes will only tell the truth..
And the truth isn't what you want to see.
In the dark, it is easy to pretend
That the truth is what it ought to be." - Erik Claudin
if you use LE and have more Agility than Strength theirs only one real choice for a forged weapon it was mentioned earlier.
forged Stiletto. Fair/Excellent.
and if you have more agility than strength then a poorly balanced LE is IMO the wrong way to go.
"Failure is not our only punishment for laziness: there is also the success of others."
Jules Renard
forged Stiletto. Fair/Excellent.
and if you have more agility than strength then a poorly balanced LE is IMO the wrong way to go.
"Failure is not our only punishment for laziness: there is also the success of others."
Jules Renard
i bought a fair/well Short sword, a moderate/reasonably short sword, and a fair/excellent stiletto when i started this thief
closing in on circle 30, the moderate/reasonably still owns the stiletto's backstab damage.
I keep imagining that this will eventually change with a.) more weapon ranks
b.) more agility.
Though who knows, maybe my meager strength is what makes the short sword nicer? it does have more suitedness than the stiletto (slightly) But at 15 strength and 26 Agility, im doubtful.
Dunno about hasten, not actually picked up any khri aside from focus. But plan to once I leave Ratha with ambush screen (since i was disappointed with stun not being able to use brass knuckles.)
closing in on circle 30, the moderate/reasonably still owns the stiletto's backstab damage.
I keep imagining that this will eventually change with a.) more weapon ranks
b.) more agility.
Though who knows, maybe my meager strength is what makes the short sword nicer? it does have more suitedness than the stiletto (slightly) But at 15 strength and 26 Agility, im doubtful.
Dunno about hasten, not actually picked up any khri aside from focus. But plan to once I leave Ratha with ambush screen (since i was disappointed with stun not being able to use brass knuckles.)
IIRC, how well a weapon is balance or how suited it is to gaining extra power determines which you need to train to get the reduced rt..
if it's more balanced than suited, you want to train more agility for better effect... and vice versa...
Sothios Mori'Taren
Riverhaven Locksmith Union Representative
if it's more balanced than suited, you want to train more agility for better effect... and vice versa...
Sothios Mori'Taren
Riverhaven Locksmith Union Representative
Anyone have somewhere they can direct me to to find out exactly what number of statistics focus is adding? It'd be pertinent to know if I only needed 3 more agility, say, to make my RT1. If not, and its a secret we can't share publicly that's fine too... just don't wanna overstep my boundaries.
Any Light Edged weapons out there with >= mod construction? All the ones i see are fairly study and those all just get dinged and beat up when parrying between backstabs.
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
Yamcer
"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
An acid-etched sabre is a medium edged melee-ranged weapon.
The acid-etched sabre is ill suited, but usable, for backstabbing.
You are certain that it could do:
moderate puncture damage
low slice damage
low impact damage
You are certain that the sabre is fairly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the acid-etched sabre is well constructed, and is in pristine condition.
The acid-etched sabre is made with metal.
You are certain that the acid-etched sabre weighs exactly 29 stones.
You are certain that the acid-etched sabre is worth exactly 1353 dokoras.
Roundtime: 8 seconds.
Never done me any wrong..
The acid-etched sabre is ill suited, but usable, for backstabbing.
You are certain that it could do:
moderate puncture damage
low slice damage
low impact damage
You are certain that the sabre is fairly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the acid-etched sabre is well constructed, and is in pristine condition.
The acid-etched sabre is made with metal.
You are certain that the acid-etched sabre weighs exactly 29 stones.
You are certain that the acid-etched sabre is worth exactly 1353 dokoras.
Roundtime: 8 seconds.
Never done me any wrong..
Acid etched is what I'm using currently, but I figured why not upgrade to a better weapon if I have the spare plats... Schvartz has a heavy puncture one, so I figure why not pick one up... assuming they're not too rare... I'm none too familiar with tanning/smithing, but if I can find a weapon upgrade, its worth it since I don't have much use for plat soon enough.
>Synyster, do you have a 1 second RT with your short sword?
Yes I do, 1 second for backstabs, 3 second on a lunge which is the longest. Conversely I get much better results using the mod puncture, poorly balanced sword than a better balanced but lesser puncture one. My strength is only 4 behind agility so perhaps that has something to do with it. I will 1 shot with a backstab maybe 95% of the time with the mod puncture, but it usually takes 2-3 with anything else.
I don't know how much bearing this will still have these days, but I used Soim's chart to determine how much strength etc I needed to get min RT on my weapons. Here is the link:
http://arthedale.com/olvi/soimstats.html
Synyster Shadowmaiden
Yes I do, 1 second for backstabs, 3 second on a lunge which is the longest. Conversely I get much better results using the mod puncture, poorly balanced sword than a better balanced but lesser puncture one. My strength is only 4 behind agility so perhaps that has something to do with it. I will 1 shot with a backstab maybe 95% of the time with the mod puncture, but it usually takes 2-3 with anything else.
I don't know how much bearing this will still have these days, but I used Soim's chart to determine how much strength etc I needed to get min RT on my weapons. Here is the link:
http://arthedale.com/olvi/soimstats.html
Synyster Shadowmaiden
circle 29 with a combat focus on my thief and mod/reasonably still owns fair/excellent (27 agility, close to 100 BS/LE)
I imagine at around 175-225 ranks of weapon it will happen. (probably comparable ranks in BS) This is only coming my experience as a barbarian and a paladin though.. Not had a 40+ thief in several years (loving them now though!) But it seems like post-200 is the magic number for weapon 'damage' stats becoming more insignificant.
As for agility, so long as its higher than strength by that point, then you should have a safe bet that a stiletto will be your best option.
Started this thief about a month ago, every so often I test the stiletto vs. short sword in damage above level. Maybe the bigger circles can comment on their favorites, but honostly with backstabs damage it seems like the bigger ones dont care (meaning its a one shot on anything they can backstab, regardless). I remember before i deleted my thief (circle 45) she used an ice pick just fine.
I imagine at around 175-225 ranks of weapon it will happen. (probably comparable ranks in BS) This is only coming my experience as a barbarian and a paladin though.. Not had a 40+ thief in several years (loving them now though!) But it seems like post-200 is the magic number for weapon 'damage' stats becoming more insignificant.
As for agility, so long as its higher than strength by that point, then you should have a safe bet that a stiletto will be your best option.
Started this thief about a month ago, every so often I test the stiletto vs. short sword in damage above level. Maybe the bigger circles can comment on their favorites, but honostly with backstabs damage it seems like the bigger ones dont care (meaning its a one shot on anything they can backstab, regardless). I remember before i deleted my thief (circle 45) she used an ice pick just fine.
Double post, but.... at 50 agility and mid-upper 200's in weapon skills the briquet still outperforms the forged stiletto hunting at level. I suppose if I had to stab somebody or something that was higher up the ladder perhaps the stiletto would be the best choice. However, the puncture is winning at this point.
Roger
Roger
The true test, Take your briq and your kastneth/stilleto and go find something you can hardly hit with the briq and then test with the balanced blade. I had a briq out in raiders and i would rarely land a hit, pulled out my kastneth and pounded away at them just fine. After this i preceded to sell all of my briqs because i thought they were poor weapons.
Wanderer Larze
Movies count because they are based on real life which imitates art which then gets spoofed by bad art which then is imitated by real life and gave us the state of Florida. - GODKIN
Wanderer Larze
Movies count because they are based on real life which imitates art which then gets spoofed by bad art which then is imitated by real life and gave us the state of Florida. - GODKIN
The best depends on what you are doing. For killing at the very edge of your abilities the balance will make the stiletto a better choice. For general purpose killing as fast as you can more within your range, the briquet will be nicer. It really depends on how/what your hunting at the time.
Both have their place, so better is relative.
Both have their place, so better is relative.
>>For killing at the very edge of your abilities the balance will make the stiletto a better choice. For general purpose killing as fast as you can more within your range, the briquet will be nicer. It really depends on how/what your hunting at the time.
Could you elaborate? That made no sense to me.
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"Close your eyes -
For your eyes will only tell the truth..
And the truth isn't what you want to see.
In the dark, it is easy to pretend
That the truth is what it ought to be." - Erik Claudin
Could you elaborate? That made no sense to me.
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"Close your eyes -
For your eyes will only tell the truth..
And the truth isn't what you want to see.
In the dark, it is easy to pretend
That the truth is what it ought to be." - Erik Claudin
The balance of the stiletto makes it easier to hit with. So if you are trying to push your abilities as far as you can, you're more likely to land a backstab with it. Where the briquet will miss, you'll be able to hit with the stiletto.
The briquet is a bit harder to hit, but is more likely to hit harder when you do. So if you can reliably hit something, the briquet may kill it with fewer hits.
The briquet is a bit harder to hit, but is more likely to hit harder when you do. So if you can reliably hit something, the briquet may kill it with fewer hits.
