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With the opening up of creation systems to all,albiet with guild assosiated bonuses,I think the situation with tanning and arranged skins needs to be looked into.Either by removing the difference between trophy pelts and skillfully skinned pelts as far as item quality is concerned,or opening the arrange verb up to all with a bonus to rangers.
Drachus
>>With the opening up of creation systems to all,albiet with guild assosiated bonuses,I think the situation with tanning and arranged skins needs to be looked into.Either by removing the difference between trophy pelts and skillfully skinned pelts as far as item quality is concerned,or opening the arrange verb up to all with a bonus to rangers.
this subject was brought up at SimuCon during the Lore and Survival seminar, I think, and the Gms were going to look in to this area.
The idea wasn't to open Arrange up, but to let those with the requisite skinning skills to be able to get trophy skins on occasion without having to arrange, so it would sometimes happen for those with significantly more skinning skill than the minimum required to be able to skin a creature.
Kyn
this subject was brought up at SimuCon during the Lore and Survival seminar, I think, and the Gms were going to look in to this area.
The idea wasn't to open Arrange up, but to let those with the requisite skinning skills to be able to get trophy skins on occasion without having to arrange, so it would sometimes happen for those with significantly more skinning skill than the minimum required to be able to skin a creature.
Kyn
>>The idea wasn't to open Arrange up, but to let those with the requisite skinning skills to be able to get trophy skins on occasion without having to arrange, so it would sometimes happen for those with significantly more skinning skill than the minimum required to be able to skin a creature.
Yes, just like sometimes when you pick a box, you accidentally make a new lockpick. ;p
~Daergoth
Yes, just like sometimes when you pick a box, you accidentally make a new lockpick. ;p
~Daergoth
<<wouldn't be any different than having lockpicks,keyblanks, and runestones in the treasure system.
>>
Lockpicks...it would be like having a grandmaster (or hey, even master may) lockpick in the treasure system.
Keyblanks...following the analogy to skinning, would be like finding a skinning knife in the treasure system (which there is).
Runestone. okay. i like runestones.
Jal
>>
Lockpicks...it would be like having a grandmaster (or hey, even master may) lockpick in the treasure system.
Keyblanks...following the analogy to skinning, would be like finding a skinning knife in the treasure system (which there is).
Runestone. okay. i like runestones.
Jal
I think that non-Rangers should have a chance to retrieve some of the lesser quality arrange messages with significantly more skinning than it takes to skin the critter.
For example, Joe Barbarian decides he wants a goblin skin pouch and heads into goblins to fight. He kills twenty goblins and gets one better than skillful peel off of them with say a minimum of 150 in skinning. And you just work up from there...wouldn't be that horribly far-fetched, and what the heck...why not? Although maybe 150 is a bit lax, a bit more like 200 probably for the most basic things like goblins. Just my thoughts...
-Teeklin Tessenoak, Proud Ranger of Elanthia
For example, Joe Barbarian decides he wants a goblin skin pouch and heads into goblins to fight. He kills twenty goblins and gets one better than skillful peel off of them with say a minimum of 150 in skinning. And you just work up from there...wouldn't be that horribly far-fetched, and what the heck...why not? Although maybe 150 is a bit lax, a bit more like 200 probably for the most basic things like goblins. Just my thoughts...
-Teeklin Tessenoak, Proud Ranger of Elanthia
<<Although maybe 150 is a bit lax, a bit more like 200 probably for the most basic things like goblins. Just my thoughts...
One day Treveri looked around and decided to fill the void and he said, "Let there be skinning." and there was skinning. On the second day he said, "Let the land have many expensive pelts." and creatures began to shed their expensive pelts. The next day the Treveri said, "Let my rangers have a gigantic bonus." and this was deemed ok since everybody else could skin just not like the rangers. Over the course of the next two days the Treveri also added bundling, arranging, and weight to his skinning system.
See now this is where it gets interesting... On the sixth day the Treveri said, "Let no one but my Rangers be able to get a trophy no matter the skill! Let no one but my Rangers be able to skin anything of value at their hunting level! Let there be snide remarks when anyone but my Rangers skin a creature!" And the non-Rangers were sad as they suddenly stopped making money from skins.
On the seventh and final day of the week the Treveri sat back and smiled at the shrine he had built around his new skinning and declared, "This is good," he added with a slight mutter, "for MY Rangers." With this the Treveri disappeared into the shadows to let HIS Rangers skin and make money in happiness.
Moral of the story... please don't screw over non-rangers anymore with skinning.
Majebrad
One day Treveri looked around and decided to fill the void and he said, "Let there be skinning." and there was skinning. On the second day he said, "Let the land have many expensive pelts." and creatures began to shed their expensive pelts. The next day the Treveri said, "Let my rangers have a gigantic bonus." and this was deemed ok since everybody else could skin just not like the rangers. Over the course of the next two days the Treveri also added bundling, arranging, and weight to his skinning system.
See now this is where it gets interesting... On the sixth day the Treveri said, "Let no one but my Rangers be able to get a trophy no matter the skill! Let no one but my Rangers be able to skin anything of value at their hunting level! Let there be snide remarks when anyone but my Rangers skin a creature!" And the non-Rangers were sad as they suddenly stopped making money from skins.
On the seventh and final day of the week the Treveri sat back and smiled at the shrine he had built around his new skinning and declared, "This is good," he added with a slight mutter, "for MY Rangers." With this the Treveri disappeared into the shadows to let HIS Rangers skin and make money in happiness.
Moral of the story... please don't screw over non-rangers anymore with skinning.
Majebrad
Well, if all seem open to a guild specific thing being out there for all as a "treasure", when can I expect to see celestial jewelry (skill enhancers, not gweths) in the treasure system. Or somehow, get a one-shot dragon dance, or teef cookies etc. It's a guild specific thing. Since tanning ain't really that beneficial to 90% of us rangers in terms of profits, deal. Yes, I can underhunt and get arranged pelts worth alot more. But guess what, if I hunt at my level, I can get pelts worth just as much w/o arranging. So arranging isn't the big moneymaker. Ask me if I can pick boxes off things at my level. Gotta underhunt there. And skinning the arranged critter ain't exactly teachin me loads either. So to those wanting to get trophy pelts, I'd kinda agree that maybe a 200 or so rank buffer. I mean, we have to get 100 ranks as rangers just to get the chance to arrange anything. I'd love to skin a leucro, or an adan'f, and get trophies w/o arranging too, but that's not why arranging came about.
Fred
Fred
The discussion is not to open it up as a "treasure".I started this discussion because of tanning,and only tanning.Should we make it so that only barbarians and paladins can use the new metals?No.Trophy pelts should be available to everyone as a skin,or tanning materials should cap off at skillfully skinned,and the system should be totally skill based.To make the system dependant on trophy skins,and then give rangers a bonus to the process,eliminates every other guild from participating.
If that is the way its going to stay,smithing should stay paladin and barbarian only.
Drachus
If that is the way its going to stay,smithing should stay paladin and barbarian only.
Drachus
<<So arranging isn't the big moneymaker.
In leucro about a week ago a ranger was arranging and getting trophies a good majority of the time. As the swarms continued all he did was skin. 100 hides and we had made 20 plats with a trader selling the bundles. This took us 30 minutes.
Anyways I wasn't really commenting on arranging really like I should have been but was more talking on terms of overall skinning. Rangers have a huge bonus... in order to keep them from getting arranged trophies on things at their levels they had to jack up the difficulty of skinning overall very very high. It makes it incredibly rough for non-Rangers in the process.
Majebrad
In leucro about a week ago a ranger was arranging and getting trophies a good majority of the time. As the swarms continued all he did was skin. 100 hides and we had made 20 plats with a trader selling the bundles. This took us 30 minutes.
Anyways I wasn't really commenting on arranging really like I should have been but was more talking on terms of overall skinning. Rangers have a huge bonus... in order to keep them from getting arranged trophies on things at their levels they had to jack up the difficulty of skinning overall very very high. It makes it incredibly rough for non-Rangers in the process.
Majebrad
>>The discussion is not to open it up as a "treasure". I started this discussion because of tanning,and only tanning.
And this is exactly why it was discussed with the GMs at the con, because at this time, the only way to have a good tanned item is by using a trophy skin, and trophy skins are only available by arranging, so tanning is being limited to rangers and their good friends only.
Or those who keep a pet ranger, which I don't and have no intention of doing. I spend enough time on playing the one guild I want to without needing to keep pets, too.
Kyn
And this is exactly why it was discussed with the GMs at the con, because at this time, the only way to have a good tanned item is by using a trophy skin, and trophy skins are only available by arranging, so tanning is being limited to rangers and their good friends only.
Or those who keep a pet ranger, which I don't and have no intention of doing. I spend enough time on playing the one guild I want to without needing to keep pets, too.
Kyn
>>Majebrad>>In leucro about a week ago a ranger was arranging and getting trophies a good majority of the time. As the swarms continued all he did was skin. 100 hides and we had made 20 plats with a trader selling the bundles. This took us 30 minutes
And since ARRANGE adds 50-100% of the skinning difficulty (making the skin time-and-a-half to doubly difficult) yet they were getting trophies every time, either their skinning was waaaaaaay ahead of their weapons/armor/evasion ... or they weren't learning a damn thing.
Yes, it can be a money-maker. But to get the bigger coin, you have to give up combat training. And good luck trying to get a trophy off the tougher creatures of the realms. With such a wide variable, when you hit the upper end the range could be over 100 ranks wide. The big downfall of arranging one's skins.
Especially since we have no way of knowing how much the skin is affected. Whether we got the 50 or the 100 ... or anywhere in between ... it's all the same messaging, with no way to even appraise or analyze the corpse to see what we got. And even if we someday did, that would mean more RT, trying to get it done before the darn thing decays while hoping a critter doesn't catch us in RT and nails us (which we have to deal with when arranging anyway).
You want ARRANGE available to you? I don't think you truly know what you are asking for.
~~~Krin
And since ARRANGE adds 50-100% of the skinning difficulty (making the skin time-and-a-half to doubly difficult) yet they were getting trophies every time, either their skinning was waaaaaaay ahead of their weapons/armor/evasion ... or they weren't learning a damn thing.
Yes, it can be a money-maker. But to get the bigger coin, you have to give up combat training. And good luck trying to get a trophy off the tougher creatures of the realms. With such a wide variable, when you hit the upper end the range could be over 100 ranks wide. The big downfall of arranging one's skins.
Especially since we have no way of knowing how much the skin is affected. Whether we got the 50 or the 100 ... or anywhere in between ... it's all the same messaging, with no way to even appraise or analyze the corpse to see what we got. And even if we someday did, that would mean more RT, trying to get it done before the darn thing decays while hoping a critter doesn't catch us in RT and nails us (which we have to deal with when arranging anyway).
You want ARRANGE available to you? I don't think you truly know what you are asking for.
~~~Krin
::grins:: Ok. The part on me not really talking about arrange didn't work. I should truthfully should take this to a skinning folder. I don't care if non-rangers get arrange nor do I care how hard it is if they do.
My issue is... rangers got a huge bonus to skinning. Bonus effected how well they learned. Creatures were made harder to skin so rangers could learn. Skinning is way too lucrative or doesn't pay at all. Skinning needs a rewrite. Now... if you wanna continue this... point me towards a skinning folder.
Majebrad
My issue is... rangers got a huge bonus to skinning. Bonus effected how well they learned. Creatures were made harder to skin so rangers could learn. Skinning is way too lucrative or doesn't pay at all. Skinning needs a rewrite. Now... if you wanna continue this... point me towards a skinning folder.
Majebrad
>>You want ARRANGE available to you? I don't think you truly know what you are asking for.
No, we don't want to get into the same debate on ARRANGE as we did on GLANCE.
What we want is for trophy skins to be possible for someone with enough skinning skill as compared to the skinning skill needed for the creature.
Right now, the ONLY way to get a trophy skin is via arrange. And the only worthwhile skins to tan, from what I hear, are trophy skins. Now, we just want the opportunity to have a chance to get a rare trophy skin when deserved without stepping on the Rangers toes.
Rangers, with Arrange, will have a significantly higher chance of getting a trophy skin, at an earlier skill level, than a non-ranger hoping for a break.
Make sense? Thanks.
Kyn
No, we don't want to get into the same debate on ARRANGE as we did on GLANCE.
What we want is for trophy skins to be possible for someone with enough skinning skill as compared to the skinning skill needed for the creature.
Right now, the ONLY way to get a trophy skin is via arrange. And the only worthwhile skins to tan, from what I hear, are trophy skins. Now, we just want the opportunity to have a chance to get a rare trophy skin when deserved without stepping on the Rangers toes.
Rangers, with Arrange, will have a significantly higher chance of getting a trophy skin, at an earlier skill level, than a non-ranger hoping for a break.
Make sense? Thanks.
Kyn
the chance of getting one does exist, albeit slim. I'm only about 80% success rate of skinning a leucro with my scim (non-arranged), but in order to actually learn skinning, I have to arrange them and botch the job. About one in 1000 or more leucros done this way will actually yield a near trophy (& one trophy) hide. The probability is just way low. Kinda like the probability of finding a J or K gweth once upon a time. (although, for the record, after probably more than 10,000 viper kills, I never found a single one).
Fred
Fred
>>Right now, the ONLY way to get a trophy skin is via arrange. And the only worthwhile skins to tan, from what I hear, are trophy skins. Now, we just want the opportunity to have a chance to get a rare trophy skin when deserved without stepping on the Rangers toes.
Frankly, I don't see a problem with other guilds getting trophies, albeit with significantly higher skinning than needed for the critter in question.
However, to play devil's advocate, I wouldn't mind it staying the way it is for some of the following reasons: As a ranger, I can't carve a lock-pick; I have to buy masters. I can't make a jadeite gweth. True, I can find both of those in lesser forms. I can't get as good a deal as a trader. Those are just a couple examples. And no, not every guild has those unique abilities. But I think they should, or at least excell in their given areas.
The post I thought was interesting was the amount of money made off the Leuc's pelts. But it took a team (Can't remember if it was the ranger that was hunting or just doing the skinning), and a trader selling the items.
You want to tan, and need a trophy pelt? I'm sure there's many rangers that would skin a critter for you to get that trophy, and we wouldn't (at least I wouldn't) feel that you're stepping on our toes at all.
jus my thoughts
~Tanshar
Frankly, I don't see a problem with other guilds getting trophies, albeit with significantly higher skinning than needed for the critter in question.
However, to play devil's advocate, I wouldn't mind it staying the way it is for some of the following reasons: As a ranger, I can't carve a lock-pick; I have to buy masters. I can't make a jadeite gweth. True, I can find both of those in lesser forms. I can't get as good a deal as a trader. Those are just a couple examples. And no, not every guild has those unique abilities. But I think they should, or at least excell in their given areas.
The post I thought was interesting was the amount of money made off the Leuc's pelts. But it took a team (Can't remember if it was the ranger that was hunting or just doing the skinning), and a trader selling the items.
You want to tan, and need a trophy pelt? I'm sure there's many rangers that would skin a critter for you to get that trophy, and we wouldn't (at least I wouldn't) feel that you're stepping on our toes at all.
jus my thoughts
~Tanshar
>If you wanted to arrange and get trophy skins, you should have been a ranger. The art of skinning above the normal possible limitations is their art, and in definition is something of a trade secret. It takes more then skill ranks, but professional knowledge, to do that.
Im sorry,I resent posts like this.It contributes nothing to the discussion at hand,which is the tanning system being too biased towards rangers by giving them a double bonus,that of trophy pelts and a an inherent bonus to the process.
Drachus
Im sorry,I resent posts like this.It contributes nothing to the discussion at hand,which is the tanning system being too biased towards rangers by giving them a double bonus,that of trophy pelts and a an inherent bonus to the process.
Drachus
>>which is the tanning system being too biased towards rangers by giving them a double bonus,
>>that of trophy pelts
that I'll give you (ranger trade and all)
>>and a an inherent bonus to the process.
I don't do much tanning, so I could be wrong, but we have an inherent bonus to making tanned goods? If so, this is news to me (not being sarcastic.. just the first I've ever heard of this; not sure its true.) Any professional tanners care to answer that?
~Tanshar
>>that of trophy pelts
that I'll give you (ranger trade and all)
>>and a an inherent bonus to the process.
I don't do much tanning, so I could be wrong, but we have an inherent bonus to making tanned goods? If so, this is news to me (not being sarcastic.. just the first I've ever heard of this; not sure its true.) Any professional tanners care to answer that?
~Tanshar
>If you wanted to arrange and get trophy skins, you should have been a ranger.
But, but but....rangers didn't HAVE arrange when I started playing! It isn't faaaiiiiirrr! They didn't even say 'Rangers might someday in the future get enhanced skinning abilities'! If I had known they would, I would have....no, I would still be a barbarian. Hehe.
But, but but....rangers didn't HAVE arrange when I started playing! It isn't faaaiiiiirrr! They didn't even say 'Rangers might someday in the future get enhanced skinning abilities'! If I had known they would, I would have....no, I would still be a barbarian. Hehe.
>>Kynevon>>Now, we just want the opportunity to have a chance to get a rare trophy skin when deserved without stepping on the Rangers toes.
Now THAT I not only agree with, but have spoken my approval for in the past. I have a hard time accepting the fact that someone with 300 ranks as a non-Ranger can't even get a trophy from a RAT.
Make it much harder for a non-Ranger to get a trophy. If the skinning base is 100 ranks, then arranged it becomes a variable between 150-200 (50-100% increase) for the Ranger. So set the non-Ranger base at a solid 150% increase, in this case 250 ranks. Still easier for the Ranger but a non-Ranger has a chance.
And that "base" is the point where you WILL get a trophy, so in actuality, you will start seeing them before then. Using the same example, your chances start at the 100% line, so that 100-rank skin will start yielding trophies for you (1 out of ... 50? that would be easiest ... where do your ranks fall in that range [100-150], as a percentage ... take that % minus 100, then invert it, there's your chance of getting a trophy) at 200 ranks. Your chances increase as skinning skill does, so by 250 ranks (the cap), you are getting trophies every time.
The Rangers still have the advantage since at 200 ranks they are pretty much guaranteed trophies regardless of the die roll from that 100-rank skin, plus the fact that keeping ther Guild modifier in good shape means they will need even less, but non-Rangers now have a chip in the game.
How's that sound?
~~~Krin
voted most-likely to be shot by a member of his own Guild :-D
Now THAT I not only agree with, but have spoken my approval for in the past. I have a hard time accepting the fact that someone with 300 ranks as a non-Ranger can't even get a trophy from a RAT.
Make it much harder for a non-Ranger to get a trophy. If the skinning base is 100 ranks, then arranged it becomes a variable between 150-200 (50-100% increase) for the Ranger. So set the non-Ranger base at a solid 150% increase, in this case 250 ranks. Still easier for the Ranger but a non-Ranger has a chance.
And that "base" is the point where you WILL get a trophy, so in actuality, you will start seeing them before then. Using the same example, your chances start at the 100% line, so that 100-rank skin will start yielding trophies for you (1 out of ... 50? that would be easiest ... where do your ranks fall in that range [100-150], as a percentage ... take that % minus 100, then invert it, there's your chance of getting a trophy) at 200 ranks. Your chances increase as skinning skill does, so by 250 ranks (the cap), you are getting trophies every time.
The Rangers still have the advantage since at 200 ranks they are pretty much guaranteed trophies regardless of the die roll from that 100-rank skin, plus the fact that keeping ther Guild modifier in good shape means they will need even less, but non-Rangers now have a chip in the game.
How's that sound?
~~~Krin
voted most-likely to be shot by a member of his own Guild :-D
>>The skinning bonus to Rangers pails in comparison to other bonuses out there. It has been and remains very much in line with the Global Caps.<<
They're complaining anyway, why not double it fer us Jent...just do it quick while no one's looking.
-Teeklin Tessenoak, Proud Ranger of Elanthia
Only after experience is changed in regards to our bonus though.
They're complaining anyway, why not double it fer us Jent...just do it quick while no one's looking.
-Teeklin Tessenoak, Proud Ranger of Elanthia
Only after experience is changed in regards to our bonus though.
Here ya go.
>>Moving with the skill and grace that only a ranger can possess, you effortlessly retrieve a perfect pelt from the adroitly arranged bobcat. You are suffused with pride, knowing that no other guild will ever equal what you have just accomplished.<<
>>Egani examines the pelt carefully, then hands you 137 Lirums.<<
>>Moving with the skill and grace that only a ranger can possess, you effortlessly retrieve a perfect pelt from the adroitly arranged blood wolf. You are suffused with pride, knowing that no other guild will ever equal what you have just accomplished.<<
>>Egani examines the pelt carefully, then hands you 269 Lirums.<<
>>You skillfully peel the bobcat pelt off a bobcat.<<
>>Egani examines the pelt carefully, then hands you 55 Lirums.<<
>>You skillfully peel the wolf pelt off a blood wolf.<<
>>Egani examines the pelt carefully, then hands you 123 Lirums.<<
I didn't do more than one of each just because I think it's the same no matter what. But that gives you an idea of how much it increases the price. On average, arranging a skin increases the price about 2.3x.
Now consider this. As a Ranger, the guild that specializes in skinning and does it with a passion, we need 100 ranks in order to get even the most basic pelt arranged. So why don't you think that 200 ranks is fair for a non-Ranger to get them randomly (I'd say like 1 in 50 or so).
Also consider that if someone wants to tan something, all they have to do is ask a Ranger to skin the thing that they want real fast. I mean it only takes us about, oh, five extra seconds to do. Go into the hunting ground of what you want the skin of, find a Ranger, ask him for two or three arranged pelts. Or heck, come and find me and I'll skin whatever I'm able for you.
-Teeklin Tessenoak, Proud Ranger of Elanthia
-Teeklin Tessenoak, Proud Ranger of Elanthia
>>Moving with the skill and grace that only a ranger can possess, you effortlessly retrieve a perfect pelt from the adroitly arranged bobcat. You are suffused with pride, knowing that no other guild will ever equal what you have just accomplished.<<
>>Egani examines the pelt carefully, then hands you 137 Lirums.<<
>>Moving with the skill and grace that only a ranger can possess, you effortlessly retrieve a perfect pelt from the adroitly arranged blood wolf. You are suffused with pride, knowing that no other guild will ever equal what you have just accomplished.<<
>>Egani examines the pelt carefully, then hands you 269 Lirums.<<
>>You skillfully peel the bobcat pelt off a bobcat.<<
>>Egani examines the pelt carefully, then hands you 55 Lirums.<<
>>You skillfully peel the wolf pelt off a blood wolf.<<
>>Egani examines the pelt carefully, then hands you 123 Lirums.<<
I didn't do more than one of each just because I think it's the same no matter what. But that gives you an idea of how much it increases the price. On average, arranging a skin increases the price about 2.3x.
Now consider this. As a Ranger, the guild that specializes in skinning and does it with a passion, we need 100 ranks in order to get even the most basic pelt arranged. So why don't you think that 200 ranks is fair for a non-Ranger to get them randomly (I'd say like 1 in 50 or so).
Also consider that if someone wants to tan something, all they have to do is ask a Ranger to skin the thing that they want real fast. I mean it only takes us about, oh, five extra seconds to do. Go into the hunting ground of what you want the skin of, find a Ranger, ask him for two or three arranged pelts. Or heck, come and find me and I'll skin whatever I'm able for you.
-Teeklin Tessenoak, Proud Ranger of Elanthia
-Teeklin Tessenoak, Proud Ranger of Elanthia
if the "random chance" of getting a trophy kicks in at a set rank, then the less than random chance of botching it and jamming a blade through your hand (result of trying to skin an arranged critter) should be instituted too. Why should the benefit of trophy pelts be bestowed upon all without the greater risk of failure that we incur?
Fred
(who likes the way things are. keep the trophies for non's as a random, rare occurrance)
Fred
(who likes the way things are. keep the trophies for non's as a random, rare occurrance)
<<if the "random chance" of getting a trophy kicks in at a set rank, then the less than random chance of botching it and jamming a blade through your hand (result of trying to skin an arranged critter) should be instituted too. Why should the benefit of trophy pelts be bestowed upon all without the greater risk of failure that we incur?
Fred (who likes the way things are. keep the trophies for non's as a random, rare occurrance) >>
What non ranger has ever gotten a trophy skin? The 'hand of god' skinning fluke doesn't appraise as much as a trophy.
Starkad
Fred (who likes the way things are. keep the trophies for non's as a random, rare occurrance) >>
What non ranger has ever gotten a trophy skin? The 'hand of god' skinning fluke doesn't appraise as much as a trophy.
Starkad
>What non ranger has ever gotten a trophy skin? The 'hand of god' skinning fluke doesn't appraise as much as a trophy.
I know with 250 skinning and going through thousands upon thousands of unyns, then peccaries, then caracals and now adanf(the change was made after I was getting skillful peels off then greater nightweavers); I've never once got a single trophy since that change.
I know with 250 skinning and going through thousands upon thousands of unyns, then peccaries, then caracals and now adanf(the change was made after I was getting skillful peels off then greater nightweavers); I've never once got a single trophy since that change.
<<I know with 250 skinning and going through thousands upon thousands of unyns, then peccaries, then caracals and now adanf(the change was made after I was getting skillful peels off then greater nightweavers); I've never once got a single trophy since that change.>>
I don't think anyone ever has. The non-ranger trophy skin is a myth in the same regard as the thief fifth passage.
Starkad
I don't think anyone ever has. The non-ranger trophy skin is a myth in the same regard as the thief fifth passage.
Starkad
