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I've been playing about a week now, and whilst I'm enjoying being back "home," I have a few things that are bothering me.
Why have you nerfed a Bard's ability to loresing? Is that really so damaging to others play? (At least rogues get to pick their own boxes! Can't we sing to our own finds?) So we find out that that strange cube, that we've never seen before, is something to hold onto. Or, sell it because it's junk. To be able to loresing, we have to pay for EACH item we sing to? If I go that route, I'll be broke in another week! I'm not one to go out hunting alone, so my friends now want me to sing to items and I can't. Last time we went out, there were 6 items they wanted sung to. I can already hear folks telling me "It's only 10 coins for each item." Well, when you're on fixed income, that 10 coins per item can mean the difference between making it through the month, or having to scrimp on hubby's medical needs. Guess which one I choose?
Can we join Houses? With us not being able to carry many coins, how (if we can) do we carry enough coins for the induction? I do realize we won't have locker access, but, it's nice to be back among our families.
Oh! And what about any that compete in Bardfest? That's going to be yet another thing...
I'll just wander back into my corner and try not to pull out my hair whilst I have an anxiety attack.
>Can we join Houses?
I know trial accounts could not join houses. I believe that F2Ps cannot either, but I am not 100% sure.
>Oh! And what about any that compete in Bardfest? That's going to be yet another thing...
That will be the decision of Argent Aspis, which hosts the fest every year. I know I welcomed F2Ps to the Twilight Hall events last weekend, but house officers have no tool to determine whether or not an account is F2P regardless.
I know trial accounts could not join houses. I believe that F2Ps cannot either, but I am not 100% sure.
>Oh! And what about any that compete in Bardfest? That's going to be yet another thing...
That will be the decision of Argent Aspis, which hosts the fest every year. I know I welcomed F2Ps to the Twilight Hall events last weekend, but house officers have no tool to determine whether or not an account is F2P regardless.
>Why have you nerfed a Bard's ability to loresing? Is that really so damaging to others play?
It could be, in theory. It prevents existing players from nerfing bards even further by making F2P pocket bards of their own for all singing needs.
That being said, perhaps it could be a monthly pass or something instead of a per-item. I'm not sure.
I'd have to go re-read the posts, but I thought even foraging was somehow limited. There are a number of limitations for many different professions, so this is not a unique hit on bards.
Consider giving spell ups, or even empaths healing. I think these all have limits.
As a CHE officer, I don't see any problem allowing F2P to join houses. Granted my CHE is in River's Rest so you need to do something to enable travel to that city. You correctly indicate locker access probably should not be granted (though a 30 sizes locker, the usual locker size increase) might be okay in my mind.
Obviously, I don't know if CHEs are allowed for F2P, though. As far as the induction fee, I know for Beacon Hall, it is 100k. So, it'd be exactly all your money ^_^
"What Kaldonis does on his off time is totally Kaldonis's business, dude." ~Scribes
It could be, in theory. It prevents existing players from nerfing bards even further by making F2P pocket bards of their own for all singing needs.
That being said, perhaps it could be a monthly pass or something instead of a per-item. I'm not sure.
I'd have to go re-read the posts, but I thought even foraging was somehow limited. There are a number of limitations for many different professions, so this is not a unique hit on bards.
Consider giving spell ups, or even empaths healing. I think these all have limits.
As a CHE officer, I don't see any problem allowing F2P to join houses. Granted my CHE is in River's Rest so you need to do something to enable travel to that city. You correctly indicate locker access probably should not be granted (though a 30 sizes locker, the usual locker size increase) might be okay in my mind.
Obviously, I don't know if CHEs are allowed for F2P, though. As far as the induction fee, I know for Beacon Hall, it is 100k. So, it'd be exactly all your money ^_^
"What Kaldonis does on his off time is totally Kaldonis's business, dude." ~Scribes
Another enormous problem with the Bard specifically:
GROUP SONGS DO NOT WORK FOR F2P.
That's right! The primary function of a Bard in a social hunting environment - to bolster the entire party with their songs - does not work unless the other party members (not the Bard himself, mind you) have a pass to allow F2P players to cast beneficial spells on them. Doesn't matter if the other players are F2P or Subscribed. They cannot receive a F2P bard's song buffs unless they themselves purchase a pass in the simucoin store.
This has to be the dumbest idea I've ever seen. Bards are useless as F2P. Can't Loresing. Can't cast group-wide buffs. Can't do anything that makes a Bard an actual Bard... unless you do it by yourself. Whats the point?
Time to rethink this mechanism.
GROUP SONGS DO NOT WORK FOR F2P.
That's right! The primary function of a Bard in a social hunting environment - to bolster the entire party with their songs - does not work unless the other party members (not the Bard himself, mind you) have a pass to allow F2P players to cast beneficial spells on them. Doesn't matter if the other players are F2P or Subscribed. They cannot receive a F2P bard's song buffs unless they themselves purchase a pass in the simucoin store.
This has to be the dumbest idea I've ever seen. Bards are useless as F2P. Can't Loresing. Can't cast group-wide buffs. Can't do anything that makes a Bard an actual Bard... unless you do it by yourself. Whats the point?
Time to rethink this mechanism.
Can someone please answer why this is necessary? We're not talking about mage buffs here that can sit on a player for 4 hours while the wizard/sorcerer/whatever sits in the safety of town. This is a Bard that has to actively stay with the party and hunt with them in order for them to gain the benefit of their buffs!! Absolutely absurd that those buffs do not work for F2P. Horrible design decision.
I'm curious about Paladin group spells as well as others (empaths have some too...oh yes and clerics).
I agree this seems a little quaint. This isn't a situation of an F2P pocket monkey that sits in town and gives you buff spells once in awhile. It's a character that should be at or higher level than the people being helped, and in the field with them.
It could be slightly "dangerous" to allow all these F2P teams to storm around though. Script 4 accounts together with a paladin, bard, empath, and cleric and you get a pretty serious deathball going. Of course, a 4-character hunting team is usually a deathball for most hunting circumstances without group buff spells, so I'm not sure I see the problem. The F2P bard someone makes, gets to a high level, and uses to help all their other characters at low level with Kai's Triumph? It sounds like someone actually wanted to play that bard...
"What Kaldonis does on his off time is totally Kaldonis's business, dude." ~Scribes
I agree this seems a little quaint. This isn't a situation of an F2P pocket monkey that sits in town and gives you buff spells once in awhile. It's a character that should be at or higher level than the people being helped, and in the field with them.
It could be slightly "dangerous" to allow all these F2P teams to storm around though. Script 4 accounts together with a paladin, bard, empath, and cleric and you get a pretty serious deathball going. Of course, a 4-character hunting team is usually a deathball for most hunting circumstances without group buff spells, so I'm not sure I see the problem. The F2P bard someone makes, gets to a high level, and uses to help all their other characters at low level with Kai's Triumph? It sounds like someone actually wanted to play that bard...
"What Kaldonis does on his off time is totally Kaldonis's business, dude." ~Scribes
