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Does anyone happen to know the weight of this monster?
a Therengian pole-axe
Price: 112500 Kronars
An unwieldy implement of warfare in untrained hands, the exceedingly long ironwood haft is incised with wild boars running down its length to a heavy axe head opposed by a sharp back spike.
It is a pike type weapon.
You are certain that it could do: low puncture damage
severe slice damage
heavy impact damage
You are certain that the pole-axe is poorly balanced and is well suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the Therengian pole-axe is of average strength, and is in pristine condition.
The Therengian pole-axe is made with metal.
Does anyone happen to know the weight of this monster?
You put you Therengian pole-axe on the counter.
Naissura hefts the Therengian pole-axe and puts it on the meduim balance scale. She patiently adds a small sack of stones on the other side till the beam becomes exactly level.
Naissura squints at the balance beam needle and says, "The Therengian pole-axe weighs about one hundred forty-three stones," and puts the pole-axe on the counter.
Me.
Hey there, I used to play a Barbarian character in Prime who was pike/halberd primary, but I left him behind a little more than a year ago to play in Plat and now I'm thinking of starting up a character there to do the same thing. My only problem is that I can't seem to find a justifyable reason to use both Pike and Halberd as primary weapons. The points and counter-points I've come up with I'll list below, if anybody has any thoughts I may have missed, I'd love to hear them.
Point 1) The lightest Pike (short hunting spear; 20 stones) is half the weight of the lightest store bought Halberd (sturdy short-hafted halberd; 40 stones).
Counterpoint 1) This character in particular will be a Tog specificly focusing on strength training, so this difference won't be noticeable past roughly 10th circle.
Point 2) There are some one-handed Pikes available (javelin, etc.).
Counterpoint 2) Steel Claw Clan sells a one-handed Halberd (the lance).
Point 3) Most Pike type weapons double as Heavy Thrown weapons.
Counterpoint 3) The lance in Steel Claw Clan also doubles as a Heavy Thrown weapon.
Point 4) Pike weapons are primarily suited for puncture damage.
Counterpoint 4) Most Halberd puncture damage is equil with, if not superior to most Pike puncture appraisal, in addition by carrying 2 different types of halberd a person can cover all three damage types (puncture, slice and impact) fairly well.
Point 5) More weapons trained equils more field TDPs.
Counterpoint 5) I'm already planning to train all weapons, regardless of which are primary, using a tiered rank distribution by circle, so the difference in using Pike primary vs. Pike tertiary with a different weapon type as primary will make no difference in TDPs.
Point 6) The best construction for a store bought Pike (that I'm aware of; the Ngalio) is Average strength.
Counterpoint 6) The sturdy short-hafted halberd is Fairly Sturdy.
Point 7) In the current forging system Pike ranks will factor into quality of forged Halberds, and vice versa.
Counterpoint 7) With Forging 2.0 looming on the distant horizon, I'm not sure that this assumption will remain true by time I reach a skill level sufficient to actualy forge anything of any worth.
So again I ask, is there anything I've missed? Or is training Pike and Halberd both as primary weapons merely a study in redundancy (at best)?
~Ilqariondestram Qivariamentolon, Player of.
P.S. I'd like to thank Indigoe for his weapons compendium, which put the vital info on the above mentioned weapons at my fingertips.
Point 1) The lightest Pike (short hunting spear; 20 stones) is half the weight of the lightest store bought Halberd (sturdy short-hafted halberd; 40 stones).
Counterpoint 1) This character in particular will be a Tog specificly focusing on strength training, so this difference won't be noticeable past roughly 10th circle.
Point 2) There are some one-handed Pikes available (javelin, etc.).
Counterpoint 2) Steel Claw Clan sells a one-handed Halberd (the lance).
Point 3) Most Pike type weapons double as Heavy Thrown weapons.
Counterpoint 3) The lance in Steel Claw Clan also doubles as a Heavy Thrown weapon.
Point 4) Pike weapons are primarily suited for puncture damage.
Counterpoint 4) Most Halberd puncture damage is equil with, if not superior to most Pike puncture appraisal, in addition by carrying 2 different types of halberd a person can cover all three damage types (puncture, slice and impact) fairly well.
Point 5) More weapons trained equils more field TDPs.
Counterpoint 5) I'm already planning to train all weapons, regardless of which are primary, using a tiered rank distribution by circle, so the difference in using Pike primary vs. Pike tertiary with a different weapon type as primary will make no difference in TDPs.
Point 6) The best construction for a store bought Pike (that I'm aware of; the Ngalio) is Average strength.
Counterpoint 6) The sturdy short-hafted halberd is Fairly Sturdy.
Point 7) In the current forging system Pike ranks will factor into quality of forged Halberds, and vice versa.
Counterpoint 7) With Forging 2.0 looming on the distant horizon, I'm not sure that this assumption will remain true by time I reach a skill level sufficient to actualy forge anything of any worth.
So again I ask, is there anything I've missed? Or is training Pike and Halberd both as primary weapons merely a study in redundancy (at best)?
~Ilqariondestram Qivariamentolon, Player of.
P.S. I'd like to thank Indigoe for his weapons compendium, which put the vital info on the above mentioned weapons at my fingertips.
I'd say before the advent of the SCC gold-tipped lance I could have given you alot of different reasons to train both, I can no longer do that.
Halberd and pike to my knowledge are still being worked on and fixed\changed with regards to their usage\classification. So training both will give you the versatility of choosing what you want when things become concrete.
I'm halberd main and switched over from HE to that because of things like the khuj\lochaber axe, which to me were the best weapons going for slice\impact while also being pole ranged. With the advent of the new metals I've seen far better weapons produced in the THE skillset that are also pole-ranged.
In the forge as it stands there is quite a difference in what can be made in the two different classes. Although there is only one halberd that can be made and 4 different pikes, though the lance is buggy and can't be finished.
Training both halberd and pike would give you two very good weapons, if you wish to have two weapons that are quite different than each other and one handed, I wouldn't suggest these two to be the two choices, though taking a puncture pike and something like the lochaber axe would give you this distinction. I train both because I like this kind of weapon and would rather another similar kind than something that doesn't work as well for me, although I train 13 weapons.
All in all I'd wait till forging 2 does come out to make a solid decision as Fial is back working on substances and then forging 2 will be out shortly after I would hope.
Beliel
Halberd and pike to my knowledge are still being worked on and fixed\changed with regards to their usage\classification. So training both will give you the versatility of choosing what you want when things become concrete.
I'm halberd main and switched over from HE to that because of things like the khuj\lochaber axe, which to me were the best weapons going for slice\impact while also being pole ranged. With the advent of the new metals I've seen far better weapons produced in the THE skillset that are also pole-ranged.
In the forge as it stands there is quite a difference in what can be made in the two different classes. Although there is only one halberd that can be made and 4 different pikes, though the lance is buggy and can't be finished.
Training both halberd and pike would give you two very good weapons, if you wish to have two weapons that are quite different than each other and one handed, I wouldn't suggest these two to be the two choices, though taking a puncture pike and something like the lochaber axe would give you this distinction. I train both because I like this kind of weapon and would rather another similar kind than something that doesn't work as well for me, although I train 13 weapons.
All in all I'd wait till forging 2 does come out to make a solid decision as Fial is back working on substances and then forging 2 will be out shortly after I would hope.
Beliel
I tend to like pikes more than halberds but that is because I like spears. If you could only train one, I would have to say go with halberd. Since you are in plat and everything would be storebought, halberds have the most powerful and useable weapons of the two. The pikes with the best appraisal (pike and khuj) weigh in at 143 stones which is twice the weight of any halberd, barring the halberd from Stone Clan. The one bonus for pikes is that there are two that one-handed; the ngalio and javelin. In the long run, the lochaber axe and Tzece are far superior to any pike that is now available. Good luck
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I'm starting a young s'kra barbarian and I want him to be pikes/heavy thrown primary with roughly equal ranks of brawling. Right now he has 18 strength/agility and everything else pretty dismal, so I'm going to be spending a bit of time catching up stamina and discipline as well as minimal work in mentals. I'm currently using an arthe short spear for both pike and heavy thrown. With that said, I have a few questions.
Is there any merit to training halberds? Will they give me any real advantages over a good pike weapon?
What should my next pike weapon be? If money isn't a real issue, should I go for a forged pike or is there a good pike that's a step up from the short hunting spear? I want to focus on a low roundtime (definitely no more than 4/6, which is what I have now) and decent balnce so that I can keep my own balance.
What would be a good one-handed supplementary weapon to work in addition to pikes? I'm also training shield and so I'm currently using LE with that, though I really don't want to put any real time into something as weak as LE.
Okay, and that's it for now, thanks.
-M
Is there any merit to training halberds? Will they give me any real advantages over a good pike weapon?
What should my next pike weapon be? If money isn't a real issue, should I go for a forged pike or is there a good pike that's a step up from the short hunting spear? I want to focus on a low roundtime (definitely no more than 4/6, which is what I have now) and decent balnce so that I can keep my own balance.
What would be a good one-handed supplementary weapon to work in addition to pikes? I'm also training shield and so I'm currently using LE with that, though I really don't want to put any real time into something as weak as LE.
Okay, and that's it for now, thanks.
-M
<< I'm starting a young s'kra barbarian and I want him to be pikes/heavy thrown primary with roughly equal ranks of brawling. Right now he has 18 strength/agility and everything else pretty dismal, so I'm going to be spending a bit of time catching up stamina and discipline as well as minimal work in mentals. I'm currently using an arthe short spear for both pike and heavy thrown. With that said, I have a few questions. >>
<< Is there any merit to training halberds? Will they give me any real advantages over a good pike weapon>>
I have the exact same number of ranks in pike and halberd, and I personally like halberd better, I find it to be a more flexible weapon as well as I feel it hits harder.
<<What should my next pike weapon be? If money isn't a real issue, should I go for a forged pike or is there a good pike that's a step up from the short hunting spear? I want to focus on a low roundtime (definitely no more than 4/6, which is what I have now) and decent balnce so that I can keep my own balance.>>
If your still getting 4/6 with the hunting spear, then its not time to step up yet, all the other pikes I know will give you considerably longer RT. Stick with the spear for now.
<<What would be a good one-handed supplementary weapon to work in addition to pikes? I'm also training shield and so I'm currently using LE with that, though I really don't want to put any real time into something as weak as LE.>>
Personally I would suggest HE or a one handed LB or MB. Since your pike primary its a given your going to be investing a lot into strength and agility, so other priority weapons to work on would be heavier ones. I always advocate training at least one blunt, as the impact damage they provide works better with some critters then puncture or slice damage does. But another thing to consider is being easily flexible, and HE being a very common weapon, it might be good to be skilled in it if your using such an unusual primary and secondary weapon choice. Ultimately its up to you, but I guess I would train HE and LB, not just one of them, this will give you a lot of options and flexibility and will help you be well rounded.
Russell, player of Jerid Kardragon
<< Is there any merit to training halberds? Will they give me any real advantages over a good pike weapon>>
I have the exact same number of ranks in pike and halberd, and I personally like halberd better, I find it to be a more flexible weapon as well as I feel it hits harder.
<<What should my next pike weapon be? If money isn't a real issue, should I go for a forged pike or is there a good pike that's a step up from the short hunting spear? I want to focus on a low roundtime (definitely no more than 4/6, which is what I have now) and decent balnce so that I can keep my own balance.>>
If your still getting 4/6 with the hunting spear, then its not time to step up yet, all the other pikes I know will give you considerably longer RT. Stick with the spear for now.
<<What would be a good one-handed supplementary weapon to work in addition to pikes? I'm also training shield and so I'm currently using LE with that, though I really don't want to put any real time into something as weak as LE.>>
Personally I would suggest HE or a one handed LB or MB. Since your pike primary its a given your going to be investing a lot into strength and agility, so other priority weapons to work on would be heavier ones. I always advocate training at least one blunt, as the impact damage they provide works better with some critters then puncture or slice damage does. But another thing to consider is being easily flexible, and HE being a very common weapon, it might be good to be skilled in it if your using such an unusual primary and secondary weapon choice. Ultimately its up to you, but I guess I would train HE and LB, not just one of them, this will give you a lot of options and flexibility and will help you be well rounded.
Russell, player of Jerid Kardragon
>Is there any merit to training halberds? Will they give me any real advantages over a good pike weapon?
In my opinion, I would train both, just for the fact that the halberd is an awesome weapon, but normally quite a bit heavier than the pike. I enjoy both, even though I still get onger RT with my halberd. But as far as strike for strike, the halberd is a great weapon IMNSHO.
>What should my next pike weapon be? If money isn't a real issue, should I go for a forged pike or is there a good pike that's a step up from the short hunting spear? I want to focus on a low roundtime (definitely no more than 4/6, which is what I have now) and decent balnce so that I can keep my own balance.
I agree with what was said, the short hunting spear is probably your best bet for a while. I have quite a bit more strength and agility than you do, and I still use it. I kill things rather quickly because I get a nice, short RT. I would stick with it for a while, and then maybe look for heavier, harder hitting options at a later date.
>What would be a good one-handed supplementary weapon to work in addition to pikes? I'm also training shield and so I'm currently using LE with that, though I really don't want to put any real time into something as weak as LE.
There are many options that could be recommended here. I would go with either a nice, light ME - such as a forged scmitar - or a nice, light MB weapon. Blunts are extremely underrated to many people. They help in ways such as knocking the opponent off balance. Of course, they are quite badly balanced themself so unless you find a good way to use it, they can be a pain. Hope this helps some.
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In my opinion, I would train both, just for the fact that the halberd is an awesome weapon, but normally quite a bit heavier than the pike. I enjoy both, even though I still get onger RT with my halberd. But as far as strike for strike, the halberd is a great weapon IMNSHO.
>What should my next pike weapon be? If money isn't a real issue, should I go for a forged pike or is there a good pike that's a step up from the short hunting spear? I want to focus on a low roundtime (definitely no more than 4/6, which is what I have now) and decent balnce so that I can keep my own balance.
I agree with what was said, the short hunting spear is probably your best bet for a while. I have quite a bit more strength and agility than you do, and I still use it. I kill things rather quickly because I get a nice, short RT. I would stick with it for a while, and then maybe look for heavier, harder hitting options at a later date.
>What would be a good one-handed supplementary weapon to work in addition to pikes? I'm also training shield and so I'm currently using LE with that, though I really don't want to put any real time into something as weak as LE.
There are many options that could be recommended here. I would go with either a nice, light ME - such as a forged scmitar - or a nice, light MB weapon. Blunts are extremely underrated to many people. They help in ways such as knocking the opponent off balance. Of course, they are quite badly balanced themself so unless you find a good way to use it, they can be a pain. Hope this helps some.
--R*a*y**d*e*l**l, et al.
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I use the Arthe Dale short hunting spear to train pike and HT. Its not an awesome pike, but its the lowest easiest to use HT that I know of. If theres one easier please someone speak up for I'd like to know as well. Get yourself shoulder tube from Theren General Store and then get 6 hunting spears from Arthe Dale and yer set. I lock both easy.
I used a short hunting spear for my first 100 ranks and for the money and replaceability it is pretty good. Once you get up in levels I would buy a ngalio from Leth or one of the three spears sold at Edwords during the Ice Festival. Halberds are good weapons and are a little sturdier than pikes in general but are heavier and most need a weapon strap or special container. Buy a short hafted halberd from Theren for starters and see how you like it.
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Has anyone else found pike weapons to be less effective than before? It seems the only way to do any real damage is to lunge and pray your defenses hold for 6 seconds. Am I the only one that thinks its rediculous to sweep with a pike in the middle of a combo just to gain balance? And why does every combo have to end with or lead up to a lunge? It seems to me that pike combos could be a lot better than they are presently.
-Rayje Bledd
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-Rayje Bledd
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I do alright with a ngalio in leucros (parry/jab/sweep/thrust/chop) at 148 ranks. But it definitely isn't the most impressive weapon. I think I even remember a post from Ssra saying he wasn't gonna make it very good because he didn't feel it should be effective in ground combat (something like that, since it was mostly used for horseback combat or something). Don't quote me on that, I just coulda sworn I read something like that from him.
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<<Has anyone else found pike weapons to be less effective than before? It seems the only way to do any real damage is to lunge and pray your defenses hold for 6 seconds. Am I the only one that thinks its rediculous to sweep with a pike in the middle of a combo just to gain balance? And why does every combo have to end with or lead up to a lunge? It seems to me that pike combos could be a lot better than they are presently.>>
In general I've noticed punture type weapons (moves) to be less effective myself. The sweep I don't mind because I think of pikes moreso as spears and things as well which sweeps would make alot of sense with opposed to a lance which just seems odd for actual melee combat, though I use one cause they are there. I agree on the lunge 6 sec rt is rather large I mean it's double the rt as a chop for me. I picked up pikes purposely cause they were one-handed pole (or some were) and because I didn't have to parry all the time like with edges to gain balance and do damage (I really dislike having alot of rt with no attack and I don't use stance parry to start with) I know my edges, blunts, staves all seem to do better for me than before, my slice\impact halberds also do far better than before but I don't have a one handed version sadly. I probably should try a ngalio just to test. For a guess for me all my other weapons are very well suited with good impact, perhaps that's part of it that I can't find a good pike that takes advantage of my stats properly.
I'm just hoping that with the forging changes and weapon rewrites possibly the molds will make the weapons more worthwhile than they currently are. My m\p\l r\f javelin I made works alright but comparatively to a sabre with far less weight it seems kinda weak to me (course my sabre is glaes, made by someone who could grind ect.) now if only there was a point to making a 80 stone one hander I'd be able to tell a bit better....
Beliel
In general I've noticed punture type weapons (moves) to be less effective myself. The sweep I don't mind because I think of pikes moreso as spears and things as well which sweeps would make alot of sense with opposed to a lance which just seems odd for actual melee combat, though I use one cause they are there. I agree on the lunge 6 sec rt is rather large I mean it's double the rt as a chop for me. I picked up pikes purposely cause they were one-handed pole (or some were) and because I didn't have to parry all the time like with edges to gain balance and do damage (I really dislike having alot of rt with no attack and I don't use stance parry to start with) I know my edges, blunts, staves all seem to do better for me than before, my slice\impact halberds also do far better than before but I don't have a one handed version sadly. I probably should try a ngalio just to test. For a guess for me all my other weapons are very well suited with good impact, perhaps that's part of it that I can't find a good pike that takes advantage of my stats properly.
I'm just hoping that with the forging changes and weapon rewrites possibly the molds will make the weapons more worthwhile than they currently are. My m\p\l r\f javelin I made works alright but comparatively to a sabre with far less weight it seems kinda weak to me (course my sabre is glaes, made by someone who could grind ect.) now if only there was a point to making a 80 stone one hander I'd be able to tell a bit better....
Beliel
>I'm just hoping that with the forging changes and weapon rewrites possibly the molds will make the weapons more worthwhile than they currently are. My m\p\l r\f javelin I made works alright but comparatively to a sabre with far less weight it seems kinda weak to me (course my sabre is glaes, made by someone who could grind ect.) now if only there was a point to making a 80 stone one hander I'd be able to tell a bit better....
While I would love for better forged spears, I dont think the weapons themselves are the problem. I am using a heavy puncture spear and before the changes it was hands down my fastest and deadliest swarm killer, but now its like pulling teeth to get better than good and solid hits. I think the combinations need to be rewritten or adjusted for pikes because I am getting better, stronger hits with 40 fewer ranks of halberd. Pikes need more positive gain sequences like edged weapons have.
-Rayje Bledd
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While I would love for better forged spears, I dont think the weapons themselves are the problem. I am using a heavy puncture spear and before the changes it was hands down my fastest and deadliest swarm killer, but now its like pulling teeth to get better than good and solid hits. I think the combinations need to be rewritten or adjusted for pikes because I am getting better, stronger hits with 40 fewer ranks of halberd. Pikes need more positive gain sequences like edged weapons have.
-Rayje Bledd
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<<While I would love for better forged spears, I dont think the weapons themselves are the problem. I am using a heavy puncture spear and before the changes it was hands down my fastest and deadliest swarm killer, but now its like pulling teeth to get better than good and solid hits. I think the combinations need to be rewritten or adjusted for pikes because I am getting better, stronger hits with 40 fewer ranks of halberd. Pikes need more positive gain sequences like edged weapons have.>>
Honestly I agree with you Rayje. Sometimes I try and be a bit too optimistic. Both my halberd lance and my pikes (javelin, spear and pike) seem to have taken a big hit, enough that I'm considering bring my HE back up (as it got a huge boost for me) While for halberds I can deal with the fact that I made a bad choice as my main now that I prefer to always use shield. On pikes it's really hard to swallow. I brought it up to my 3rd place weapon in hopes that any changes to halberd I'd be able to fall back on it. I hadn't considered both might be made sub-par for one handers.
Beliel
Honestly I agree with you Rayje. Sometimes I try and be a bit too optimistic. Both my halberd lance and my pikes (javelin, spear and pike) seem to have taken a big hit, enough that I'm considering bring my HE back up (as it got a huge boost for me) While for halberds I can deal with the fact that I made a bad choice as my main now that I prefer to always use shield. On pikes it's really hard to swallow. I brought it up to my 3rd place weapon in hopes that any changes to halberd I'd be able to fall back on it. I hadn't considered both might be made sub-par for one handers.
Beliel
Heh, here's suggestions skiori.
We need 2 brand spankin new attack commands.
1 for draw and 1 for sweep, which uses more puncture than slice(since both those attacks are slice type attacks, that use little if any impact)
replace draw and sweep in the pike combo's with those new attack commands. Also, add them into the edge and halberd combo's.
We need 2 brand spankin new attack commands.
1 for draw and 1 for sweep, which uses more puncture than slice(since both those attacks are slice type attacks, that use little if any impact)
replace draw and sweep in the pike combo's with those new attack commands. Also, add them into the edge and halberd combo's.
>Have puncture weapons be put back on par with slicing weapons, because right now it is skewed in the slicers favour. This will help clear up a lot of problems with pokey weapons.
Agreed.
Puncture weapons just haven't been acting right since the change. I just hope their lack of performance wasn't intended.
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Agreed.
Puncture weapons just haven't been acting right since the change. I just hope their lack of performance wasn't intended.
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I think A good sequence would be dodge, jab, feint, thrust and make jab a neutral gain after thrust and keep lunge at a positive gain after feint or thrust. This would get rid of the ineffectual sweep and allow one to maintain a balance between damage and defensive penalty. While lunge does gain balance during the sequence, it gives such a large penalty to evasion for such a long time and until pikes are reviewed by Ssraa, they are not really sturdy enough to continuously parry with. I also think tha slicing pikes should get their own sequences since the best slice attack is neutral gain and all others are negative.
I think that it would be easier for slicing pikes is to use the regular halberd combo, while thrusting halberds use the regular pike combo. There is such an overlapping of weapon types in these two weapon classes to make them almost identical, so I dont see why they couldnt utilize similar combos.
-Rayje Bledd
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I think that it would be easier for slicing pikes is to use the regular halberd combo, while thrusting halberds use the regular pike combo. There is such an overlapping of weapon types in these two weapon classes to make them almost identical, so I dont see why they couldnt utilize similar combos.
-Rayje Bledd
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I kinda like pike sequences actually. Though you'd think there'd be at least one balance positive sequence involving chop. Currently chop puts you slightly off balance going in and out of it for any combo. Which isn't really too bad, if you need some quick choppage at any point.
And I agree in that we need more puncture commands.
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And I agree in that we need more puncture commands.
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"Then get my beloved spears out of the pike catagory. Spears are very deadly melee weapons durn it!"
Thank you! That is the problem... To say that pikes are not a melee weapon is all fine and good if you are making a RL argument. In DR, spears are lumped into the "pike" category and shouldn't be treated as "plant in the ground and await a charge" weapons, IMHO. In the DR sense, that view of pikes is narrow-minded.
Thank you! That is the problem... To say that pikes are not a melee weapon is all fine and good if you are making a RL argument. In DR, spears are lumped into the "pike" category and shouldn't be treated as "plant in the ground and await a charge" weapons, IMHO. In the DR sense, that view of pikes is narrow-minded.
pikes and most halberd-type weapons were just that plant in the ground and wait for the charge or thrust into a horse knocking off a rider.
However spears > swords, in most cases spears, and other spear-like weapons often gave a first strike capability and properly aimed could pierce armor with greater ease then a sword. The blunt end of a spear was also a very deadly weapon since the counter weight at the end was also used as a means to bash your oppenents heads in <g>
Pikes and Quaterstaves need special combat techniques specific to them taught by trainers to make them more effective martial weapons. Like rather then just thrusting a pike trying to stab at something you could swing it around bashing something over the head with the blunt end of it, knocking it off balance with a chance to stun.
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However spears > swords, in most cases spears, and other spear-like weapons often gave a first strike capability and properly aimed could pierce armor with greater ease then a sword. The blunt end of a spear was also a very deadly weapon since the counter weight at the end was also used as a means to bash your oppenents heads in <g>
Pikes and Quaterstaves need special combat techniques specific to them taught by trainers to make them more effective martial weapons. Like rather then just thrusting a pike trying to stab at something you could swing it around bashing something over the head with the blunt end of it, knocking it off balance with a chance to stun.
--The light is blinding and purges all in its path, leaving only shadows behind, but long after the light has dwindled the shadows will remain to rise and swallow the ruins in darkness
Ok so far I've found the basic conmbo.
Dodge, jab, sweep, thrust, lunge.
I added two more to it and it works ok, but I was wondering if anyone else had some better combos? Here's what I added and my balance stays good so I'm using it so far.
Dodge, jab, sweep, thrust, feint, lunge, pummel. (repeat)
Jim
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Dodge, jab, sweep, thrust, lunge.
I added two more to it and it works ok, but I was wondering if anyone else had some better combos? Here's what I added and my balance stays good so I'm using it so far.
Dodge, jab, sweep, thrust, feint, lunge, pummel. (repeat)
Jim
"Arrogance:
The best leaders inspire by example. When that's not an option, brute intimidation works pretty well, too."
"Pummel" and "bash" are balance-neutral following all moves except feint, when they are slightly balance positive. So try changing the end of that to feint, pummel, lunge, and see how that works for you.
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Killing you softly with his song,
- Stormsinger Shavay
"We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams"
- Arthur O'Shaughnessy
http://www.mistletoebeltbuckle.com
I thought that the weapons were all supposed to be corrected to be the correct template? I went to Noel's Arms in Riverhaven hoping that the ox-tongue spear would now be pike/heavy thrown based, but sadly its still halberd based.
Any chance of this getting corrected?
R>app spear on rack careful
An ox-tongue spear is a halberd pole-ranged weapon.
You are certain that it could do:
heavy puncture damage
fair slice damage
low impact damage
You are certain that the spear is fairly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the ox-tongue spear is of average strength, and is in pristine condition.
The ox-tongue spear is made with metal.
You have no clear idea how much the ox-tongue spear weighs.
You are certain that the ox-tongue spear is worth exactly 700 lirums.
Roundtime: 16 seconds.
Jim
Any chance of this getting corrected?
R>app spear on rack careful
An ox-tongue spear is a halberd pole-ranged weapon.
You are certain that it could do:
heavy puncture damage
fair slice damage
low impact damage
You are certain that the spear is fairly balanced and is fairly suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the ox-tongue spear is of average strength, and is in pristine condition.
The ox-tongue spear is made with metal.
You have no clear idea how much the ox-tongue spear weighs.
You are certain that the ox-tongue spear is worth exactly 700 lirums.
Roundtime: 16 seconds.
Jim
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