Thinking last night about what could be a neat addition in the 940 slot, and it got me thinking about something that could make use of the Force on Force mechanic and stay true to the magic prowess of a Wizard. Basically, I was thinking some sort of 'mirror image' that could be cast, causing a creature (or creatures?) to believe there are multiple opponents and lowering their defensive strength.
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But, unless it does basically the exact same thing, mechanically speaking, it doesn't sound like those promoting a wizard version of 240 are going to be happy. I expect that if we did get something to fill 940, it would be something vastly different than 240. I'd also expect that it would be something that would likely give a mechanical advantage, yes, but I don't expect it would be a recast or multi-cast of previously cast spell.
I expect, in general, that wizards be wizards, sorcerers be sorcers, clerics... well, you get the idea here. I am not an advocate for the mechanical merging of the classes.
Re: 940: Mirror Image on 05/10/2017 11:50 AM CDT
It's not going to be mechanically implemented the same way because with the way bolts and EBP work, a 240 copy wouldn't address the issue sufficiently. I'm promoting the result, which is a high probability of a guaranteed kill, which is not the same thing. I fully expect it will be multi-cast or multi-cycle bolts of some kind because that is the only thing that addresses the problem with the bolting system.
I expect wizards to be able to become magically proficient with bolts. I don't see this as mechanical merging of the classes at all. You can still play without using this tool if you so choose.
Right now, wizards are expected to be wizards without the tools to make them as effective or less tedious in post-cap, single target combat as any other pure enjoys. I expect parity in the quality of life and post-cap lethality, which are all achieved in different ways.
If anything was cookie cutter, it was giving sorcerers balefire, etc.
I expect wizards to be able to become magically proficient with bolts. I don't see this as mechanical merging of the classes at all. You can still play without using this tool if you so choose.
Right now, wizards are expected to be wizards without the tools to make them as effective or less tedious in post-cap, single target combat as any other pure enjoys. I expect parity in the quality of life and post-cap lethality, which are all achieved in different ways.
If anything was cookie cutter, it was giving sorcerers balefire, etc.
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Put differently... some players not wanting a tool is not a reason to not grant it. There were tons of spell updates that I didn't want, yet they all got pushed through because certain players or builds wanted them (902, etc).
It's what a subset of players, many post-cap pures, do want that should drive positive development and implementation of tools. This is a disparity between post-cap bolting and warding spells that's backed up by evidence and numerical data, so it's clear that Estild recognizes that this gap exists. I'm going to continue to move the discussion forward by finishing gathering the data and summarizing the results.
Tools are there to give players options in how to play. More cake for everyone!
It's what a subset of players, many post-cap pures, do want that should drive positive development and implementation of tools. This is a disparity between post-cap bolting and warding spells that's backed up by evidence and numerical data, so it's clear that Estild recognizes that this gap exists. I'm going to continue to move the discussion forward by finishing gathering the data and summarizing the results.
Tools are there to give players options in how to play. More cake for everyone!
Re: 940: Mirror Image on 05/11/2017 08:08 AM CDT
Once again, it would be nice if the following occurred in idea threads.
Player shares an idea regarding something.
Others chime in on what they LIKE about the idea and build upon it from there.
Players do not chime in with, I DON'T LIKE YOUR IDEA BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE THING I WANT.
All players allow the GMS to make up their own minds regarding the ideas being presented and if something is changed, learn to accept it as there is a great deal in life outside your control.
As I gaze over the horizon, the wind tugs at my cloak and whispers, "Adventure" in my ear.
AIM: Kaight (Matt) GS4
Player shares an idea regarding something.
Others chime in on what they LIKE about the idea and build upon it from there.
Players do not chime in with, I DON'T LIKE YOUR IDEA BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE THING I WANT.
All players allow the GMS to make up their own minds regarding the ideas being presented and if something is changed, learn to accept it as there is a great deal in life outside your control.
As I gaze over the horizon, the wind tugs at my cloak and whispers, "Adventure" in my ear.
AIM: Kaight (Matt) GS4
Re: 940: Mirror Image on 05/11/2017 08:18 AM CDT
No, I don't like the idea because it won't solve the problem, plus it's not my idea of what is wizardly. Ideas are to be commented upon, as Sleken said. The last thing I want to end up with is like the ELR or waste Dev time on something that misses addressing the problem. Accept that players have opinions, backed by fact, about what is going to address issues.
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