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Can we look at getting the -10 AS penalty removed with one-handed use? I think the 2x Edged requirement is enough to indicate our mastery over the weapon in one-handed combat. My Erithian Warrior would be most pleased!
I have to agree with this since using a Katana one-handed is very expensive and adding -10 AS on top seems to further discourage it. Also, why is the penalty only applied when the off-hand is empty? I understand that Katanas have natural HCW but Katars offer a similar increase in effectiveness to the HCW from Katanas through high DFs for a base 3 RT weapon and some of the best AvDs of all the one-handed weapons against the heavier armors. All while being puncture/slash only for effective ambushing as well attrition based combat. If anything Katars should be the weapon with the -10 AS penalty if something is held in the offhand since they are the brawling hybrid.
Menos is correct.
Two-handed katana uses THW skill.
One-handed katana uses the average of your THW and Edged skills, just like a katar.
The other switchable weapons work as expected:
Bastard swords use only THW/Edged as appropriate.
Spears just use your polearm skill, regardless of grip, because that's how polearms work.
Two-handed katana uses THW skill.
One-handed katana uses the average of your THW and Edged skills, just like a katar.
The other switchable weapons work as expected:
Bastard swords use only THW/Edged as appropriate.
Spears just use your polearm skill, regardless of grip, because that's how polearms work.
That's entirely my point with Katanas. In order to use them one-handed you HAVE to train in THW and Edged. It's my understanding the -10 AS is there to show case the difficulty using a Katana one-handed yet we're effectively masters of one handed AND two handed weapons simply by training to use a Katana. -10 AS on top of the double training is a bit too much. Furthermore, THW is more expensive at 3/1 than brawling at 2/1. Katanas are the most expensive weapon to train for in the game AND have a -10 AS penalty. It's annoying.
My understanding was that while you could use a katana with only one hand (via training), they really aren't meant to be used in that fashion. The -10 AS is to account for the fact that the weapon is meant to be used with both hands (one for force, the second for guidance). That isn't to say that there shouldn't be a negative to AS or what have you, but I think that was the original thought.
It's been a long time since they were released though, so I could be remembering wrong.
I dont remember what the specific reasoning was when they were released but it definitely feels excessive as it is implemented. If it is for realism then that is a slippery slope when grippable polearms, bastard swords etc. have no such limitation. Balance is probably the cause of the -10 AS but I feel having to train in two weapon skills for maximum effectiveness one-handed is steep enough.
"I feel having to train in two weapon skills for maximum effectiveness one-handed is steep enough." -- CaveManiac
Wait, what?
If I were that sort of person, I would read this piece of sentence and think that you want to train in only a single skill [presumably 2Hand Weapons], but continue to use the katana one-handed.
Please tell me that I need not be that sort of person.
You are training in two skills in order to have the flexibility to use the weapon either 2- or 1-handedly.
Yes, there is an AS penalty when used 1-handed.
However, as noted previously, the weapon comes with free built-in weighting.
Yes, I understand that the claidhmore comes with even more built-in weighting, and no AS penalty, either, so there!
However, the claidhmore does not provide the flexibility to be used 1-handed.
Different tools for different situations. Different skillset for different tools.
Wait, what?
If I were that sort of person, I would read this piece of sentence and think that you want to train in only a single skill [presumably 2Hand Weapons], but continue to use the katana one-handed.
Please tell me that I need not be that sort of person.
You are training in two skills in order to have the flexibility to use the weapon either 2- or 1-handedly.
Yes, there is an AS penalty when used 1-handed.
However, as noted previously, the weapon comes with free built-in weighting.
Yes, I understand that the claidhmore comes with even more built-in weighting, and no AS penalty, either, so there!
However, the claidhmore does not provide the flexibility to be used 1-handed.
Different tools for different situations. Different skillset for different tools.
"I feel having to train in two weapon skills for maximum effectiveness one-handed is steep enough." -- CaveManiac
"Wait, what?" -- Krakii
In order to use a katana one handed, you need to train in THW as well as Edged. You cannot simply train in edged and use a katana one-handed (at least that is my recollection).
-- Robert
A powerful whirlpool is suddenly overtaken by a windy vortex!
"Wait, what?" -- Krakii
In order to use a katana one handed, you need to train in THW as well as Edged. You cannot simply train in edged and use a katana one-handed (at least that is my recollection).
-- Robert
A powerful whirlpool is suddenly overtaken by a windy vortex!
I read the overall point as 'why is there a -10 AS in addition to the requirement to train in two skills'.
My answer would be - while swinging a katana one handed can lead to significant painful results, the weapon is designed to use leverage in the stroke - so the 'penalty' of not getting that leverage is expressed in the system by a reduction in AS.
In truth, though - that's old school thought. While I'm fairly confident in its accuracy, it sort of is a Heisman answer to the (perhaps more) direct question of 'can we not just do away with this penalty, please?'
Doug
My answer would be - while swinging a katana one handed can lead to significant painful results, the weapon is designed to use leverage in the stroke - so the 'penalty' of not getting that leverage is expressed in the system by a reduction in AS.
In truth, though - that's old school thought. While I'm fairly confident in its accuracy, it sort of is a Heisman answer to the (perhaps more) direct question of 'can we not just do away with this penalty, please?'
Doug
This, though, off the wiki: https://gswiki.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Katana
>>There is no AS penalty if the off-hand is empty.
Doug
>>There is no AS penalty if the off-hand is empty.
Doug
<You can get +15 DS for an empty offhand, now, if you have 0.5x in TWC.>
If that applies without brawling ranks and/or a THW weapon in hand, it has to be a bug....
Starchitin
A severed gnomish hand crawls in on its fingertips and makes a rude gesture before quickly decaying and rotting into dust. A gust of wind quickly scatters the dust.
If that applies without brawling ranks and/or a THW weapon in hand, it has to be a bug....
Starchitin
A severed gnomish hand crawls in on its fingertips and makes a rude gesture before quickly decaying and rotting into dust. A gust of wind quickly scatters the dust.
