Considerin' there only been one post in the past 4 months, I'm hesitant to ask here, but here goes. Does anyone out there have a relative knowledge or possibly a chart of what skills it takes to make lockpicks, ranging from crude to grandmasters? It's fairly common knowledge what it takes to get professional or even quality on up, but anything lower than that I'm clueless on.

I'm going to go expirement myself, get healed up, jail myself, donate some, maybe sit in the lockpicking room, and eat some cookies, and then see what I can make, but I'm only one Olvi, and would like some input from some other "commoners" out there if possible.

Many thankyas

Dhaerk Dethlon, who considers himself a "Grand Master" but can't seem to make the lockpicks

I can make high qualities and the occasional superior with 150 locks, 40 agility, and 115 mech
-Wig

I'm no help at all. Stealing a quote, "The worst vice is advice"; I would say you may be better off picking with Ivory over Iron til you make masters only because:
1- you can carve masters easier
2- They tend to pick easier than Iron

Con
More expensive but only if you buy :)

Tulls

310s occasional Grandmaster, and occasional GMaster with initials.


BTW, has anyone carved a Grandmaster in anything except iron? i've only done them in iron, or the special festival keyblanks using the figurines awhile back. no ivory or other normal material.


Schvartz


~Weak of arm,crazy roar;
terrible aim,awful health;
broken fingers,no real stealth;
leave em dead,stabbed some more;
lost your coins,on the floor;
greetings!now you're out the door~
>

<<It would also be nice to have in case other thieves asked about it in the distant future.>>

LOL, Thats why there is no list. because things keep changing. Sure go and form one. But in the distant future it will stand a good chance of being useless. Pick rewrite is supose to happen by DRII time or thereabout. THat is definitly expected time of next big change.




Guilty as charged!

<<I am going back and brining up the rear.>>
Nakeeta

Places back firmy against wall as Nakeeta walks by.




Guilty as charged!

190 locks, 160 mech and 38 agility makes a lot of high quality and superiors, with the occasion pro and rare masters.

~Krug

Agility does make a big difference, but I think Nakeeta's statistics make it seem a bit more dramatic than the true benefit is. Especially for anyone a bit higher up in the guild. A change from 22 to 29 agility is damned near a 30% increase... Thar sort of dramatic shift won't happen to anyone past the lower circles.

>>Not sure what you consider lower circles, but I am 47th. Not high, but over lower I would say.

Okay....Scratch lower circles...make that lower stats. Everyone trains themselves in different ways (and appartently you're playing catchup to it a bit), but most thieves would have more agility by that point, I'd think. Yeah...Circle doesn't mean anything, but once you get reasonably well suited in your agility, you won't be able to make so dramatic a change anymore.

actually, that's not weak at all.

I'm 51st, and I still have a few stats under 30.

actually, disc, wis, int and stamina are all 26, and charisma is only 20. Str, agil and ref are all over 30 though.

Yours is an admirable goal.

~Bre


"Let them hate, so long as they fear"
Lucius Accius (170 BC- 86 BC)

Yeah...All 30s by 50th is a pretty good goal...Will definately mean you've done more than chase circles. Then try for all 40s by 70-80th. :p

all 40s by 70s or 80s is pretty impossible even if you've trained stupid things like TM and HP as a thief.

:-(

schvartz


~Weak of arm,crazy roar;
terrible aim,awful health;
broken fingers,no real stealth;
leave em dead,stabbed some more;
lost your coins,on the floor;
greetings!now you're out the door~
>

hmm if i wanted all my stats even i would have been a human... The point of haveing different races is so you can use your races specialty to your advantage. cause when you add them all up... racial bonuses come out to 0 all the +'s and -'s cancel... so if you aren't useing your races strengths than why be something other than human.


Yamcer

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Now it's over, i'm dead and haven't done anything that i want,
Or i'm still alive and there is nothing i want to do.

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"<BombScare> i beat the internet"
"<BombScare> the end guy is hard"

>I said it was a nice goal...I didn't predict whether er not she'd achieve it. :p

::coughs::

He,..

Nakeeta Dark-suun of Ratha, a Rakash.
You have a square-jawed face with a missing tooth, red eyes and a broken nose. Your black hair is shoulder length and straight, and is worn arranged in tight dreadlocks. You have black skin.
You are tall for a Rakash.
You have a scruffy growth of stubble on your face.

~An Unknown Thief,.......

well i think only dwarf females grow beards...


Yamcer

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Now it's over, i'm dead and haven't done anything that i want,
Or i'm still alive and there is nothing i want to do.

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"<BombScare> i beat the internet"
"<BombScare> the end guy is hard"

i do find charisma useful. I still get the stocks in crossing. however, i'm not training it any higher than I already have it. <30>

now what this has to do with this topic <lockpick crafting>, i have no idea.

btw, i have 5 at 40 as well.

Strength : 40 Reflex : 40
Agility : 40 Charisma : 30
Discipline : 40 Wisdom : 32
Intelligence : 34 Stamina : 40

going to work Intell up to 40, then go for my racial bonuses <StR,Refl> as well as agility <just 'cause agility is a Good thing> & discipline.

my trader on the other hand is gonna continue training charisma & mentals, and leave str,ref,agil & stam at 25. Which is already higher than the "physical" stats of many of his profession.






Schvartz


~Weak of arm,crazy roar;
terrible aim,awful health;
broken fingers,no real stealth;
leave em dead,stabbed some more;
lost your coins,on the floor;
greetings!now you're out the door~
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