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Hi all,
I'm finally getting close enough to start planning for post-cap training. Right now I have 2x CMAN as a combination of ranks and phantom ranks from 1611 + lores. I hope to continue that while I work on other things. My question is, can I enhance my ranks above level if I'm utilizing 1611 for effective CMAN ranks, or will the enhancive ranks/bonus simply dip into the 1611 pool that cannot go beyond like-level?
Gotta make sure my CMANs and SMANs work on liches!
Thanks.
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I can tell you for 1625 and 1616 bonuses, as they are merely enhancive, they couple with the normal enhancive system (and limits) for their maxima. However, these also show up in monsterbold under the appropriate location, where as the effect of 1611 does not show up as an enhancive at all under SKILL.
I am also curious about the answer to this question.
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>Daid: Pretty sure you have a whole big bucket as your penny jar. You never have only two cents. :p
I can tell you for 1625 and 1616 bonuses, as they are merely enhancive, they couple with the normal enhancive system (and limits) for their maxima. However, these also show up in monsterbold under the appropriate location, where as the effect of 1611 does not show up as an enhancive at all under SKILL.
I am also curious about the answer to this question.
The deathbot will come back eventually.
>Daid: Pretty sure you have a whole big bucket as your penny jar. You never have only two cents. :p
"The total Combat Maneuver bonus received between Patron's Blessing and the Paladin's training can not surpass what the Paladin would receive were he fully trained in Combat Maneuvers. The AS bonus, however, is uncapped." -- spell description
Where's the mystery? <level+1> x2 + 50 from Enhancive items, same as anything else.
However, if you're already fully doubled in the skill and already wearing the full Enhancive bonus, you being fully doubled in Spell Ranks will still add to your AS, since that bonus is uncapped.
Where's the mystery? <level+1> x2 + 50 from Enhancive items, same as anything else.
However, if you're already fully doubled in the skill and already wearing the full Enhancive bonus, you being fully doubled in Spell Ranks will still add to your AS, since that bonus is uncapped.
The mystery is in how does it work with enhancives?
Assume:
150 Ranks trained in CMANs
50 Ranks from Patron's Blessing
When you add a 20 rank enhancive do you get:
Scenario 1 - Patron's Blessing doesn't factor in your enhanced ability.
150 + 50 + 20 = 220 CMAN ranks
Scenario 2 - Patron's Blessing looks at your enhanced ability.
150 + 32 (reduced from 50 due to 2x cap) + 20 = 202 CMAN ranks
-- Robert
Raggler squeakily says, "Muffins are also known to be one of the most healthiest foods in the world."
Raggler squeakily says, "It's a fact."
Assume:
150 Ranks trained in CMANs
50 Ranks from Patron's Blessing
When you add a 20 rank enhancive do you get:
Scenario 1 - Patron's Blessing doesn't factor in your enhanced ability.
150 + 50 + 20 = 220 CMAN ranks
Scenario 2 - Patron's Blessing looks at your enhanced ability.
150 + 32 (reduced from 50 due to 2x cap) + 20 = 202 CMAN ranks
-- Robert
Raggler squeakily says, "Muffins are also known to be one of the most healthiest foods in the world."
Raggler squeakily says, "It's a fact."
I see what you're saying. <nod> And it should be easy to test, with any maneuver that generates a [modifiers] statement box. Do one nekkid. Do one with spell. Do one with no spell, but Enhancives. Do one with spell and Enhancives. Determine.
My supposition would be that they did it in such a way that the spell happens first (giving you the potential to come up to double-trained), and then Actual Enhancives pile on after that. (In your example, you would see the 220 rank value.)
My supposition would be that they did it in such a way that the spell happens first (giving you the potential to come up to double-trained), and then Actual Enhancives pile on after that. (In your example, you would see the 220 rank value.)
Scenario 2 - Patron's Blessing looks at your enhanced ability.
150 + 32 (reduced from 50 due to 2x cap) + 20 = 202 CMAN ranks
-- Robert
The above example is the way that 1611 functions. Right now the bonus 1611 provides is hard capped at what you could naturally train to, whether you obtain that number through training or enhancives. Enhancives will effectively reduce the bonus you get from 1611.
That being said, the cap isn't applied to AS gains of 1611.
Viduus
150 + 32 (reduced from 50 due to 2x cap) + 20 = 202 CMAN ranks
-- Robert
The above example is the way that 1611 functions. Right now the bonus 1611 provides is hard capped at what you could naturally train to, whether you obtain that number through training or enhancives. Enhancives will effectively reduce the bonus you get from 1611.
That being said, the cap isn't applied to AS gains of 1611.
Viduus
