I think loot needs to be better for capped players overall. We should not be penalized for "hunting pressure" when we have only 3 options for hunting. The loot in the Rift isn't bad, but it's by no means the best out there (most of the lower level planes are wealthier than plane 4 and even the scatter!). I think it should be a bit better for the highest level area of the game. I was finding far better loot in the 30-70 range than I do now. The same goes for OTF and Nelemar.

I find the GS treasure system unrewarding enough as it is without having to ponder why I hit my peak for earning treasure at levels 55-65.

~Taverkin

As a player who frequents the scatter, I support this decision! LoL

~Taverkin

>Let OTF, Nelemar, and planes 1-5 stay how they are, but the Scatter really should be the richest area in the game and immune to hunting pressure. Everywhere else can be farmed very easily. Unlike everywhere else, Scatter, from my experiences, is a place you can't exactly go hunt while simultaeously watching TV, eating dinner, and doing homework and expect to come out alive. I'd be willing to bet that The Scatter is the only area in Shattered that isn't afk script hunted. Ever wonder why? The reason should be obvious, which is the same reason it should be exempt from treasure shifting. ~ Methais

Well said. Also, if you factor in increased foot traffic due to this increased treasure gen rate the area will be even harder. I've heard the place swarms like mad with only a few people in it. I honestly think script hunters wouldn't bother. They can match the output of wealth by sheer brute force in OTF by script hunting on easy mode for hours on end.

Why Nelemar? I've actually hunted there prior to capping and before I had all of E's toys. It isn't quite as easy as OTF, but is definitely not what i'd describe as an end-game level challenge.

How the heck are rescues in Nelemar hard? You can 130 out.

There is only 1 known way to rapidly exit the scatter, unless i'm mistaken. Voln fogging, which comes with its own unique penalties.

I'm not even sure what you're arguing for, Doug. The point was raised that The Scatter would make sense as an area that is free from hunting pressure. Are you arguing that Nelemar should be as well?

Which area is harder? Hint: There is only 1 right answer.

Oh? Are you basing this 'fact' of there only being one right answer from what you 'heard', as you indicated previously? Or was that not quite accurate?

I will, however, admit to being surprised that you, E, are actually advocating for more difficult and tedious solutions. Definitely not where I would normally place your response pattern.

From my explorations -- each area presents challenges that vary not just in area / creature, but in profession / skill / likes / dislikes / attitude. Consider the value of the Teras community, as one example. Consider the success of the empath versus the sorcerer as another. This holds true for all three under discussion, and includes war-camps (since we're talking capped character treasure).

In truth, I would feel better about the suggestion if it weren't pinned down to a single area as a topic of discussion -- given the vagaries mentioned. But as long as we're going to limit the selection to one in the recommendation, my point remains:

That point is Nelemar has the same 'advantages', yet doesn't carry quite the burden of decay, which can lead to hurt feelings.

Our opinions differ, just as do our experiences. I trust you can appreciate mine. Thank you for sharing yours.

Doug

I just wanted to make sure you were still willing to argue something as ridiculously ludicrous as the notion that Nelemar compares to The Scatter in terms of difficulty. It appears you are, so I won't bother attempting to discuss the matter with you any further.

I've hunted both Nelemar and the scatter a lot. For me the back of the second floor and the north side of the scatter have almost the same level of difficulty but the scatter is still the harder of the two. In Nelemar I can stand in swarms and be just fine as long as I don't have more then one sentry or greater water elemental to deal with. In the scatter unless I am hunting with a partner I tend to avoid the swarms, destroyers aren't much of a threat usually and if cerebralites didn't mass dispel they wouldn't be either, or if fetish masters didn't have their dolls or tangle weed, I dodge a lot of their spike thorn. Siphons are a worry because of their CS, they can't ward me 100% of the time with empath or sorcerer spells but a lucky cast could do me in or a hit from eblast, I could probably use some of the voln symbols to control them a bit more then I do though. The scatter also swarms more then Nelemar does. But that is comparing the easiest part of the scatter to the hardest part of Nelemar and the scatter wins. For most of us at cap and even before it the third floor of Nelemar tends to be a walk in the park aa strong eblast would do me innd the front part of the second floor is only difficult because of the drowning maneuver, it is still fairly easy though as that is where the lowest level creatures gen. The scatter also has the added bonus of being a self spelled area basically, Nelemar is only spell burst so while you are limited to what you can wear by training and profession you can still wear outside spells which is a huge advantage. And while decaying in the rift can suck I am not sure the last time someone decayed up there. There are quite a few of us around right now who can make scatter rescues, Kaedra, Kerl, Taverkin, Dgry, Telare, Allereli, Vindicate, Holymoon, and myself to name a few. So, I am sure that while someone can die at an odd hour and not get pulled out the same thing can happen in Nelemar, someone died in there earlier today with no one around to rescue them it seemed like by their chatting on lnet.

I'd be all for Nelemar being exempt from hunting pressure too. Maneuvers (and their stuns that last forever) and disarm suck pretty hard, and sentries will implode your face off. And the whole being secluded from the rest of the game part too, which is the only thing I've always hated about Teras. WTB faster boat schedule.

The more I think about it though, the more I think it should be more based on the creature's level at cap...like anything with a base level of 100+ should be exempt.

I think the Scatter is definitely more difficult than Nelemar, at least for me with my Immolate build. Most things in the Scatter cost a lot more mana for me to kill than they do in Nelemar, and I usually have to leave the room when destroyers show up.

The only thing in Nelemar that actually gives me problems are greater water elementals, and that's due to their ridiculously high TD. They require dispels a lot of the time too to even hit them with bolts, but for the most part I just skip them since they can't drop boxes or anything anyway unless Immolate insta-kills them.

So yeah I guess I'm sort of changing my stance to any critter with a base level of 100 or higher should be exempt from hunting pressure.

I'd love to hear why having level 100+ critters in a level 100 game having the best loot in the game would be a bad thing.

~ Methais

OTF needs work anyway. I think the Ithzir should all be upgraded to 95-100+ range, for starters. The layout or at least the distribution of creatures and entrances and exits to facilitate some sort of sensible separation between capped hunting and low-mid 80s hunting would be nice, too. And maybe some new creatures to play with over level 100.

That'd be nice. But you know what would be really nice? More capped hunting grounds! It's really needed at this point. You can't expect your customers to stick around playing in the same 3 areas forever, can you?

~Taverkin