<<It would be interesting if Traders were still ICly NMUs but are able to use jewelry to channel sunlight/moonlight into causing magical effects.

No it wouldn't. Stick with actual spellcasting, thanks.

I've been trying to figure out how the lunar thing works in regards to Traders. I'm hoping that their affinity stems purely from their kinship with navigation by the stars. They'll still be magic tertiary, so how I imagine it working is that after years of training (like 20th circle) they glean some gradual attunement and insight to lunar mana.


-Coralin

I wouldn't sweat the lore right now, the GMs said they were going to write it out, and I'm sure it'll be logical.

The GMs did refer to it flatly as a retcon, which, for those unfamiliar...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroactive_continuity

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>>I wouldn't sweat the lore right now, the GMs said they were going to write it out, and I'm sure it'll be logical.

We know they're going to retcon/write it out, but I don't think how they're going to do that is set in stone just yet. I'm just expressing that what I feel is an interesting way to have Traders use lunar magic.

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Chatter[Gonifa] whatever, scripto-gnome.

just going by the GM announcement. spell slots would be the same, but if attunement were only gained at 20th circle, you wouldn't have requirements until then.

1-10: 1st magic 1 per circle
11-30: 1st magic - 2 per circle

1-10: 2nd magic 1 per circle
11-30: 2nd magic, 1 per circle

3rd magic, no requirement 1-10
11-30, 1 per circle.

Not hard requirements, to be sure, but much easier with attunement than being taught or something.

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In a fantasy world full of magic, I'm sure we have the talent on staff to come up with a way to work this in, probably without very much retconning, if any.

Solomon

>>I've been trying to figure out how the lunar thing works in regards to Traders. I'm hoping that their affinity stems purely from their kinship with navigation by the stars. They'll still be magic tertiary, so how I imagine it working is that after years of training (like 20th circle) they glean some gradual attunement and insight to lunar mana.

<<I don't see much point in singling Traders out among the other 8 (9 including Traders soon) magical guilds and gimping them in a totally unique way, especially considering 2 of those other magic guilds are also magic tert and don't get gimped in such a way.

<<Your suggestion seems (to me) to stem more from a concern that sharing a mana type will make Moon Mages less unique? I assure you that isn't the case. Bards and Warrior Mages could not be further apart even though they switch only a single skillset. Same goes from Empaths and Rangers (though their skillset placement is more different).

Seconded and that is why I'm not fond of attributing their abilities to "manipulating light through prisms" either. Every guild that has had a "unique" way of doing magic has suffered for it in the past. I'd prefer they just raise their arms skyward than worry about having "special" messaging.

Just figure on a simple retcon and come up with some events that will help ease the storyline in: while most Traders don't have the ability to tap into Lunar magic, heroic Traders have always been a different breed, attracted to the opportunities offered by magic. Most saw the advantages provided by Lunar magic as particularly attractive. As the principles behind their particular application of Lunar magic were worked out and developed by trailblazing Traders and probably not a few bribed Moon Mages, the secrets were passed on to Traders deemed trustworthy. Now the guild leadership is prepared to expand the candidate pool to include your player character because they believe you've got the knack for it.

Speaking as someone that has played a moonie since walking into the realms, I am fine with traders using lunar magic. Of all the magics, lunar makes the most sense for them. As long as spells aren't stepping into the other guilds realms or "a smaller version of crystal spike/tkt" type of thing, then more power to them.

The reason I don't want spells to be stepping on each other is simple. I think that same mana based guilds should be able to share some of their spells (where they make sense) with their counterpart guild. Rangers and empaths with SOP is a good example of that. obviously not ALL spells should be shared, but a few of the more general ones easily could easily be. A moonie doesn't have need of anything under negotiation, however we are farily good with illusions and could probably teach the traders how to better harness their abilities in that area while they help us become better with defenses or in working with our crystal spells. After all, who knows crystaline structures (aka gems) better than a trader? They could point out flaws in our understanding.

On the flip side, traders just don't get that whole tkt thing or teleportation. They just don't make sense to them.

Guild synergy could be a wonderful thing, and it is something I hope happens more in the future. Just as long as we don't step on each others identity.

<<I am fine with traders using lunar magic>>

It just wasn't what I was expecting, so it surprised me.

I think this is a great day for traders. I might even roll up my first ever trader. Well, okay probably not Heh but it is intriguing.

My question is if spellbooks sold at Guildfest will be updated in time to have trader oriented bells and whistles? My guess is probably no?

Kaxis

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You say, "Hey, use it or lose it, buddy."

>>So does this mean our speculates and hires will change?

Not as far as I'm concerned. They're their own class of abilities that don't need to be rolled into magic.

>>My question is if spellbooks sold at Guildfest will be updated in time to have trader oriented bells and whistles? My guess is probably no?

That's so far down the line I'm not even thinking about it, tbh. Let's focus on the task at hand (X3), then the task further down the line (Getting the trader rebuild done), THEN we can talk about bells and whistles :).

>>The reason I don't want spells to be stepping on each other is simple.

Yeah, there's an overall goal in the Magic system in general to not have duplicate spells. SOME spells will be similar to each other, by the very nature of the magic, but they'll certainly be their own spells.

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>>Traders are very travel oriented, as are Moonies. I can see some possible conflict of interest on that one. Enjoying refereeing all that!

Traders are about getting goods between several places for profit, which is usually a slow and laborious process. Moon Mages are about quick travel for convenience. I don't see much overlap, in the same way cars and planes aren't really competing.

>>Actually I was just trying to be funny. I guess it fell flat.

Sarcasm is hard to detect on the boards sometimes, I learned that lesson a long time ago :). So if it was a joke, yes!

Very, very cool!

Kudo's to the GM's who had the idea, and kudo's to DR for taking on this big challenging change.

And Congrats to the Traders who will be our new mage buddies!

I am looking forward to being able to have a reason to teach magix to traders. They are great students.

>>It would be interesting if Traders were still ICly NMUs but are able to use jewelry to channel sunlight/moonlight into causing magical effects.

I know you mean this as a more "interesting flavor" thing than anything, but I just can't say I'm a fan. I feel like Traders have suffered a lot from the cry of, "Well they are supposed to be mundane!" As heroic adventurers, they're actually supposed to be supernaturally awesome, just like all the other guilds.

Again, realize you probably didn't mean for them to stay mundane with that suggestion, just feels like it could fuel that fire to me. Although I think it might be neat if they got unique spell preps, of course.

>>...so how I imagine it working is that after years of training (like 20th circle) they glean some gradual attunement and insight to lunar mana.

Like a few others, I see no reason to gimp them beyond the other magic tert guilds. But I like the navigation idea. Perhaps that could work into some of their spells. Or it might be fodder for the guild-wide RP event that switches them over.

>>2. Please make certain that when Trader spellbooks come out in the spellbook shop, they are available in...

Don't worry, the spellbook merchant has so many options it will make your eyes bleed. ;)


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Yeah, I would see it as them having a supernatural affinity toward "using gems", which to me is pretty badass (and be well outside the realm of something "anyone" should be allowed to do). Hell, having it [ICly] be a half-magic half-dance/khri-mojo would be even more unique to me.

And, once again, that doesn't mean they would have to explicitly need to have/hold/use/etc a gem to use magic.

I'm just spitballing what I personally think would be cool. The idea of a Trader having such an affinity toward gems that results in magic seems really awesome to me.

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Chatter[Gonifa] whatever, scripto-gnome.

>>I would see it not so much as a personal attunement to lunar mana, but as an ability to manipulate it to do what they want it to.

I would see eating a chicken sandwich not so much as the ability to consume a chicken sandwich, but the ability to force the chicken sandwich into a state of consumption.

> It wouldn't be difficult to comprehend that they be good with star charts and the geometry involved with lunar magics.

I'm not sure this logically follows; most (all) trading is done on trade routes, which are well defined roads, if moderately dangerous.

S'like saying I can fly to Zimbabwe because I can walk down the street and buy some African cuisine.

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>>I'm not sure this logically follows; most (all) trading is done on trade routes, which are well defined roads, if moderately dangerous.

Lots of the caravan routes run through wilderness areas, actually. Sure, we as players think of Tiger Clan as literally 2 seconds from Crossing (oh no! you might get attacked by goblins and HOGS which are 20 ranks of offense, heaven forbid!) but we also represent either the feudal lord running with a pack of guards or the treacherous black knight who can besiege a group of normal foes all by himself.

To the average peasant, Wolf Clan is probably a dangerous voyage, what with cougars known to attack travelers. That's just in Zoluren, too. It gets worse in Ilithi (eidolon steeds), Hib, and Therengia (voyage to Muspar'ii is VERY treacherous). I would say it is fair that Traders are good at navigation.

I'm liking the Lore that Trader's guide themselves by the Stars.

And I totally concur about the dangerous nature of plenty of the paths traders run for moving their goods. I think a bit of the player base misses how the adventuring class is super competent, super rich, and having many things further superior then the commoners and the rest of the 99% of the population. I mean there are some characters (150 circle characters in particular) that I'd wager have more wealth then some smaller kingdoms.
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ICly, quite a few traders trade by boat, from a strictly Elanthia-lore perspective. My personal trader would have picked up celestial navigation(using star positions to determine location and direction) at home, as a commoner, living on an insanely rural homestead. He doesn't need to use it in his current work. The same cannot be said about all the "Traders" responsible for shipping between the various islands and the mainland though.