Bleeder Tending Question on 05/29/2002 08:18 PM CDT
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Well, I managed to mess up some of my layered spells tonight, and managed to give myself a skin bleeder.

Fortunately, it was only a slight bleeder, so my vitality was recovering faster than the bleeder was hurting it, but it seems a bit strange to me that you can have a bleeder that is untendable by anyone at all.

Add in that there is no skin healer yet except for Empaths, and this seems like a bad situation, to me.

Any way to add the skin to the tendable areas? I could see it having an immense RT due to sheer area to cover, but it should still be able to be tended, since it is an external wound area...
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Re: Bleeder Tending Question on 05/29/2002 10:23 PM CDT
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<<but it seems a bit strange to me that you can have a bleeder that is untendable by anyone at all.>>

<<but it should still be able to be tended, since it is an external wound area... >>

I couldnt agree more. The blood has to be coming from somewhere. If its an external bleeder then it should be tendable. And like suggested, maybe just put a long RT on it or a high FA req.

Just a thought

-Paleth
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Re: Bleeder Tending Question on 05/29/2002 11:04 PM CDT
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Sounds like the road rash one would get from a motorcylce accident.

Very painful.

I'm not quite sure how one could tend a road rash over the entire body, though.

Hmm, maybe a ranger's "cradle"?

~Kodiac
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Re: Bleeder Tending Question on 05/29/2002 11:10 PM CDT
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There is a difference.... were talking about "bleeding" from the skin. Grazing yourself so its sore and such is one thing... bleeding and losing vit is totally different.

If your bleeding from anywhere externally on your body, you would be able to tend it, there is no reason you couldnt bandage the affected area's.
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Re: Bleeder Tending Question on 05/29/2002 11:11 PM CDT
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>>I'm not quite sure how one could tend a road rash over the entire body, though.

If there is blood coming out of my skin, there is someplace there that it is coming from. Putting some gaze on any place that blood is seeping from should slow down the bleeding, even if you have to use a whole lot of gauze...

Then again, I am still trying to figure out why fire damage wouldn't almost automatically cauterize a wound... Unless it basically counts as heat blisters which have broken... Lots of small holes, but since this particular skin bleeder was a slight wound, nothing that should be too difficult to deal with with bandages...
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Re: Bleeder Tending Question on 05/29/2002 11:15 PM CDT
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Well, first off a good dose of road rash can result in significant "oozing" of blood and other fluids. So I can see that being a decent enough analogy to skin bleeders.

I completely agree that it should be tendable. Just look at a burn victim unit. Lots of them are wrapped head to toe in gauze. Of course, they can't move too well like that.

By the way, I think the original point was that skin bleeders can kill you, so there should be a way to deal with them in the short term. Either an herb or the ability to tend them. I completely agree.

~Kodiac, who still don't want no road rash.
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Re: Bleeder Tending Question on 05/29/2002 11:32 PM CDT
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>>By the way, I think the original point was that skin bleeders can kill you, so there should be a way to deal with them in the short term. Either an herb or the ability to tend them. I completely agree.

It was, but I know the herb is on the way, someday, so my post was to the FA guru, since tending is in their domain...

My character was just lucky that his magic skills are so low that his miscast spell did minor damage to himself instead of what I have heard of higher mages doing to themselves with this same spell.
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Re: Bleeder Tending Question on 05/30/2002 02:35 AM CDT
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>Well, I managed to mess up some of my layered spells tonight, and managed to give myself a skin bleeder.

To bo honest, I dont' see a reason why we even have "skin" injuries. Every body part is pretty much covered by the rest. It is my assumption that if I have a cut on my left hand, that the skin is damaged.

Drizst.. My two wooden nickels worth :p
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Re: Bleeder Tending Question on 05/30/2002 07:34 AM CDT
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>>To bo honest, I dont' see a reason why we even have "skin" injuries. Every body part is pretty much covered by the rest. It is my assumption that if I have a cut on my left hand, that the skin is damaged.

We get skin injuries to cover the backlash of WM spells. And maybe the general damage of large attack spells, like FB or LB.

Does anything else give skin damage?
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Re: Bleeder Tending Question on 05/30/2002 04:00 PM CDT
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<<Does anything else give skin damage?>>

You can get skin twitching by harnessing mana and holding it too long...

As learned a Novice Paladin I once knew...

(I still think the magic reqs for young Pallies are absurd, it's like having a ranged weapon req for Empaths)

-Kithrys
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Re: Bleeder Tending Question on 05/30/2002 05:04 PM CDT
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<<<<Does anything else give skin damage?>>

Jumping out of the tree in Theren wolves, strange as it sounds.

Be Lucky.......Tabac
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Re: Bleeder Tending Question on 05/30/2002 05:21 PM CDT
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<<skin twitching by harnessing mana>>

That's an internal wound, though. I've never seen anyone bleed from their internal skin. <g>
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Re: Bleeder Tending Question on 05/30/2002 10:17 PM CDT
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> Does anything else give skin damage?

Besides the new side effects of WM spells, old Swarm and old Frostbite used to be able to cause skin bleeders. Teleport accidents are a good way to make your skin bleed, too, since it usually turns a body into a general puddle of goo. Oh, and sometimes diseases will toss you a skin bleeder.

I'll have to check on my notes, but I do believe Fial will be providing herbal remedies for external skin with New Alchemy (there will be curatives for all injuries, including nerve and internal eye). So, be patient, mages, I last heard the new system was in the QC stage.

Baboushka
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Re: Bleeder Tending Question on 05/30/2002 10:32 PM CDT
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>>I'll have to check on my notes, but I do believe Fial will be providing herbal remedies for external skin with New Alchemy (there will be curatives for all injuries, including nerve and internal eye). So, be patient, mages, I last heard the new system was in the QC stage.

Remedies are fine, but any external bleeder should be tendable, since it is accessible. Tending can be the difference between death and surviving long enough for the healing reagent to do its job...
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Re: Bleeder Tending Question on 05/30/2002 11:08 PM CDT
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> Remedies are fine, but any external bleeder should be tendable, since it is accessible.

Yea, yea, and people who get their legs blown off shouldn't be able to walk, and people who get eye bleeders shouldn't be able to see anything. Hey, a lot of things make sense in Elanthia but don't follow RL logic.

>Tending can be the difference between death and surviving long enough for the healing reagent to do its job...

I've had huge skin bleeders multiple times in the past, and while it looks really bad, it really doesn't sap yer vitality all that much - massive skin is about akin to a hand stump - and most skin bleeders are moderate or light. I happen to really like skin wounds, they make neat scars, so I usually save them up and tend to let em bleed for a while - that's how I know.

Probably the blast that caused it hurt you more than the blood loss. If you are having a problem with this kind of blood loss - e.g. the bleeding not the blast is killing you, I'd suggest you up yer stamina a bit.

Baboushka
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Re: Bleeder Tending Question on 05/30/2002 11:13 PM CDT
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>>Probably the blast that caused it hurt you more than the blood loss. If you are having a problem with this kind of blood loss - e.g. the bleeding not the blast is killing you, I'd suggest you up yer stamina a bit.

No, but I would have liked to be able to tend it, just to learn some FA. ;)

I was healing vitality, even with the bleeder, while I was waiting for an empath to get around to healing me.

I just have no experience with actual skin bleeders, since I have managed never to get one before, even with all my years of experience with warmies throwing FBs around.
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Re: Bleeder Tending Question on 05/31/2002 04:25 PM CDT
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Sure, let's make it tendable, but then have you immobilized while your skin is tended. Since you've just covered your entired body. And let's make it so there's a whopping RT on it too.
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Re: Bleeder Tending Question on 05/31/2002 04:30 PM CDT
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>>Sure, let's make it tendable, but then have you immobilized while your skin is tended. Since you've just covered your entired body. And let's make it so there's a whopping RT on it too.

As I originally mentioned, I agree with the long RT for tending it, but why should you be immobilized any more than someone with a broken but tended leg is? I find it greatly amusing to see someone wander into a room I am in, then scream and fall over as their bandage expires, and their leg re-breaks.

The big RT, especially with the bandage decay times, will probably leave you with only time for a couple of room moves before the wound starts bleeding again, at least at low skill levels for thew wound severity, just like most other wounds that are tended...
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