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Hello all,
I would like some feedback regarding my character. I am struggling at this time with hunting, and I have died near 3 times in the past week (that is the reason for the low constitution). I am working on fletching and I think that may help my AS a bit. I am using a 4x bow with e-bladed arrows. I miss quite a lot while aiming so I dont use it much. I feel relegated to down-hunting in order not to die, although I would like to level hunt or even uphunt as much as possible. I like warcamps and seemed to do quite well early on, now they are tearing me to shreds.
I am wondering if there are any glaring errors in my training that I can rectify. I built my stats with a forethought on growth even though they will not optimize. It seems I am always struggling with Training Points, and mental points deplete much faster than physical.
I have been 2x ranged, perception, stalking&hiding. 0.5x climbing and swimming. I tried 1x dodge but couldnt keep it up. Everything else is pretty much 1x. I am training CMAN to master shadow mastery. I am open to suggestions regarding other beneficial CMANS.
(at level 12), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use.................| 62 13
Combat Maneuvers..........| 58 12
Ranged Weapons............| 114 28
Ambush....................| 66 14
Physical Fitness..........| 66 14
Dodging...................| 54 11
Harness Power.............| 58 12
Survival..................| 66 14
Stalking and Hiding.......| 114 28
Perception…………............| 114 28
Climbing..................| 35 7
Swimming..................| 35 7
First Aid.................| 66 14
Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual...........| 3
Spell Lists
Ranger...... .............| 11
Race: Sylvankind Profession: Ranger (not shown)
Gender: Male Age: 0 Expr: 193488 Level: 12
Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): ..... 74 (12) ... 74 (12)
Constitution (CON): ..... 74 (12) ... 72 (11)
Dexterity (DEX): ..... 76 (23) ... 76 (23)
Agility (AGI): ..... 76 (18) ... 76 (18)
Discipline (DIS): ..... 73 (6) ... 73 (6)
Aura (AUR): ..... 74 (17) ... 74 (17)
Logic (LOG): ..... 63 (6) ... 63 (6)
Intuition (INT): ..... 79 (14) ... 79 (14)
Wisdom (WIS): ..... 79 (14) ... 79 (14)
Influence (INF): ..... 36 (-7) ... 36 (-7)
Mana: 42
Your problem is just that you're doing ranged at level 12. Ranged DS is much lower at those levels, especially before you get 618 and are 1x in dodge. Try to get mass spells before every hunt and you'll be okay. You might also check out my "Art of the Bow" guide on Krakiipedia.
Good luck,
~ Nuadjha, the Briar Fox
You inhale deeply upon your pipe, puckering your lips as you send out three rings of smoke before you, then puff out a small vine of smoke that darts right through all three which causes them to disperse in a hazy shroud!
Good luck,
~ Nuadjha, the Briar Fox
You inhale deeply upon your pipe, puckering your lips as you send out three rings of smoke before you, then puff out a small vine of smoke that darts right through all three which causes them to disperse in a hazy shroud!
Warcamps get a bit more difficult as you progress in levels because the creatures get new spells and maneuvers just as characters of their professions might. One of my characters is a low level ranger in GoS, with wizard spells, spirit spells, and his own he does just fine in warcamps although sometimes things can get hairy. I think part of warcamping is also knowing when to leave, too wounded, too many have spawned before you've even begun to finish off the last wave, ect. At your level don't expect to be aiming your shots, it won't start becoming decent until 20-25. With my ranger I had skinning skills then dropped them in favor of combat ones, mainly to take PF from 1x to 2x. Ambush is also at 2x but he hunts from the open for now at least so points aren't spent on hiding. Another thing that helps is picking which camps to hunt, giants are the least perceptive, so you'd have better luck sniping against them then either trolls or orcs, orcs I've heard are the most perceptive so you may want to avoid them for a bit. If you have trouble staying in hiding you may want to avoid camps for a bit until you get 617(sneaking), if you are around the landing area hunt large ogres on the trail to Solhaven, they've got very little DS, wear no armor, and although they do use large weapons(flails or two-handed swords) they often drop them and just swing with their bare fists.
More specific advice:
1. Double spells to 107/618. That will help massively with DS.
2. Get mass spells.
3. Master a society as quickly as possible for the mechanical benefits.
4. Don't worry about mastering fletching yet. With a 4x bow and 4x arrows, you're already at the equivalent of 8x, and your AS will scale to that until it reaches it at level 20. You won't be able to increase your effective enchant until your level is high enough to handle it.
5. Hunt in a group.
6. Stance dance.
7. Get dodge to 1x as quickly as possible after you get the above spells.
8. After that, push for 120/640 as quickly as possible.
9. Get better armor (what are you using?)
10. Get a higher bow enchant as you level (at level 13, you can use 5x, etc.)
~ Nuadjha, the Briar Fox
You inhale deeply upon your pipe, puckering your lips as you send out three rings of smoke before you, then puff out a small vine of smoke that darts right through all three which causes them to disperse in a hazy shroud!
1. Double spells to 107/618. That will help massively with DS.
2. Get mass spells.
3. Master a society as quickly as possible for the mechanical benefits.
4. Don't worry about mastering fletching yet. With a 4x bow and 4x arrows, you're already at the equivalent of 8x, and your AS will scale to that until it reaches it at level 20. You won't be able to increase your effective enchant until your level is high enough to handle it.
5. Hunt in a group.
6. Stance dance.
7. Get dodge to 1x as quickly as possible after you get the above spells.
8. After that, push for 120/640 as quickly as possible.
9. Get better armor (what are you using?)
10. Get a higher bow enchant as you level (at level 13, you can use 5x, etc.)
~ Nuadjha, the Briar Fox
You inhale deeply upon your pipe, puckering your lips as you send out three rings of smoke before you, then puff out a small vine of smoke that darts right through all three which causes them to disperse in a hazy shroud!
I'm currently in 4x reinforced. I am waiting for a set of 4x double-leather from a helpful wizard.
I am not sure what to skip training I order to 2x spells. My mt points are always running out. I have to hunt with elemental defenses otherwise dying can happen rather quick. This far the local wizards have been gracious in providing those spells.
I think you are hinting at my skill deficiencies at hunting and you probably are correct. I am still new to the game and I am still learning about my frontend/macros/scripts. I figure that learning curve requires practice. I was hoping to rectify deficiencies in my character's training to help me during this learning curve. The "art of the bow" article was really helpful and was instrumental in this build. I am working on mastering GoS and the warcamp issues are causing some hindrance. If my character build isn't the problem, im fine with this. I figured mastery would take quite some time.
If I'm on the right track and I just need to grow in my own skills with the game and wait for my character to level, that is great news and I am more than willing to do that. I wanted to "make sure" given the fonal days of my initial fixskill as well as the upcoming yearly fixskill. If there are gaps or deficiencies i wanted to correct them. I appreciate your feedback.
Adam
I am not sure what to skip training I order to 2x spells. My mt points are always running out. I have to hunt with elemental defenses otherwise dying can happen rather quick. This far the local wizards have been gracious in providing those spells.
I think you are hinting at my skill deficiencies at hunting and you probably are correct. I am still new to the game and I am still learning about my frontend/macros/scripts. I figure that learning curve requires practice. I was hoping to rectify deficiencies in my character's training to help me during this learning curve. The "art of the bow" article was really helpful and was instrumental in this build. I am working on mastering GoS and the warcamp issues are causing some hindrance. If my character build isn't the problem, im fine with this. I figured mastery would take quite some time.
If I'm on the right track and I just need to grow in my own skills with the game and wait for my character to level, that is great news and I am more than willing to do that. I wanted to "make sure" given the fonal days of my initial fixskill as well as the upcoming yearly fixskill. If there are gaps or deficiencies i wanted to correct them. I appreciate your feedback.
Adam
Post a brief log of yourself hunting, why don't you?
~ Nuadjha, the Briar Fox
You inhale deeply upon your pipe, puckering your lips as you send out three rings of smoke before you, then puff out a small vine of smoke that darts right through all three which causes them to disperse in a hazy shroud!
~ Nuadjha, the Briar Fox
You inhale deeply upon your pipe, puckering your lips as you send out three rings of smoke before you, then puff out a small vine of smoke that darts right through all three which causes them to disperse in a hazy shroud!
<I am struggling at this time with hunting, and I have died near 3 times in the past week (that is the reason for the low constitution).>
I actually kinda chuckled when I saw this since I've died myself four times in the last 24 hours... sometimes you just get unlucky for a while.
<I miss quite a lot while aiming so I dont use it much.>
Until you get to around level 25 or so you won't be that good at aiming, esp if you're going for their eyes (which you'll want to do exclusively once you can do so reliably).
<I am wondering if there are any glaring errors in my training that I can rectify. I built my stats with a forethought on growth even though they will not optimize. It seems I am always struggling with Training Points, and mental points deplete much faster than physical.>
I'm assuming you have Survival and FA for skinning. If that's the case, you can safely drop FA without your skinning ability dropping noticeably so long as you remember to cast 604 before attempting to skin a critter.
Depending on how much you use your spells when hunting, you can drop HP to as low as .5x if you need the points for other things. If you rely heavily on offensive spells, you won't want to do that, but if you're mainly using mana just to spell up it's something to consider.
Someone else mentioned doubling in spells until you get 107 and 618. That's certainly an option if you want to try it, though there aren't many critters prior to level 25 that cast CS spells (which is why you'd want 107... though I haven't done a lot of warcamps so you might want it for that) and there's really no reason to get spells before you can cast them. My non-GoS archer ranger only has the first spell on the minor spirit list and doesn't miss having the others since she's in hiding 90% of the time she's hunting. Once you get a few more levels under your belt and can cast 613, 617, and 618 you should see a significant increase in your hunting ability.
<I am waiting for a set of 4x double-leather from a helpful wizard.>
4x doubles should do you fine until you have 30 ranks in Armor Use, when you'll want to find a set of 4x brig to replace it. Once you're in brig, you can stop training in Armor Use to put those points elsewhere for a while, though you might want to get more training later to get into a higher ASG armor when you get close to cap..... but that's a fair ways off.
Starchitin
A severed gnomish hand crawls in on its fingertips and makes a rude gesture before quickly decaying and rotting into dust. A gust of wind quickly scatters the dust.
I actually kinda chuckled when I saw this since I've died myself four times in the last 24 hours... sometimes you just get unlucky for a while.
<I miss quite a lot while aiming so I dont use it much.>
Until you get to around level 25 or so you won't be that good at aiming, esp if you're going for their eyes (which you'll want to do exclusively once you can do so reliably).
<I am wondering if there are any glaring errors in my training that I can rectify. I built my stats with a forethought on growth even though they will not optimize. It seems I am always struggling with Training Points, and mental points deplete much faster than physical.>
I'm assuming you have Survival and FA for skinning. If that's the case, you can safely drop FA without your skinning ability dropping noticeably so long as you remember to cast 604 before attempting to skin a critter.
Depending on how much you use your spells when hunting, you can drop HP to as low as .5x if you need the points for other things. If you rely heavily on offensive spells, you won't want to do that, but if you're mainly using mana just to spell up it's something to consider.
Someone else mentioned doubling in spells until you get 107 and 618. That's certainly an option if you want to try it, though there aren't many critters prior to level 25 that cast CS spells (which is why you'd want 107... though I haven't done a lot of warcamps so you might want it for that) and there's really no reason to get spells before you can cast them. My non-GoS archer ranger only has the first spell on the minor spirit list and doesn't miss having the others since she's in hiding 90% of the time she's hunting. Once you get a few more levels under your belt and can cast 613, 617, and 618 you should see a significant increase in your hunting ability.
<I am waiting for a set of 4x double-leather from a helpful wizard.>
4x doubles should do you fine until you have 30 ranks in Armor Use, when you'll want to find a set of 4x brig to replace it. Once you're in brig, you can stop training in Armor Use to put those points elsewhere for a while, though you might want to get more training later to get into a higher ASG armor when you get close to cap..... but that's a fair ways off.
Starchitin
A severed gnomish hand crawls in on its fingertips and makes a rude gesture before quickly decaying and rotting into dust. A gust of wind quickly scatters the dust.
<<<Until you get to around level 25 or so you won't be that good at aiming, esp if you're going for their eyes (which you'll want to do exclusively once you can do so reliably).>>>>
Just adding to Starchitin's excellent post. You might also like to try aiming somewhere a bit easier to hit. The leg is always a good option, as it keeps critters busy, reduces their AS/DS and may prevent certain maneuvers. After that, go for the kill. If you can't reliably hit eyes, try for the neck, head, or abdomen.
<<<Someone else mentioned doubling in spells until you get 107 and 618. That's certainly an option if you want to try it, though there aren't many critters prior to level 25 that cast CS spells (which is why you'd want 107... though I haven't done a lot of warcamps so you might want it for that) and there's really no reason to get spells before you can cast them. My non-GoS archer ranger only has the first spell on the minor spirit list and doesn't miss having the others since she's in hiding 90% of the time she's hunting. Once you get a few more levels under your belt and can cast 613, 617, and 618 you should see a significant increase in your hunting ability.>>>>
This is good advice. I stayed at 103 until 40-something. That's when her TD started to be a problem, so I quickly trained up to 107, where she's at now. Both her physical and magical defenses are pretty solid now, especially adding society abilities. She's also a sniper, so if I find she's too vulnerable in the open she can always stay hidden. Now that she's got 640 I plan to take Minor Spirituals up to 120 before returning to the Ranger circle. I might go to 130 for rescues and convenience, but that's a personal preference.
<<<4x doubles should do you fine until you have 30 ranks in Armor Use, when you'll want to find a set of 4x brig to replace it. Once you're in brig, you can stop training in Armor Use to put those points elsewhere for a while, though you might want to get more training later to get into a higher ASG armor when you get close to cap..... but that's a fair ways off.>>>
My ranger is still quite happy with her 4x doubles, approaching 50th level. More armor training may be in her future, but being a halfling she relies more upon avoidance than armor. YMMV.
~ Heathyr and friends
Just adding to Starchitin's excellent post. You might also like to try aiming somewhere a bit easier to hit. The leg is always a good option, as it keeps critters busy, reduces their AS/DS and may prevent certain maneuvers. After that, go for the kill. If you can't reliably hit eyes, try for the neck, head, or abdomen.
<<<Someone else mentioned doubling in spells until you get 107 and 618. That's certainly an option if you want to try it, though there aren't many critters prior to level 25 that cast CS spells (which is why you'd want 107... though I haven't done a lot of warcamps so you might want it for that) and there's really no reason to get spells before you can cast them. My non-GoS archer ranger only has the first spell on the minor spirit list and doesn't miss having the others since she's in hiding 90% of the time she's hunting. Once you get a few more levels under your belt and can cast 613, 617, and 618 you should see a significant increase in your hunting ability.>>>>
This is good advice. I stayed at 103 until 40-something. That's when her TD started to be a problem, so I quickly trained up to 107, where she's at now. Both her physical and magical defenses are pretty solid now, especially adding society abilities. She's also a sniper, so if I find she's too vulnerable in the open she can always stay hidden. Now that she's got 640 I plan to take Minor Spirituals up to 120 before returning to the Ranger circle. I might go to 130 for rescues and convenience, but that's a personal preference.
<<<4x doubles should do you fine until you have 30 ranks in Armor Use, when you'll want to find a set of 4x brig to replace it. Once you're in brig, you can stop training in Armor Use to put those points elsewhere for a while, though you might want to get more training later to get into a higher ASG armor when you get close to cap..... but that's a fair ways off.>>>
My ranger is still quite happy with her 4x doubles, approaching 50th level. More armor training may be in her future, but being a halfling she relies more upon avoidance than armor. YMMV.
~ Heathyr and friends
