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So, what factors are there for the renewal mechanic of 1018? Level? Spellsong ranks? Any stats? Also any insights into how this mechanic works in general?
I use song of power every single hunt to great effect but the time based (for lack of a better term) death on renewal aspect is my least favorite part of any song. Being able to give better advice to bards <70 than never renew it, ever, would be appreciated.
Taluric.
Couldn't tell you too many factors... but if you cross another bard singing 1018 in the same room, or a room where either you, or someone else has cast 418, you're gonna have a bad time! There are some warnings that I put over on the wiki that you should set in the boldest of boldest of boldest colors in size 100000 font, because if you see them, and don't take action, you're going to die. You may also kill everyone around you.
All of that being said, if you're a lich user, there is ;manasong, which will automatically drop 1018 before the renew cycle, and reapply it after the renew cycle... This is advantageous assuming that you have adequate song duration and mana to make the manual application and loss of 18 mana per song cycle result in a net gain in mana (likely).
You could attempt the same manually if you're paying attention, or during hunting only, etc.
~Whirlin
All of that being said, if you're a lich user, there is ;manasong, which will automatically drop 1018 before the renew cycle, and reapply it after the renew cycle... This is advantageous assuming that you have adequate song duration and mana to make the manual application and loss of 18 mana per song cycle result in a net gain in mana (likely).
You could attempt the same manually if you're paying attention, or during hunting only, etc.
~Whirlin
In truth those dangers (minor elemental node and 1018 from another singer) I am both perfectly okay with as they are the product of a known effect that is 99% avoidable just by not singing power inside of a town. In the words of a certain spider's uncle "With great power comes great resposibility". I can get behind our songs being dangerous in a general sense.
For the less understood renewal explosion chance though... I have spent 50 trains manually stopping and restarting the song and am aware that the Lich option exists. I just hate the fact that there is soooo much tedium to manually maintaining it.
I'd actually like to see the whole mechanic reworked somehow, but that is outside the realm of this set of questions.
Tal.
For the less understood renewal explosion chance though... I have spent 50 trains manually stopping and restarting the song and am aware that the Lich option exists. I just hate the fact that there is soooo much tedium to manually maintaining it.
I'd actually like to see the whole mechanic reworked somehow, but that is outside the realm of this set of questions.
Tal.
Wow, I you did a good job of breaking it down. I either stopped reading at the word death, or read it and forgot it a long time ago. Maybe more details on this song won't interest me us much as I thought when I read your first post - but I hope you get it as it sounds like you use this song and a little more details could remove some tedium for you.
Yea, the bean-counting aspect of highlighting messaging, watching messages, stopping it, renewing it, etc., appeals to in about equal measure as being killed by my own song!
Yea, the bean-counting aspect of highlighting messaging, watching messages, stopping it, renewing it, etc., appeals to in about equal measure as being killed by my own song!
I wish they would give the option with song of noise as well. If song of noise could be stopped right before renewel and restarted afterwards that would be awesome. It is a good spell except for the fact that you can suddenly lose all your own singing spells. At least give us guild skills to overcome it or something.
When I use Song of Power, I usually just let it go until I see the "struggle to maintain" message on renewal. Granted...on rare occasion, it can blow up before that. But I know it's usually safe for at least a couple renews, sometimes many more. I have blown up and killed myself and others, too, by forgetting I was singing it after allowing it to go past the "struggle" message. To help, I have the "everything's okay" message highlighted green, and the "you're pushing your luck" message highlighted in red. Works for me.
~ GtG (and minions)
~ GtG (and minions)
So I had some grumbling about 1018s mechanic and then a complaint about how 'stop singing 1018' suddenly wasn't a valid option. It's been cleaned up to where I'm happy with it on my end and I'll be posting about the whole 'stop' thing changing in the HSN folder and asking if I need to break some out of date habits.
Basically I'm cleaning up something that was leaning on the rant side as I was a bit peeved about it at the time.
Tal.
Basically I'm cleaning up something that was leaning on the rant side as I was a bit peeved about it at the time.
Tal.
So it has been been a good bit of time but I wanted to get back into these if possible. I know some of the outliers of the ELR are still being worked on so if the timing is bad please feel free to say so. Now on to the meat of the topic.
We were given the mana drain formula for mana leech recently, could we be given the same for that aspect of 1013?
Tal.
We were given the mana drain formula for mana leech recently, could we be given the same for that aspect of 1013?
Tal.
And while we're addressing the Song at all... how about addressing why there are TWO checks for "amount of mana"? And at least one of them is not determined by degree of warding failure (which is what you would expect, against an enemy target).
(See my consolidated complaint in message #516.)
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And given the Bardic Renewal cycle and its attendant mana issues: can we have the casting of Unravel/1013 be split from and totally separate from the Renewal cycle? (Currently, if you cast Unravel and then your medley renewal hits, your Unravel is terminated. [Though the spell may still consider you to be still singing it, so you have to stop it first.] Then you sing it, and pay the opening mana cost again.) This is an unnecessary onus on the Bard.
(See my more clearly written request, in message #543.)
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And, of course, my really much longer list of requests, in #546.
(See my consolidated complaint in message #516.)
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And given the Bardic Renewal cycle and its attendant mana issues: can we have the casting of Unravel/1013 be split from and totally separate from the Renewal cycle? (Currently, if you cast Unravel and then your medley renewal hits, your Unravel is terminated. [Though the spell may still consider you to be still singing it, so you have to stop it first.] Then you sing it, and pay the opening mana cost again.) This is an unnecessary onus on the Bard.
(See my more clearly written request, in message #543.)
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And, of course, my really much longer list of requests, in #546.
