>>Sooo, is there an ETA as when grappling will be back to normal?

I asked this at a meeting recently and was told "Sometime between now and the heat death of the universe(tm)" I wasn't sure if that meant I don't know or it's going to be quite a while, but it was clear that was the best I was going to get.

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>>I looked around, but couldn't find any. Are there brawling weapons for fingers?

I wish. I'd be all about some finger blades/claws or whatever to enhance GOUGE and CLAW damage(only replacing, not enhancing racial natural weapons of course).

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I use kick slice punch claw. Only wear footwraps and wickedly spiked knuckles.

Are there any brawling weapons sold in stores?

Thanks for the quick reply. I have been gone a bit and am still getting my feel for everyting is. Where about is the Boar Clan if you don't mind.

Thank you. Just found it on a map as well.

>>Yes, it's yet another of the posts asking... what's the story with grapple, shove, etc. not working? Is there a fix in sight?

Pretty please...

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Well I can only speak for myself of course, but as a brawling primary barbarian I use the following:

gouge slap [kick slice (dodge) punch elbow]

I only use the part outside the braces when first engaging a new target, and am set up at incredibly balanced by time I get to the slice. From that point on I just keep looping the part inside the braces until whatever I want is dead, and I never drop below incredible balance, and almost always stay overwhelming. If, for whatever reason, you need to work a dodge into this combo, I put it in parenthesis at the point at which you'd want to use it, but I never do unless I decide to dance for defenses a little bit, after which I generally go back to the gouge and repeat as above.

I honestly haven't tried working slam into this combo, so I'm not sure where to put it, but I'll do some testing and find out.

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>>gouge slap [kick slice (dodge) punch elbow]

Wow. After my long-winded reply, forget all that and go with this. Tested it out and it workes awesome!! Also, the slam fits perfect right on the end, then cycle back to kick, as the poster mentioned. Near as I could tell, there were no negative effects at all for having added the slam in the cycle. Thank you, NJP, for my new brawling combo. :)

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Yep, just tested myself and it's best put after the elbow and before the next kick. The slam will cost you a tiny amount of balance, but when you're already solidly at incredible, as you will be by the first time you get to elbow anyway, it's not enough to draw you below incredible anyway.

As an aside, I'd completely forgotten about the non-shield usage of slam, so thanks for starting this thread and reminding me about it, adding it into the combo has opened a whole new world of pain for my character's enemies.

Oh, and glad to help.

P.S. This combo is only really best for those who aren't Prydaen. My Prydaen character uses the simple gouge slap claw combo, stays incredible/overwhelming and kills like nobody's business.

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So... the prospect of my little gnome brawling always seemed incredibly odd to me, yet also the mental image of a two foot maniac flying at the face of its enemies and gouging out its eyes does have its appeal. I've not messed with brawling for years, but do any of those combos I've recently seen posted work for someone with pitiful strength?

Here's where I'm sitting for stats
Strength : 10 Reflex : 16
Agility : 15 Charisma : 10
Discipline : 16 Wisdom : 16
Intelligence : 16 Stamina : 20

I'm a Ranger if that matters.

Kurako

Aha, so strength isn't THAT important that I can't do it, good to hear. Getting my stamina to 20 nearly killed me... not looking forward to getting strength there.

Can we still bite? I want to brawl as dirty as possible. :D

Oh, it's a bug? Back-reading, I thought grappling was just disabled. That's what I get for disappearing for years at a time.

And yes, of course you have more TDPs to play with, all you have to do is chase donkeys and rack em up.

Kurako

Yep, leather, though with the burden changes I might get some LC in there as well, now that I can actually do more than waddle around.

Thanks for the info.

I was thinking the other day after having lost a drunken wrestling match, and a few ideas on a new grapple system popped into my head. Because the current one's pretty lame and all(no offense intended towards our lovely GMs who have been saddled with old outdated systems).

1a)So my idea is that GRAPPLE would become a verb which paves the road to a whole different avenue of fighting style. Instead of trying to inflict physical maiming damage, the goal of grappling would be to inflict positional and status ailments. This includes loss of balance, loss of concentration, loss of fatigue to a cap, loss of vitality to a cap, entanglement, the infliction of RT, stun, or the ever potential knock out. All of this is non-lethal.

1b)The groundworks of the system is that through an initial GRAPPLE, a character would be eligible to use a slew of other grappling combat maneuvers.

2a)Grapple would have a base cool down of 15 seconds after release. What that means is that if you successfully grapple someone, after the grapple is broken 15 seconds must pass before you can re-attempt to grapple said opponent. This would prevent people from spamming grapple-shove-grapple.

2b)Grapple can only be executed with at least one hand free.

2c)At every 75 ranks in Brawling a character will receive 1 less second of cool down RT down to a base of 5 seconds.

3a)The initial grapple check is a simple brawling vs evasion contest. Success would grant 2 and 4 RT to the attacker and defender respectively.

3b)While grappled, throwing maneuvers may only be performed on an opponent below solid balance, and consist of a brawling vs brawling check. Success would grant RT to both attacker and defender as well as other potential ailments to the defender as noted above in 1a.

3c)At every 50 ranks in Brawling a character will gain knowledge of one additional grapple maneuver which can be executed after a successful grapple.

4a)Breaking a grapple via SHOVE will be under a three strikes you're out clause. If you cannot break a grapple with a proper skill check in two tries, your third attempt will get you out automatically. Failed grapple breaks will grant more Roundtime to the one attempting the break than the one attempting to hold on.

4b)Holding anything while grappling will default the other person to the third attempt for grapple breaking purposes. What this means is that if you grapple with one of your hands full, at any point during the grapple that the other person is not in Roundtime they can automatically break your grapple via SHOVE.

Sample Scenario...

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[Desolate Planes, Meadow Grassland]
The unhealthy grass beneath your feet gently sways with even the slightest bit of wind, underlaying a wide expansion of non-eventful sky. The occasional dead tree sprouts up from the ground, twisting and turning awkwardly as if trying to uproot itself. There is nothing but still lifelessness for as far as you can see.
You also see a human shaped bumblegump.
Obvious paths: north, northeast, east, southeast, south, southwest, west, northwest.

>grapple bumb
You reach out to the bumblegump and grasp it firmly.
Roundtime: 2 seconds.
(Bumblegump receives 4 RT)

>shove bumb
You push the bumblegump away, breaking your grip!
Roundtime: 1 second.
(Bumblegump receives 1 RT)

>grapple bumb
Unfortunately you have not had enough time to find another opening yet.

- time passes -

>grapple bumb
You reach out to the bumblegump and grasp it firmly.
Roundtime: 2 seconds.

>assess
Messaging indicating that the Bumblegump is below Solidly Balanced.

>turn bumb
You grip the bumblegump's arm firmly with one hand right as your other reaches its wrist. With a circling motion, you turn the bumblegump's arm while maintaining your grip on its wrist sending the bumblegump crashing to the ground!
Roundtime: 1 second.
(Bumblegump receives 4 RT)

>assess
Messaging indicating that the Bumblegump is prone and stunned.

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I think that I heard somewhere that brawling makes creatures run as if you are holding a weapon you are skilled in. Is this still the case? And if so has there been any word on if this is intentiional or not? I may have to put it on hold or drop it all together if it is, I dont want to never be able to learn how to fight with a hammer no matter how raw brawling is.

>There are plenty of critters that don't run, that it shouldn't normally be an issue.

The vast majority of lower level creatures do run, making this a huge issue if your brawling is too high. If you haven't experienced it, your brawling isn't high enough. Even celpeze can freeze in fear, although that may be a separate issue. In any case, this is the major disadvantage to training brawling right now.

Do blood wolves run? Or vines? Whenever I've backtrained a weapon I've always started at blood wolf level, and gone from there.

Maybe they run now. Never did for me before. I'd think a progression like blood wolves -> vines -> regular peccs -> caracals/bristles -> basilisk/raiders/shadowbeast/celpeze (no way I myself have enough brawl to make celpeze freeze, only 400) would be fairly safe to not have runners, do these guys run? Obviously I'm ignoring anything smaller than blood wolves.. which could be an issue for some starting out with a 0 rank weapon.

Hmm, does someone have a list of what runs/doesn't run b/c of high brawl ranks?

They even run from me, and I'm a flute-fingering BARD.

GENT

Over 250 lessons in Brawling and I can't grapple, tackle or shove a blood wolf or a Marauder? I'd swear the more brawling I get the fewer critters I can actually grapple.


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