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I don't see the need to nerf either spell and I don't care too much about the similarities. I like the concept of passive elemental attacks my character can have control over and enjoy the idea that I can have them up in concert with one other but I think there should be a pretty beefy pathway that allows this. Maybe a 100th level pathway, or 120th, that allows you to hold DB and BG up simultaneously and maybe a little boost to accuracy. If any more spells were to be released that were of this nature, each individual spell would cost more concentration per tick to continue having up.
Also, MoF and DB should compliment one another. Maybe some extra oomph when you spit and have it up? Elemental spells should really work in tandem, it adds to the whole 'elemental mastery' theme that War Mages have. Not to mention it would be plain cool and make all the spells fairly useful. Tailwind with GB. Zephyr already helps shockwave!
Keep on your thought Z, don't let them sway you at all. I am loving it. I want a one shot instant kill spell I can keep up for an hour, and just spit <name>. Then I want Town Guards or Sentials or bystands to point at him and say "Its a Dragon!" Then I want to jump into the sky and fly away. Wait, what were we talking about again?
BG sounds interesting. I was afraid when I saw it mentioned as a new spell, because I knew it was pretty much a copy of DB, with a little more options. I do enjoy seeing the spell, I doubt my warmage will get it, since he never kept PW. Honestly can't wait for magic 3.0, so I can redo my whole spell selection. I am very excited to see how our spells change, updated, or whats removed and added. I am done, you all continue to do whatever you want.
BG sounds interesting. I was afraid when I saw it mentioned as a new spell, because I knew it was pretty much a copy of DB, with a little more options. I do enjoy seeing the spell, I doubt my warmage will get it, since he never kept PW. Honestly can't wait for magic 3.0, so I can redo my whole spell selection. I am very excited to see how our spells change, updated, or whats removed and added. I am done, you all continue to do whatever you want.
Keep in mind that the goal is not to 'nerf' either spell. If that's what you're thinking will happen, you're headed the wrong direction.
That being said, Spell Synergies don't allow spells to be more powerful. So if you want spells to interact with each other like that, what you're saying is that you want your spells to be less powerful unless you cast other spells.
In some cases they can be fun and make sense, but in general I'd prefer if you want to do something 'cool' that it just be part of the spell by default as opposed to having spells you only use because they're part of some other spell.
-Z
That being said, Spell Synergies don't allow spells to be more powerful. So if you want spells to interact with each other like that, what you're saying is that you want your spells to be less powerful unless you cast other spells.
In some cases they can be fun and make sense, but in general I'd prefer if you want to do something 'cool' that it just be part of the spell by default as opposed to having spells you only use because they're part of some other spell.
-Z
>>I want a one shot instant kill spell I can keep up for an hour, and just spit <name>
Pretty sure you read something wrong.
>>The likely differentiation at this point is that Dragon's Breath will probably move to a single shot spell. You cast it, you get the breath, and then you use it once. It will be much more powerful than the BG shots and have unique criticals.
So far in magic 3.0 we will have a much weaker CL which will also take a learning cut. LB which will be much more avoidable. Now a less accurate version of fireball which we will call dragons breath. What exactly are we looking forward to? Anything else that can be added to the list?
- Erixx
>>So far in magic 3.0 we will have a much weaker CL which will also take a learning cut. LB which will be much more avoidable. Now a less accurate version of fireball which we will call dragons breath. What exactly are we looking forward to? Anything else that can be added to the list?
Not to mention that the guild has yet to define our specialty with 'Targeted Magic' outside of being able to crank up the power/accuracy of our spells with pathways.
I'd like to know what it means to be a Warrior Mage in Dragonrealms again, does anyone really know? What real edge in combat do we hold, how do we separate ourselves from any other combat mage out there? Having a plethora of gimped spells, spells getting released that have been in QC for over a year with a parasite of bugs attached with it? I don't know, the future continues to grow more dark for this guild by the day it seems and I think it's going to take another two years to dig ourselves out of the hole that we've been thrown in due to the lack of progress made by our previous guru.
Which would be worse? To live as a monster or to die as a good man?
Not to mention that the guild has yet to define our specialty with 'Targeted Magic' outside of being able to crank up the power/accuracy of our spells with pathways.
I'd like to know what it means to be a Warrior Mage in Dragonrealms again, does anyone really know? What real edge in combat do we hold, how do we separate ourselves from any other combat mage out there? Having a plethora of gimped spells, spells getting released that have been in QC for over a year with a parasite of bugs attached with it? I don't know, the future continues to grow more dark for this guild by the day it seems and I think it's going to take another two years to dig ourselves out of the hole that we've been thrown in due to the lack of progress made by our previous guru.
Which would be worse? To live as a monster or to die as a good man?
>it's what he didn't do that matters the most at this point
Nobody can do everything. I'm sorry your priorities for the guild were different from our last guru, but what you said was insulting. Wythor did a lot of great things for this guild. Just because he didn't make the guild perfect in your eyes doesn't mean there was a lack of progress.
Elemental Lord Opieus, Expert Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer
Nobody can do everything. I'm sorry your priorities for the guild were different from our last guru, but what you said was insulting. Wythor did a lot of great things for this guild. Just because he didn't make the guild perfect in your eyes doesn't mean there was a lack of progress.
Elemental Lord Opieus, Expert Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer
I'm going to ask everyone take a deep breath and dial back the hostility.
Expressing your concerns in a constructive way is one thing, talking in a hostile fashion about systems that aren't even implemented yet is another.
This thread will get pulled if the later continues.
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Expressing your concerns in a constructive way is one thing, talking in a hostile fashion about systems that aren't even implemented yet is another.
This thread will get pulled if the later continues.
Wordan
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If you have any questions or comments, please contact me at MOD-Wordan@play.net or Message Board Supervisor Annwyl at DR-Annwyl@play.net
>>I remember the days when dragon's breath set people on fire.
My first ever character was a WM, back when I had him no one really knew what DB did or what it was. It also didn't go out until someone literally got on the ground and started rolling.
It was fun watching someone burn to death because they didn't know to stop, drop, and roll.
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Sit down, proud, empty, hollow things that you are! Let this remind you why you once feared the dark.
-Prince Nuada, Hellboy II
My first ever character was a WM, back when I had him no one really knew what DB did or what it was. It also didn't go out until someone literally got on the ground and started rolling.
It was fun watching someone burn to death because they didn't know to stop, drop, and roll.
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Sit down, proud, empty, hollow things that you are! Let this remind you why you once feared the dark.
-Prince Nuada, Hellboy II
>>In some cases they can be fun and make sense, but in general I'd prefer if you want to do something 'cool' that it just be part of the spell by default as opposed to having spells you only use because they're part of some other spell.<<
That's not exactly what I had in mind, I don't want a spell to become useless unless otherwise combined in the 'matrix' of another. I'd like to see them have multiple uses outside of just a single type of action. To be able to 'weave' multiple spells into various spell matrices, like we have with SD and ES, Zephyr with Swirling Winds and Mantle of Flame and Veil of Ice, MoF and ES, etc. It really adds to the 'flare' of being a War Mage, I think, when we can combine multiple elements from our spellbook for an effect.
That's not exactly what I had in mind, I don't want a spell to become useless unless otherwise combined in the 'matrix' of another. I'd like to see them have multiple uses outside of just a single type of action. To be able to 'weave' multiple spells into various spell matrices, like we have with SD and ES, Zephyr with Swirling Winds and Mantle of Flame and Veil of Ice, MoF and ES, etc. It really adds to the 'flare' of being a War Mage, I think, when we can combine multiple elements from our spellbook for an effect.
"[R]etain[ing] your views on the previous guru" and "lack of progress made by our previous guru" are two totally different things.
I understand and appreciate that you have an opinion on the development that was done to the Warrior Mage guild by Wythor; however, that doesn't mean no development was done. Please don't sully Wythor's name by stating that absolutely nothing was done--Rather, state that you disagree with most if not all of the things he did for the guild.
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I understand and appreciate that you have an opinion on the development that was done to the Warrior Mage guild by Wythor; however, that doesn't mean no development was done. Please don't sully Wythor's name by stating that absolutely nothing was done--Rather, state that you disagree with most if not all of the things he did for the guild.
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~Leilond
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http://soundsoftime.bravehost.com
Your taking my comments out of context. I never said, 'there was no development done', rather, I mentioned his lack of progress lately which even he admitted to with his post.
Let me clear up my opinions, since people tend to get emotional, blinding my text with their fallen tears. It's like a motion picture, while I may have not enjoyed the first installment of a series, it does not mean I didn't appreciate it.
Which would be worse? To live as a monster or to die as a good man?
Let me clear up my opinions, since people tend to get emotional, blinding my text with their fallen tears. It's like a motion picture, while I may have not enjoyed the first installment of a series, it does not mean I didn't appreciate it.
Which would be worse? To live as a monster or to die as a good man?
>>I understand and appreciate that you have an opinion on the development that was done to the Warrior Mage guild by Wythor; however, that doesn't mean no development was done. Please don't sully Wythor's name by stating that absolutely nothing was done--Rather, state that you disagree with most if not all of the things he did for the guild.<<
Bad development is never a good thing.
Bad development is never a good thing.
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Wordan
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