Sorcery Training on 03/24/2015 12:58 PM CDT
Re: Sorcery Training on 03/24/2015 01:11 PM CDT
So far the safest and best way to learn sorcery is to listen to magic from a different mana type once you are past the 75 or so ranks you can get out of focusing runes.
Otherwise, learn a scroll spell and cast away, keep an empath handy for those blown off arms, and stay out of town while training to avoid being called a necromancer by justice.
"Game balance is sobbing over in the corner as it considers the ramifications of AoE Blufmor Garaen. Your spell slots send their condolences." - GM Raesh
Otherwise, learn a scroll spell and cast away, keep an empath handy for those blown off arms, and stay out of town while training to avoid being called a necromancer by justice.
"Game balance is sobbing over in the corner as it considers the ramifications of AoE Blufmor Garaen. Your spell slots send their condolences." - GM Raesh
Re: Sorcery Training on 03/24/2015 01:13 PM CDT
>> If anyone wouldnt mind giving me some insights to this they'd be very welcome, been banging my head against this skill for two days.
How many ranks? At low ranks, you can train with a runestone from another magic type. It goes by decently fast up until maybe 50, and then slows way down.
Personally, my characters now just wait until 100 scholarship, pick up a scroll, and start casting with 0 ranks of sorcery. As a Warrior Mage, you'll want to use Life mana spells, any spell that is intro should be fine.
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ranger_spells
or
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Empath_spells
Both my Necro (high level) and WM (low level) use Wolf Scent and it works well for them.
How many ranks? At low ranks, you can train with a runestone from another magic type. It goes by decently fast up until maybe 50, and then slows way down.
Personally, my characters now just wait until 100 scholarship, pick up a scroll, and start casting with 0 ranks of sorcery. As a Warrior Mage, you'll want to use Life mana spells, any spell that is intro should be fine.
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Ranger_spells
or
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Empath_spells
Both my Necro (high level) and WM (low level) use Wolf Scent and it works well for them.
Re: Sorcery Training on 03/24/2015 01:16 PM CDT
Yeah I picked up Compost, but either I backfire or I have to cast it so low it barely teaches.
After about 40 minutes the best I could get was 9/32 at a cast able prep.
I tried working in a cambrinth, I tried working in a symbiosis.
No combination seemed to help me learn any easier, infact it seemed to hinder the learning even more.
Re: Sorcery Training on 03/24/2015 03:53 PM CDT
>> After about 40 minutes the best I could get was 9/32 at a cast able prep.
I am pretty sure the prep amount doesn't affect your chance of sorcerous backlash, but of course it does change your chance of regular backfiring.
Sorcery doesn't work much differently than any other magic skill. Just find the mana that works well for you. In fact, I find that it teaches better than other magic skills on a per cast basis. I always prefer using the chaos symbiosis as soon as I am able, to save mana.
I am pretty sure the prep amount doesn't affect your chance of sorcerous backlash, but of course it does change your chance of regular backfiring.
Sorcery doesn't work much differently than any other magic skill. Just find the mana that works well for you. In fact, I find that it teaches better than other magic skills on a per cast basis. I always prefer using the chaos symbiosis as soon as I am able, to save mana.
Re: Sorcery Training on 03/24/2015 05:07 PM CDT
>I am pretty sure the prep amount doesn't affect your chance of sorcerous backlash, but of course it does change your chance of regular backfiring.
Prepping and casting sorcery at higher mana levels than you can handle increases your chances of backlash and backlash severity significantly iirc.
Training sorcery is mostly about finding the right spell and then experimenting with the right prep amount.
If compost isn't working, experiment with other ranger/empath spells till you find one that's relatively safe to cast. Some spells are more likely to backlash than others so it's a process of trial and error. Get in touch with Skaen ingame, I think I have some spells that might work well for you.
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Prepping and casting sorcery at higher mana levels than you can handle increases your chances of backlash and backlash severity significantly iirc.
Training sorcery is mostly about finding the right spell and then experimenting with the right prep amount.
If compost isn't working, experiment with other ranger/empath spells till you find one that's relatively safe to cast. Some spells are more likely to backlash than others so it's a process of trial and error. Get in touch with Skaen ingame, I think I have some spells that might work well for you.
Vote:
http://www.topmudsites.com/vote-DragonRealms.html
Re: Sorcery Training on 03/24/2015 05:51 PM CDT
<<Prepping and casting sorcery at higher mana levels than you can handle increases your chances of backlash and backlash severity significantly iirc.
Nope. Raesh wanted to include it, but it would have introduced too much issue with trying to find a scroll that taught without backlashing crazy amounts. I.e. it made the scroll choice for learning too narrow. Or something like that. As a result, the amount of mana you put into a sorcery spell has no bearing on backlash chance or severity (which is directly determined by how badly you fail the chance check.)
Backfire chance, on the other hand is higher for a sorcery spell because on top of your likely lower sorcery ranks substituting for your likely higher primary magic ranks, there's an additional penalty to mana cap when casting out of your mana type. So even though you would except to be able to cast a spell at x mana if it were native and directly substituting your sorcery ranks, you will actually only be able to cast it at x minus y mana because of the additional penalty if it is another type of mana.
<<Some spells are more likely to backlash than others so it's a process of trial and error.
This is absolutely true, however. It becomes a matter of figuring out the level of backlash you're willing to live with.
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Nope. Raesh wanted to include it, but it would have introduced too much issue with trying to find a scroll that taught without backlashing crazy amounts. I.e. it made the scroll choice for learning too narrow. Or something like that. As a result, the amount of mana you put into a sorcery spell has no bearing on backlash chance or severity (which is directly determined by how badly you fail the chance check.)
Backfire chance, on the other hand is higher for a sorcery spell because on top of your likely lower sorcery ranks substituting for your likely higher primary magic ranks, there's an additional penalty to mana cap when casting out of your mana type. So even though you would except to be able to cast a spell at x mana if it were native and directly substituting your sorcery ranks, you will actually only be able to cast it at x minus y mana because of the additional penalty if it is another type of mana.
<<Some spells are more likely to backlash than others so it's a process of trial and error.
This is absolutely true, however. It becomes a matter of figuring out the level of backlash you're willing to live with.
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Re: Sorcery Training on 03/24/2015 05:58 PM CDT
Eh... sorta, kinda. Backlash and backfire are different things. I don't recall the details of the intermediate system offhand, but the gist was that mixing them turned out to be less of a good idea than I'd thought.
-Raesh
"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose
-Raesh
"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose
Re: Sorcery Training on 03/24/2015 06:10 PM CDT
Re: Sorcery Training on 03/24/2015 08:07 PM CDT