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I do most of my TM training casting fire shard with cambrinth. Prep at 6, focus a 32 mana camb, cast. I've never found a difference between doing that and preparing the spell at 30 and casting, same number of shards, same percentage of critical hits, etc.
Chain lightning, on the other hand, doesn't seem to function right with cambrinth. It's something I've noticed in the past but since it's such a dangerous spell I didn't cast it often enough to be concerned enough to run tests on it.
Essentially, if I prep CL at minimum and pump 30-32 cambrinth mana through it, I get the same number of bolts but they hit like feathers. I can cast straight-prep 45 mana CL's on 5-7 celpeze and kill every one nearly everytime. If one survives it's so close to death a quick feint polishes them off. On the other hand, THREE cambrinth casts of approximately 54 mana each won't kill the whole batch. Straight preps get a lot of messaging like "A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an asaren celpeze! The lightning bolt tears into its chest like a blast from Firulf's staff." while the cambrinth casts are mostly "A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an asaren celpeze! The worst of the bolt misses, but tendrils of lightning lash out in passing to scorch its abdomen."
I gathered a fair number of tests, will send the numbers to Valdrik and Chakram directly since no one wants to read that stuff. Has anyone else experienced anything like this? It's troubling to me, it goes against my basic understanding of magic theory.
Gizella
It might have to do with mana that's inputed into the spell. I had to use it the other day, I had prep'd at min (22 mana) had harnessed 40 and cast the spell. 4 Dancers 1 Warrior in the room, 3 Dancers died, 19 bolts. That seems a bit disproportionate to me, but I don't use the spell that much, perhaps I'll test it more.
Sabashtin..
Sabashtin..
My understanding of the new magic was mana put into a spell from cambrinth was supposed to behave exactly as though it were part of the spell prep, hence the increased teaching and ability to backfire using cambrinth. But even if that doesn't hold true, why would it produce as many bolts but the majority of them get the missing messaging?
It very much feel like cambrinth mana isn't going toward overcoming the critter's MR. Is this intended?
Gizella
It very much feel like cambrinth mana isn't going toward overcoming the critter's MR. Is this intended?
Gizella
>>I think the complaint was about mana from cambrinth, not harnessed.
Tessaa <<
At one point I was in school, and I did learn to interperate what other people write. While I understand where the complaint was, I was mearly stating that it might be associated with mana that was input into the spell, regardless if it's cambrinth, harnessed mana, or somebody else's harnessed mana. I did not state she was wrong, but giving her an alternate insight since I had experienced the same sort of thing.
So, I shall go test the spell now, I need something to do.
Sabashtin..
Tessaa <<
At one point I was in school, and I did learn to interperate what other people write. While I understand where the complaint was, I was mearly stating that it might be associated with mana that was input into the spell, regardless if it's cambrinth, harnessed mana, or somebody else's harnessed mana. I did not state she was wrong, but giving her an alternate insight since I had experienced the same sort of thing.
So, I shall go test the spell now, I need something to do.
Sabashtin..
This is a 62 mana straight prep CL.
You gesture.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! An Adan'f blood warrior jumps in surprise as the bolt strikes its abdomen and leaves a patch of blackened flesh.
The blood warrior is stunned!
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! The lightning bolt tears into its chest like a blast from Firulf's staff.
An Adan'f blood warrior falls to the ground with a crash and screams, "Adan'f inja ssskramur!" before its death rattle echoes through the forest.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f spirit dancer! The lightning bolt blasts away its neck, cauterizing the jugular and trachea while shorting out the spinal column.
The spirit dancer sinks to the ground, gasping out a final breath as the madness clears from its eyes before it lets out a scream of pure terror.
An obsidian war mattock falls from the dancer's grasp and shatters on the ground.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! The worst of the bolt misses, but tendrils of lightning lash out in passing to scorch its back.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! An Adan'f blood warrior jumps in surprise as the bolt strikes its back and leaves a patch of blackened flesh.
The blood warrior is lightly stunned!
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! The lightning bolt tears into its chest like a blast from Firulf's staff.
An Adan'f blood warrior falls to the ground with a crash and screams, "Adan'f inja ssskramur!" before its death rattle echoes through the forest.
The blood warrior's visored helm shatters with a crack!
The blood warrior's plate armor shatters!
The blood warrior's shield splits with a sharp crack!
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! The lightning bolt tears into its chest like a blast from Firulf's staff.
An Adan'f blood warrior falls to the ground with a crash and screams, "Adan'f inja ssskramur!" before its death rattle echoes through the forest.
The blood warrior's visored helm shatters with a crack!
The blood warrior's plate armor shatters!
The blood warrior's shield splits with a sharp crack!
The forces within the warrior's hammer cause the weapon to explode in a spray of red mist!
Roundtime: 1 second.
Sabashtin..
You gesture.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! An Adan'f blood warrior jumps in surprise as the bolt strikes its abdomen and leaves a patch of blackened flesh.
The blood warrior is stunned!
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! The lightning bolt tears into its chest like a blast from Firulf's staff.
An Adan'f blood warrior falls to the ground with a crash and screams, "Adan'f inja ssskramur!" before its death rattle echoes through the forest.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f spirit dancer! The lightning bolt blasts away its neck, cauterizing the jugular and trachea while shorting out the spinal column.
The spirit dancer sinks to the ground, gasping out a final breath as the madness clears from its eyes before it lets out a scream of pure terror.
An obsidian war mattock falls from the dancer's grasp and shatters on the ground.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! The worst of the bolt misses, but tendrils of lightning lash out in passing to scorch its back.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! An Adan'f blood warrior jumps in surprise as the bolt strikes its back and leaves a patch of blackened flesh.
The blood warrior is lightly stunned!
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! The lightning bolt tears into its chest like a blast from Firulf's staff.
An Adan'f blood warrior falls to the ground with a crash and screams, "Adan'f inja ssskramur!" before its death rattle echoes through the forest.
The blood warrior's visored helm shatters with a crack!
The blood warrior's plate armor shatters!
The blood warrior's shield splits with a sharp crack!
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! The lightning bolt tears into its chest like a blast from Firulf's staff.
An Adan'f blood warrior falls to the ground with a crash and screams, "Adan'f inja ssskramur!" before its death rattle echoes through the forest.
The blood warrior's visored helm shatters with a crack!
The blood warrior's plate armor shatters!
The blood warrior's shield splits with a sharp crack!
The forces within the warrior's hammer cause the weapon to explode in a spray of red mist!
Roundtime: 1 second.
Sabashtin..
<<I think all the mana's not going to overcoming the critter's MR.>>
I think this is the issue in a nutshell. I've noticed the same thing in Germish'din, low preps with cambrinth will fail or be ineffective. It might be that the resistance check is only taking the prep amount into consideration, though whether this is intentional or not I couldn't say.
Heironymous
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"It is no longer my moral duty as a human being to achieve an integrated and unitary set of explanations for my thoughts and feelings."
I think this is the issue in a nutshell. I've noticed the same thing in Germish'din, low preps with cambrinth will fail or be ineffective. It might be that the resistance check is only taking the prep amount into consideration, though whether this is intentional or not I couldn't say.
Heironymous
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"It is no longer my moral duty as a human being to achieve an integrated and unitary set of explanations for my thoughts and feelings."
22 prep 40 harnessed.
[Ice Caves, Cavern's Heart]
You also see an Adan'f spirit dancer, an Adan'f blood warrior, an Adan'f spirit dancer, an Adan'f spirit dancer, an Adan'f blood warrior, an Adan'f blood warrior, and an Adan'f blood warrior.
Obvious exits: north, northeast, east, southeast, south, southwest, west, northwest.
The blood warrior closes to pole weapon range on you!
You gesture.
The mana you were holding contributes to the spell.
*****You are unable to keep some of the mana from leaking out of the spell pattern.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! The bolt grazes its chest, briefly surrounding its body in brilliant white sky-fire.
The blood warrior is lightly stunned!
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f spirit dancer! An Adan'f spirit dancer jerks its left hand back as the bolt narrowly misses it!
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f spirit dancer! The worst of the bolt misses, but tendrils of lightning lash out in passing to scorch its right eye.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f spirit dancer! An Adan'f spirit dancer flinches as the bolt grazes its chest and scorches the skin.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f spirit dancer! The worst of the bolt misses, but tendrils of lightning lash out in passing to scorch its abdomen.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! An Adan'f blood warrior jumps in surprise as the bolt strikes its abdomen and leaves a patch of blackened flesh.
The blood warrior is stunned!
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! The worst of the bolt misses, but tendrils of lightning lash out in passing to scorch its right arm.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! The lightning bolt tears into its abdomen like a blast from Firulf's staff.
An Adan'f blood warrior falls to the ground with a crash and screams, "Adan'f inja ssskramur!" before its death rattle echoes through the forest.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! The lightning bolt blasts away its neck, cauterizing the jugular and trachea while shorting out the spinal column.
An Adan'f blood warrior falls to the ground with a crash and screams, "Adan'f inja ssskramur!" before its death rattle echoes through the forest.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f spirit dancer! The worst of the bolt misses, but tendrils of lightning lash out in passing to scorch its neck.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f spirit dancer! The worst of the bolt misses, but tendrils of lightning lash out in passing to scorch its abdomen.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f spirit dancer! The lightning bolt tears into its chest like a blast from Firulf's staff.
The spirit dancer sinks to the ground, gasping out a final breath as the madness clears from its eyes before it lets out a scream of pure terror.
An obsidian war mattock falls from the dancer's grasp and shatters on the ground.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! The worst of the bolt misses, but tendrils of lightning lash out in passing to scorch its chest.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! An Adan'f blood warrior clenches its jaw as the bolt strikes it in the head!
The blood warrior is severely stunned!
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f spirit dancer! The bolt grazes its abdomen, briefly surrounding its body in brilliant white sky-fire.
The spirit dancer is barely stunned!
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! The bolt strikes its neck in a mingled spray of blood and sparks.
Roundtime: 1 second.
Sabashtin..
[Ice Caves, Cavern's Heart]
You also see an Adan'f spirit dancer, an Adan'f blood warrior, an Adan'f spirit dancer, an Adan'f spirit dancer, an Adan'f blood warrior, an Adan'f blood warrior, and an Adan'f blood warrior.
Obvious exits: north, northeast, east, southeast, south, southwest, west, northwest.
The blood warrior closes to pole weapon range on you!
You gesture.
The mana you were holding contributes to the spell.
*****You are unable to keep some of the mana from leaking out of the spell pattern.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! The bolt grazes its chest, briefly surrounding its body in brilliant white sky-fire.
The blood warrior is lightly stunned!
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f spirit dancer! An Adan'f spirit dancer jerks its left hand back as the bolt narrowly misses it!
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f spirit dancer! The worst of the bolt misses, but tendrils of lightning lash out in passing to scorch its right eye.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f spirit dancer! An Adan'f spirit dancer flinches as the bolt grazes its chest and scorches the skin.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f spirit dancer! The worst of the bolt misses, but tendrils of lightning lash out in passing to scorch its abdomen.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! An Adan'f blood warrior jumps in surprise as the bolt strikes its abdomen and leaves a patch of blackened flesh.
The blood warrior is stunned!
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! The worst of the bolt misses, but tendrils of lightning lash out in passing to scorch its right arm.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! The lightning bolt tears into its abdomen like a blast from Firulf's staff.
An Adan'f blood warrior falls to the ground with a crash and screams, "Adan'f inja ssskramur!" before its death rattle echoes through the forest.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! The lightning bolt blasts away its neck, cauterizing the jugular and trachea while shorting out the spinal column.
An Adan'f blood warrior falls to the ground with a crash and screams, "Adan'f inja ssskramur!" before its death rattle echoes through the forest.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f spirit dancer! The worst of the bolt misses, but tendrils of lightning lash out in passing to scorch its neck.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f spirit dancer! The worst of the bolt misses, but tendrils of lightning lash out in passing to scorch its abdomen.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f spirit dancer! The lightning bolt tears into its chest like a blast from Firulf's staff.
The spirit dancer sinks to the ground, gasping out a final breath as the madness clears from its eyes before it lets out a scream of pure terror.
An obsidian war mattock falls from the dancer's grasp and shatters on the ground.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! The worst of the bolt misses, but tendrils of lightning lash out in passing to scorch its chest.
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! An Adan'f blood warrior clenches its jaw as the bolt strikes it in the head!
The blood warrior is severely stunned!
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f spirit dancer! The bolt grazes its abdomen, briefly surrounding its body in brilliant white sky-fire.
The spirit dancer is barely stunned!
A lurid green bolt of lightning strikes an Adan'f blood warrior! The bolt strikes its neck in a mingled spray of blood and sparks.
Roundtime: 1 second.
Sabashtin..
I think extra harness either from camb or harnessing it in doesn't do anything more than add more time or if a spell has more bolts/shards (or whatever) with more mana more bolts... It does not seem to over power MR or add more raw power compaired to a straight prep. In most cases I believe at least where you disprove this your overhunting with magic at least or the system seems to think you are..
One way this seems evident is with MAB (I got it for the heck of it) it seems at 24 mana straight prep it blows certain critters out of the room practically each and every time, but if I harness the bulk of the mana to get to 24 or beyond it does not.
So if this is true then what is the point in harnessing at all? Except to spell up with camb items once and while, as well of course to work harness?
~Worrclan,Dwarf of the Realms-
One way this seems evident is with MAB (I got it for the heck of it) it seems at 24 mana straight prep it blows certain critters out of the room practically each and every time, but if I harness the bulk of the mana to get to 24 or beyond it does not.
So if this is true then what is the point in harnessing at all? Except to spell up with camb items once and while, as well of course to work harness?
~Worrclan,Dwarf of the Realms-
>>So if this is true then what is the point in harnessing at all? Except to spell up with camb items once and while, as well of course to work harness?<<
This was my thought as well. But, my thoughts are that mana is mana, whether it's in a cam item, harnessed or straight prep. It's all governed off of the same principle. I'm going to head over to the Abilities skills and Magic folder see if I can't scrounge up a few answers.
Sabashtin..
This was my thought as well. But, my thoughts are that mana is mana, whether it's in a cam item, harnessed or straight prep. It's all governed off of the same principle. I'm going to head over to the Abilities skills and Magic folder see if I can't scrounge up a few answers.
Sabashtin..
I know this is a bit late, but if you haven't gotten an answer, might try AP power and see if it is going to increase your chance of hitting. Might lean more towards the spell not counting camb when trying to overcome the MR if your spell has similar accuracy to that of a straight prep.
Sylme, the brutal Gnome
Taking up your time for 21 years and running.
Sylme, the brutal Gnome
Taking up your time for 21 years and running.
