This isn't another complaint about how stuff running away makes learning MO difficult. Its a complaint about how MO works off some really poor mechanics for determining if the skill will budge. For example, my circle 33 barb was dancing with 2 leucros, block stopped, for a good while and ended up like this -

Shield Usage: 151 82% bewildered Leather Armor: 163 88% mind lock
Light Chain: 138 05% perplexed Heavy Chain: 115 58% mind lock
Parry Ability: 179 57% mind lock Multi Opponent: 139 47% pondering
Medium Edged: 158 69% perplexed Evasion: 161 58% mind lock

You can see all his other defenses locked. I even killed enough as they retreated and others came in to get my medium edge moving nicely. However, MO is symied at pondering. Eventually, with a lot of work I might be able to get to very muddled. Maybe... I don't know where it lies in the wall cycle at the moment and it might pulse too much.

In any case, 3 leucros will eat me for dinner in a matter of seconds. This is nothing more than a data point the GMs can use in their attempts to make MO a more learnable skill. If 2 enemies would only teach MO better, I might have a chance of catching it back up to my other skills. I've tried vines, swains, daytime barghests, silver leucros with 3 on me, and a handful of other suggestions with the same experience.

Thanks!

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I agree, and I'm glad that there's finally some serious talk about fixing it. I remember when this MO system was first released, and all of the exact same issues came up right away. Our complaints were basically brushed aside, and we were told that MO was supposed to be tough.

Vines stop teaching MO at little more than 140, so you may be past them.

mfberg

Take a horse hunting with you and when 2 critters are on you advance the horse it'll put the leucs at your flank and back and that should help you learn multi.


Thanks,
Kleis

<<Duly noted. I can't say for certain if that situation will be fully fixed with my first tweak which is still in the discussion/coding phase or not. However, my intent is to make this first change (which I'll go into details on later) and then see where we still need to adjust if at all from there.>>

Could you explain what you think the problem is?

PoKaeta

"Whatever, it's the end of the world. There's actually a Trader guild now. Bards are no longer useless. Empaths can finally stand up for themselves. We're all doomed."
- Vinjince

I don't remember where I learned MO in the 100-250 range, but I'm pretty sure it involved finding a creature which hit like a sack of feathers and that I could put 2 on my back...

Example: 2 advance me, block stop one, as third comes in I would block stop (now 2 at my back) and kill one facing me. From then on out I'd just dance with the 2.

Problem comes now that the 2 on your back will retreat and leave or re-engage sometimes putting them in front of you again.

Solution: Remove creature retreating in areas where the hogging of the creature gen isn't a problem and/or make MO move as quickly as my secondary survivals like evasion.


-Galren Moonskin

Messenger Boy: The Thessalonian you're fighting... he's the biggest man I've ever seen. I wouldn't want to fight him.
Achilles: Thats why no-one will remember your name.

Ternith spoke of training multi at those levels in Black leucros. Maybe you could train it in Lang swampies too- if you can get enough of a gen.

Anyway, good luck!

Ryeka and the brood


Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy

A journey of a thousand SMILES begins with a single step- Ziggy

What's wrong with MO? Isn't it obvious from the posts? I see people all the time talking about dancing with 2 of something and the 3rd one shows up and bam, they are dead. I'm sitting here wonder how the heck they ever were allowed to dance with the 2 and survive. But I'll deffinately get that fixed.

GM Oolan Jeel

"This island is made mainly of coal and surrounded by fish. Only an organizing genius could produce a shortage of coal and fish at the same time." Aneurin Bevan, May 1945, on World War II rationing and shortages in England.

Huh? You guys want to actually learn MO? I just want you all deaded! PS, none of these comments were to be taken seriously. I'm in that pre-con excitement phase. Though I do honestly have some tweaks in the works....just can't speak about specifics just yet.

GM Oolan Jeel

"This island is made mainly of coal and surrounded by fish. Only an organizing genius could produce a shortage of coal and fish at the same time." Aneurin Bevan, May 1945, on World War II rationing and shortages in England.

Especially when two of anything is no problem (i.e.; MO at pondering), then the third one kicks yer arse. 'Zerk stone, a couple roars, kill 'em, get out, have a nice day.

Regards,

Kalkomar Axebiter
Grimis Stok

>>Why not just allow block stop to put a critter your facing at your flank. It would allow people to learn multi with just 2 critters.

Unless you're talking temporarily I'd rather the scaling issue be fixed. If I can handle two without getting hit, even with one on my back, I should be able to handle a third with at most light/good hits.


Jaedren says, "Alas, no Khri Ronco (Set it and forget it!). Woe."

>How about changing it so that we have n, ne, e, se, s, sw, s, nw for our combat facings rather than front, back and flank, with 4 max/ Then make the max 8 with a number limit based on creature size. Then we could face north, face nw and so on to face either a critter or an empty space.

That sounds like too much effort for the player to track.

>>That sounds like too much effort for the player to track.<<

Granted, the cardinal directions/facing is a good idea. But be wargaming dork like me and base it from a hexagonal reference; front, left front, right front, left flank, right flank, rear....but that's just me.

Regards,


Kalkomar Axebiter
Grimis Stok