Not to be argumentative, but because I have an interest in seeing a benefit in things, I have questions.

You said before you were going to use the barbarian calc to figure up our ranks and tdps. I don't remember where, but I distinctly remember that.

My buddy just came back to dr with two mid 60's barbs. They each got about 1000-1200 tdps or so. I'd hardly call that "an avalanche" even at that level since we've been locked out of viably working the skills forever.

I don't disagree that it's a viable way to compensate, I just think avalanche is a harsh word when on a good long day of playing I can earn 80 tdps or so. And I'm not even one of the uber thieves. Granted, it's my play/training style, and while an extra 1000 tdps or whatever would be nice. It's just hardly the answer I'd hope for. Stats get expensive and expecting people to be able to balance themselves out with a grand or so is fairly naive.

While it's not going to affect me, I still think a respec would be a wise choice to offer alongside the tdp gain. Or simply an acknowledgement that it's not off the table until after the test concludes.

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I have to ask, what is changing some much with khri that would require a second stat respec? Concentration will still be the driving force (with skills too) behind khri, so there is no reason to have to deviate from being heavily concentration based in stats. Agility is still the main stat in most of our ability/skills that we do as a thief. Strength and stamina both become much more important to have with the release of 3.0 so everyone should have respeced more into those stats at the beginning if they wanted them.

Charisma is the only stat that has really became more important to us, and we already need a certain amount of that for confidence anyways. So really only a couple of AoE debuffs are the only reason to change our stats at all.

It's not that I'm against another respec, I just don't see the need to crusade for one at this point. He's said it's an option if it turns out that things change a lot. It will also take a much better argument than your disagreement of what "avalanche" means in terms of TDPs and what a character from another guild got from their conversion, especially before Test has even opened.

>Well just to let you know some of the returning players didnt even get to use our stat repecs in the first 24 hours of logging back in cause we had no idea yet at the time we needed it.

Probably the same people that didn't read the big message when they logged in about "Welcome to DR 3.0" or any of the wonderful information added to HELP and NEWS.

Meh.

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>What was the barbarian conversion factor for magic skills anyway? Looking at 3.0 posts it doesn't seem to be the minimum circle ranks so what was it exactly?


I have asked this several times since the thief meeting, and was only met with deafening silence... yeah I'd like to know too.

Would it be possible to calculate the bits that one would earn if grandfathered from 0 ranks and subtract current rank bits of magic and place that difference in the EXP bonus pool, then grandfather up to circle reqs? Since the EXP bonus pool is there this would alleviate the feeling of past training of magics as a waste of time.

Example:

At, say 100th circle, you'd get 300 bits if you were to go from 0 ranks to 100 ranks in utility magic. The character currently has 10 bits (15 ranks), so we take 10 free bits throw them in the EXP bonus pool, then grandfather up to 100 ranks (290 free bits).

I ask since this would benefit my character:

Inner Magic: 61 14% clear (0/34)
Attunement: 56 60% clear (0/34)
Arcana: 389 30% clear (0/34)
Targeted Magic: 226 47% clear (0/34)
Augmentation: 54 64% clear (0/34)
Debilitation: 48 57% clear (0/34)
Utility: 50 91% clear (0/34)
Warding: 47 03% clear (0/34)
Sorcery: 31 65% clear (0/34)

Yamcer

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Doing some quick research on DRSales of barbarians for sale around the launch of DR3.0 (1/19/13):

Date...........Circle.....Inner Fire Rank...1st Super Circle Req.......Ratio Actual/Req
1/15(TEST)....152.............587................386...................1.52
2/17............136.............505................328...................1.54
1/21............107.............360................241...................1.49
2/2.............98..............317................214...................1.48
2/3.............59..............167................108...................1.55
2/17............45..............136................80.....................1.7

Obviously as the date gets farther away from DR3.0 launch earned ranks will muddy this up. From the clean test conversion of 1/15, the break down of the other supernatural skills was this:

Augmentation = 0.8 Inner Fire
Debil = 0.6 Inner Fire
Warding = 0.5 Inner Fire

I don't believe barbarians did, and thieves will follow that template exactly, according to the GMs?

Well, exactly except for swapping warding for utility (thieves get it, barbs don't). Not sure it's really needed, since our abilities won't depend on hard rank requirements quite like spells do, and they won't be generated on an algorithm that can leave certain skills way behind others if there was an unbalanced training regimen.

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>> I'm curious though, is there anyone that actually has enough magic ranks to exceed the grandfathering? And if so, why?

In 1994 (and probably later), thieves could use magic devices and train magic that way. Then it was removed. Some folks loved to get runestones and use them. Then it was removed but the ability left.

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Game didn't start till 96, I believe.

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I gotta admit I'm a little confused about the magic 3.1 posts, the original one says for NMUs to look for posts in their own folders... but then Soch later says to another poster... "nothing in this release".

So is thief 3.0 stuff (or is it thief 3.1 stuff) going to be in test at the same time as magic 3.1, in a week?

I'm really looking forward to these changes, I personally think its gonna be awesome.

Just for clarity, since the...necromancer of all people...went on a rampage about NMUs being 'easy mode' and the GMs clarified 'that doesn't apply to the MAGIC' release, is the thief 3.x content expected to make landfall with the 3.1 magic release, or should we be expecting 2-3 months after that, at earliest?

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>hopefully have a good group of people interesting in previewing and giving input on various parts

I'll be there with bells on. Stealthy thief bells.

Thanks for the posts Ric.

Sweet. I'll take this chance to mention, you'll get more testers if you can log in to test + another instance. Having to choose between test and live means 99% of the people and time live wins.

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