The primary focus of origami appears to be for mech and not scholarship. One fold teaches scholarship, the rest mech; for every 25 ranks of mech I seem to earn 8-10 ranks scholarship, and that's with some spellbook studying mixed in.

That's all fine and good, but then why does the scholarship req for using the instructions pace the mech requirement to fold them? Why are "higher level" patterns so hard to read and understand, when in principle they use mostly the same folds, its the ability to combine those folds into certain arrangements that define their difficulty? Even with the imabalance of stat usage in the favor of int (scholarship) over agility (mech), 5:2 intel:agility, my ability to fold still gets slowed by lack of scholarship, not lack of mech. AS it stands right now, I could add 5 points of intelligence and still be a pattern ahead mech-wise. That may not sound wierd until you consider only a few months ago my scholarship was at least one pattern ahead of my mech (I could do the first fold on figures I didn't yet have the mech to finish).

It should either teach more scholarship if it's going to rely so heavily on it, or it should need less in the first place.

So I propose one of two things. Either add a bit of scholarship learning to the folds following the first to increase its overall learning, or (I like this better) just simply lower the factor from 25 to ... say ... 15 in the difficulty formula (increase 15 per level instead of 25, as it does now). I like the latter idea better, as it doesn't just give us more skill, it simply gives us more credit for what we already have towards what we are currently doing.

Not to mention IRL I have seen some people that, in general, weren't very bright ... but could fold some of the most amazing origami figures I have ever seen, some I didn't even think were possible. Then they do it with multiple pieces of paper, in different colors, making color patterns you didn;t even realize origami was capable of.

It shouldn't require this much scholarship to use a tool that is obviously more intended to learn mech. Or, after the mech split, whichever new skill (I forget, was it tailoring, artistry, or both?) it will use/teach instead. A better idea would be if somoene considered my suggestion of keeping mech lore around as a general-purpose skill that ties into many manual tasks in a way similar to how musical lore does with instruments, to then leave origami as it is, using and teaching mech lore and maybe using/teaching a little of other skills such as artistry.

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In my experience, it is much, much easier to fold if you have someone show you how to do it. Figuring out the instructions with woefully inadequate diagrams and captions translated from the origional japanese without the aid of a native english speaker easily teaches as much scholarship as patiently creasing and folding 5000 crane bases teaches mech lore. In real life, that is.

Obviously while the basic concepts of the origami remain the same, there could be information inside the origami, such as highly recursive folding methods, that would require a large amount of scholarship to comprehend. Scholarship is our only skill that would deal with systematic logic, so necessarily as combinations of folds become more complex, more scholarship would be required to decipher the pattern behind them, regardless of ability to mechanically produce said pattern.

The importance of scholarship is already the lower factor in origami. With only 130 scholarship but 200 mech (assuming your intel/agil are roughly level), you can get the first fold on the ship and its also the best pattern for your mech at that point. How is that too much of a factor?

>>Now figure out how much scholarship and/or intelligence is needed for 400 and 500 mech and it becomes pretty clear. You need to learn a lot of scholarship outside of origami to keep up with the instructions, unless you keep pumping intelligence.

400 mech, 305 scholarship roughly for mouse (given agility/intel both 40)

Now considering mech and scholarship are both lore and therefor both in the same skillset. I am still failing to see the issue.

Ways to learn scholarship...
*Teaching,
*Being taught,
*spellbooks,
*studying patterns,
*first fold on origami

I have probably missed quite a few others, but as someone who has expert+ in both mech and scholarship, again, im not seeing the issue. I would agree entirely if there were people who had one of them as a tert skill and the other as a primary skill, but nobody does. Everyone has their scholarship in the same skillset as their mech.

<<400 mech, 305 scholarship roughly for mouse

Haha OK if you say so.
I do Mouse eyes closed with 251 scholarship and 353 mech.

I almost wish I never suggested Origami for mech lore. I had 310 back then and most in DR were way behind me. now I been passed left and right since they made Origami teach. OH well I can't bear to focus that hard on mech lore but seems some or obsessed with it.

Funny thing is I proposed and explained how a long neglected system could be revitalized and 2 weeks later they do it but I never even got a flippin RPA award or one single plat. POor Apu went 360 to 600+ and not a thank you but now offers 100 bucks for a new pattern.

I may start a Soim and Rodney dangerfield club for people who get no respect.

<<Ways to learn scholarship...
*Teaching,
*Being taught,
*spellbooks,
*studying patterns,
*first fold on origami>>

I know, and I usually list these out for people who complain to me about scholarship learning, but in order...

Doesn't teach much, doesn't teach much, difficult to impossible to get one, sometimes gets me to thoughtful(go me), best way to learn.

As two people already suggested, yes, folding the first fold over and over will lock scholarship. It just doesn't seem like a reasonable expectation for people without unlimited bank accounts to rely on that for reasonable learning rates.

It isn't an issue for me, but it is for many people.

If you don't want to run through the first fold on a bunch of pieces of paper, use a couple of the methods of learning scholarship in conjunction with one another. Fold your paper normally, and either teach a class, or have someone teach you.

~Bre


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