Why don't you guys just get each others IM and start arguing there. You guys sound like a couple of bratty children.

Valcer had a point, but he has long since deviated from it and Navak has pretty much trolled him the entire time, though he did have some valid points also. I'd have to say overall though that the winner of the entire argument is Wighten because he actually gets Z to converse with him on his ideas and has more valid points overall.

Now, c'mon, quit beating the horse, I think it's had enough abuse already.


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It's like putting a band-aid on cancer. - Philip Anselmo