What can we, as players, do? on 10/11/2009 09:51 AM CDT
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Word of mouth just doesn't seem to be an effective means of player-driven advertisement with such a small player base. I know quite a few people feel the current advertisement being done by Corporate Simutronics is not effective enough for their liking. So what can we, as players, do with the blessings of the Powers That Be (ie: Simutronics) to spread the word about GemStone?

I have considered printing bumper stickers and bringing them to Simucon to hand them out, but refrained because A) I had no idea what to put on them, B) I was worried about Simutronics getting quite unhappy about advertising they were involved in for a multitude of reasons.

This same worry has kept me from printing up fliers and leaving them at local comic shops or plastering appropriate places on campus. The worry being Corporate Simutronics would have no control over what was printed on the fliers.

To this end, I have a few propositions I would like to put forth:
1. Simutronics itself should create an official, approved flier for GemStone (heck, each game really) and for Play.Net as a whole. This way players could print out this approved flier and distribute it without concern of "What If Simu..."

2. Create or allow the use of the existing logo for GemStone (and every game again) in a limited context for player-driven advertising of the game.

3. We had a slogan contest a few years back but nothing stuck very well. I'd love to have a short few word slogan to be able to put on a bumper sticker.

4. Update the cafepress.com store with some more recent apparel. Wonderful opportunity for more player created art.




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Re: What can we, as players, do? on 10/11/2009 12:28 PM CDT
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Go ahead and print up flyers and post them all over your city. Simu will never even see them, most likely, and even if they did they would have no way to know who put them up.


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Re: What can we, as players, do? on 10/11/2009 11:45 PM CDT
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Not that I have any say in it, but I like the idea of an official flyer for printing out and distribution. Our players are very passionate folk, and often love to share that passion (no maces!). I think it'd be a smart move to borrow it to advertise the game. :)

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Re: What can we, as players, do? on 10/13/2009 02:20 AM CDT
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>>Go ahead and print up flyers and post them all over your city. Simu will never even see them, most likely, and even if they did they would have no way to know who put them up.

It's still copyright infringement, which in most cases is a federal crime.

Adam (Belnia) is on the money where we need some form of official stance on what we can and can't do, and either a pre-made .pdf flyer we can print out, or direct usage of the GemStone IV logo.

I would make flyers for the local gaming stores, drop a stack off and if we got just one new player out of a bundle of 1000 flyers, it's a start in the right direction.

If players want to advertise GemStone on their own dime, all we need is the right to do it with pre-approved statements and/or artwork.


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Re: What can we, as players, do? on 10/15/2009 11:44 PM CDT
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If you have a dedicated customer base willing to foot the (albeit minimal) cost of printing flyers, the best way to keep everything:

A) On brand
B) Correct (misspelled website = useless)
C) Approved by your top brass

is to create the flyer in color , and black and white, and then post the PDF onto a "promotions" section on your website. It is the print-version of offering banners for download and post on their personal fansites.


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Re: What can we, as players, do? on 10/15/2009 11:45 PM CDT
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Damnit Mario :P


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Re: What can we, as players, do? on 10/16/2009 08:00 AM CDT
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Re: What can we, as players, do? on 10/16/2009 12:54 PM CDT
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>>If players want to advertise GemStone on their own dime, all we need is the right to do it with pre-approved statements and/or artwork.<<

I think it would take more than that.

Part of the risk of having players advertise, no matter how well-intended or passionate they may be about the success of GSIV is that ultimately they do not represent Simutronics or GSIV.

Whatever they put out, where ever they put it out would need to be monitored, and that would just cost Simu time in another form and fashion.

I'm not saying the flyer/self-advertising method isn't a good idea, only that Simu has to be able to cover their own butts and make sure we're not defacing or defaming their products (intentionally or not).




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Re: What can we, as players, do? on 10/16/2009 01:25 PM CDT
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Yeah. That's why we would need official stances on it. Perhaps even an NDA contract with a select bunch who are allowed to independently advertise for Simutronics.


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Re: What can we, as players, do? on 10/17/2009 11:06 AM CDT
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If I print up a bunch of flyers and hand them out at, say, a subway station, how would Simu even know? I say we all hand out flyers to everyone we meet. If we get one interested party for every 1000 handouts, Simu would benefit.


"So, what does that green line on the graph represent?"

"Oh, that's the projection of a hypothetical offspring from a union between Sauron and Cruella de Ville; we use that as a baseline for determining character alignment."
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Re: What can we, as players, do? on 10/18/2009 11:59 AM CDT
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>If I print up a bunch of flyers and hand them out at, say, a subway station, how would Simu even know? - Throgg

You'd be surprised how often this happens. The client officially doesn't know this is going on, but behind the scenes, they are providing the materials :D


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Re: What can we, as players, do? on 10/18/2009 12:01 PM CDT
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Which is why I'd love to see an official, Simutronics-approved flyer I could print up and place around campus in places where it would get attention.




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It had a wooden arrow, a wooden arrow.
It had a white gryphon's wing shell on it!
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Re: What can we, as players, do? on 10/18/2009 05:15 PM CDT
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Re: What can we, as players, do? on 10/18/2009 06:24 PM CDT
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>Which is why I'd love to see an official, Simutronics-approved flyer I could print up and place around campus in places where it would get attention.

THIS.


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Re: What can we, as players, do? on 11/22/2009 10:01 AM CST
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We do have at least one person in our player base who is (in her mother's opinion at least) a marketing genius, particularly in event marketing, where she makes her living.

If Simu would like, she's offered to to look at what might be possible. She wouldn't charge, but might put a positive change in Elanthian population on her resume.

However, she has only a few weeks where she could spend time on it, shortly after the first of the year she'll go back to a 90 hour work week at her day job.

If you email hensonh95@aol.com I'll put her in touch with the powers that be.

Bairyn
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Re: What can we, as players, do? on 12/03/2009 04:44 PM CST
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My, that really stopped the discussion, didn't it?

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Re: What can we, as players, do? on 12/03/2009 05:57 PM CST
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I have to say, with this basic discussion going on in a few different places for quite some time (i.e. years) it's troubling that there has been no official position or action taken. At least none that I have seen...

I'm no expert on active accounts, but I'd have to assume it's pretty small in comparison to 5-10 years ago. How far does the player base have to decrease before someone becomes proactive?

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Re: What can we, as players, do? on 12/12/2009 09:14 PM CST
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I think the facebook games may be great source of folks. Castle Age on Face book is text based and no where near as neat as here.
Chris
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