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Does the quality of the lockpick you use matter at all when you're trying to get a rank in Lock Mastery by having to pick boxes? Or is it just the difficulty of the lock that matters?
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** Lowest Lockpick For LFM **
LM Ranks Lowest Pick
1 - 2 Gold
3 - 4 Mithril
5 - 7 Glaes
8 - 11 Laje
12 - 19 Vultite
20 - 62 Veniom
Thanks to Tsoran for the data.
Tsoran.com
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>Yes, you can degrade a pick to the point where it can no longer be used for reps. It doesn't happen all at once, though.
The best pick for reps is one that has been broken several times and will become too degraded on its next repair. My rule of thumb is that 3 repairs is fine, 4 may still work for reps, and 5 is too many. I recommend you break and repair it 3 times deliberately and if you mess up and break it again while trying for a rep, you may be lucky and it still works after repair, or you may not. It may be a good idea to get a LM master to repair it after the 3rd break, or it may not. LM repairs degrade copper a lot less than NPC repairs, but repeating the research on veniom comes a little expensive to my taste.
The best pick for reps is one that has been broken several times and will become too degraded on its next repair. My rule of thumb is that 3 repairs is fine, 4 may still work for reps, and 5 is too many. I recommend you break and repair it 3 times deliberately and if you mess up and break it again while trying for a rep, you may be lucky and it still works after repair, or you may not. It may be a good idea to get a LM master to repair it after the 3rd break, or it may not. LM repairs degrade copper a lot less than NPC repairs, but repeating the research on veniom comes a little expensive to my taste.
Isn't the best pick for a rep the one that will get the job done with the box in hand? Repaired picks just means you can use them to get those reps off some of the lower end boxes that you wouldn't be able to rep off of normally. I'd explain how getting the reps works but there are people who know more about it and can explain it better then I can.
I'm still a bit confused about all of this, I have been trying various lockpicks and various boxes from different critters and still haven't gotten a single rank. Does getting a rank work similar to getting experience from a box? That is you can still get a rank from a lower level box if you use a lower quality pick? Likewise would you not get a rank from a higher level lock if you use a pick that is too high of quality? Or does the difficulty of the box have to be a certain threshold no matter what quality of pick you use?
Rank or rep? I'm assuming you meant rep, as that makes more sense.
Are you getting any messaging aside from normal box opening messaging? Copy and paste your task so we can see exactly what you need to do. If you pick a lock that is too easy for the rep you're trying to get, you won't get any messaging at all, that may be what you're experiencing.
Generally I try to shoot for roundtime - if I'm trying to get a rep, I use a pick that I think will give me a shot at some roundtime - this is kind of hard to do before you learn to use calipers though. It's not the absolute difficultly of the lock that matters - it's the difficulty compared to your max lock with that specific pick you're using.
Also, if a box has already been used for a rep and relocked, you won't be able to get a rep from it.
-Keleborrn.
Are you getting any messaging aside from normal box opening messaging? Copy and paste your task so we can see exactly what you need to do. If you pick a lock that is too easy for the rep you're trying to get, you won't get any messaging at all, that may be what you're experiencing.
Generally I try to shoot for roundtime - if I'm trying to get a rep, I use a pick that I think will give me a shot at some roundtime - this is kind of hard to do before you learn to use calipers though. It's not the absolute difficultly of the lock that matters - it's the difficulty compared to your max lock with that specific pick you're using.
Also, if a box has already been used for a rep and relocked, you won't be able to get a rep from it.
-Keleborrn.
Sorry, I did mean to say reps. My task is:
The Training Administrator told you to pick some tough boxes from creatures.
You have 5 repetitions remaining to complete this task.
I tried picking boxes from creatures my level starting from copper and going up from there, as soon as I used a pick that didn't say it was beneath my abilities the box opened with no problem and I didn't get a rep. I then tried picking boxes from critters higher level then me and was unable to open them with a lockpick that didn't give me the same message about being beneath my abilities, when I tried better lockpicks they again opened with no reps.
Maybe I got too impatient with the lower quality lockpicks? They kept breaking.
The Training Administrator told you to pick some tough boxes from creatures.
You have 5 repetitions remaining to complete this task.
I tried picking boxes from creatures my level starting from copper and going up from there, as soon as I used a pick that didn't say it was beneath my abilities the box opened with no problem and I didn't get a rep. I then tried picking boxes from critters higher level then me and was unable to open them with a lockpick that didn't give me the same message about being beneath my abilities, when I tried better lockpicks they again opened with no reps.
Maybe I got too impatient with the lower quality lockpicks? They kept breaking.
If you post your DEX bonus, level and lockpick training, I can give you some numbers.
In general terms you are opening locks with picks that make them too easy, (no rep, no message) or picks that are too low in quality, (either due to base mod or repair degradation), (no rep, message). The level of the critter is almost always unimportant. There is a task where it matters at one point, but tough locks are down to how the lock matches the pick and your skills not how the critter matches your level.
In general terms you are opening locks with picks that make them too easy, (no rep, no message) or picks that are too low in quality, (either due to base mod or repair degradation), (no rep, message). The level of the critter is almost always unimportant. There is a task where it matters at one point, but tough locks are down to how the lock matches the pick and your skills not how the critter matches your level.
I guess I was just being too impatient before, after several attempts with a lower quality pick I finally got a rep. I wouldn't mind those numbers though to give me an idea of what I should be doing.
My dex bonus is 39, level 33 and lockpick is 72 ranks (172.)
I appreciate all of the help everyone.
My dex bonus is 39, level 33 and lockpick is 72 ranks (172.)
I appreciate all of the help everyone.
>My dex bonus is 39, level 33 and lockpick is 72 ranks (172.)
This puts you a touch over 2x, which means your tough locks are a little under 75% of your maxlock. Tripled is 65% and I will assume 73% for your training in the examples below.
maxlock = (DEX + skill + lore) * mod
for the first couple of ranks you can use gold (mod = 1.2 when fresh)
maxlock with gold = (39 + 172 + 0) * 1.2 = 253
a tough lock with that pick will be about 253*0.73 so you might get a rep off a -185 box with a fresh gold pick. You also get reps off more difficult locks, but as they get closer to 250 you start breaking gold picks before you open the box and get the rep. (So you get them repaired and maybe you get a rep off a 180 or 175 lock with the repaired pick before it degrades too much to work)
Lets suppose you use a glaes pick (mod 1.6 when fresh)
maxlock with glaes = 211 * 1.6 = 337 and a tough lock with glaes will be about 0.73*337 so you might get a rep off a -245 box with a fresh glaes pick. You also get reps off more difficult locks but as they get closer to 335 your pick starts taking damage before you get a rep.
Lets suppose you use a vaalin pick with self cast lore vaalin mod 2.5, and I reckon your self cast lore bonus will be about 61 (this is a lot rougher, don't trust this number anywhere as close as the previous ones)
maxlock with self-lored vaalin = (39 + 172 + 61) * 2.5 = 680 and a tough lock about 495
So theoretically, you can get a rep anywhere between about -175 (degraded gold) and -680 (lored vaalin maxlock) at the moment. Getting the right pick to get a rep from the lock is tricky bit. When you first start, you have a lot to choose from, but as you advance in LM, the pick quality required gets higher, and having a beat up veniom at the bottom of your range becames a big fraction of it. At the moment a beat up gold isn't, its more a case of not being worried about breaking them in the search for reps. Once a pick is too badly degraded to give reps, get rid of it (e.g. use it for getting a deed)
For decent locks, 2x training requires 65%, with you being slightly over 2x it might be 64%. Just use 0.64 instead of 0.73 in the above examples for your audience picking.
This puts you a touch over 2x, which means your tough locks are a little under 75% of your maxlock. Tripled is 65% and I will assume 73% for your training in the examples below.
maxlock = (DEX + skill + lore) * mod
for the first couple of ranks you can use gold (mod = 1.2 when fresh)
maxlock with gold = (39 + 172 + 0) * 1.2 = 253
a tough lock with that pick will be about 253*0.73 so you might get a rep off a -185 box with a fresh gold pick. You also get reps off more difficult locks, but as they get closer to 250 you start breaking gold picks before you open the box and get the rep. (So you get them repaired and maybe you get a rep off a 180 or 175 lock with the repaired pick before it degrades too much to work)
Lets suppose you use a glaes pick (mod 1.6 when fresh)
maxlock with glaes = 211 * 1.6 = 337 and a tough lock with glaes will be about 0.73*337 so you might get a rep off a -245 box with a fresh glaes pick. You also get reps off more difficult locks but as they get closer to 335 your pick starts taking damage before you get a rep.
Lets suppose you use a vaalin pick with self cast lore vaalin mod 2.5, and I reckon your self cast lore bonus will be about 61 (this is a lot rougher, don't trust this number anywhere as close as the previous ones)
maxlock with self-lored vaalin = (39 + 172 + 61) * 2.5 = 680 and a tough lock about 495
So theoretically, you can get a rep anywhere between about -175 (degraded gold) and -680 (lored vaalin maxlock) at the moment. Getting the right pick to get a rep from the lock is tricky bit. When you first start, you have a lot to choose from, but as you advance in LM, the pick quality required gets higher, and having a beat up veniom at the bottom of your range becames a big fraction of it. At the moment a beat up gold isn't, its more a case of not being worried about breaking them in the search for reps. Once a pick is too badly degraded to give reps, get rid of it (e.g. use it for getting a deed)
For decent locks, 2x training requires 65%, with you being slightly over 2x it might be 64%. Just use 0.64 instead of 0.73 in the above examples for your audience picking.
