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> at later ranks what happens is the penalty to evasion due to shield hindrance ends up being larger than the protection offered by the shield thus the shield penalizes itself.
I don't think this is correct. The protection offered by the shield increases with ranks. Assuming your evasion is roughly the same as your shield skill, the protection from the shield will always be greater than the evasion penalty you're taking. However, you're trading first line of defense for second line of defense, so that's unfortunate.
> But parry imposes no hindrance to your evasion so as your stats and skills grow so to does your ability to parry grow exponentially and unhindered.
Defense from parrying grows faster than defense from shield block, but it is by no means exponential.
>>I can tell you that this statement is definitely not right.
I can tell you that it is correct (lol I tested it) with about 10 minutes of testing. It doesn't require hours upon hours of testing either. The simple fact of the matter is, a weapon with 800 less ranks was parrying almost as well as the other. Any by almost, I mean taking an extra hit or two every few minutes. The point I was making is: the parry/weapon rank difference is extremely exaggerated. I never said it doesn't exist, only that it's not as bad as people make it out to be.
>>s for the parry deaths, I spend much more time parrying with a scimitar (ME primary). While working LT, I have a halberd in hand (I get halberd ranks using ambush slash while training LT), which is much lower around 700 ranks. Although I spend less time parrying with halberd, almost all of my deaths while parrying are with the halberd in hand, not the scimitar. I never die while holding a scimitar and parrying. It's probably been more than six months since such a thing happened. Can't remember it.
That could be just coincidence, even in 6 months. I could never die while parrying with my 2HE but die when using HE just from 'bad rolls'.
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I can tell you that it is correct (lol I tested it) with about 10 minutes of testing. It doesn't require hours upon hours of testing either. The simple fact of the matter is, a weapon with 800 less ranks was parrying almost as well as the other. Any by almost, I mean taking an extra hit or two every few minutes. The point I was making is: the parry/weapon rank difference is extremely exaggerated. I never said it doesn't exist, only that it's not as bad as people make it out to be.
>>s for the parry deaths, I spend much more time parrying with a scimitar (ME primary). While working LT, I have a halberd in hand (I get halberd ranks using ambush slash while training LT), which is much lower around 700 ranks. Although I spend less time parrying with halberd, almost all of my deaths while parrying are with the halberd in hand, not the scimitar. I never die while holding a scimitar and parrying. It's probably been more than six months since such a thing happened. Can't remember it.
That could be just coincidence, even in 6 months. I could never die while parrying with my 2HE but die when using HE just from 'bad rolls'.
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<<I don't think this is correct. The protection offered by the shield increases with ranks. Assuming your evasion is roughly the same as your shield skill, the protection from the shield will always be greater than the evasion penalty you're taking. However, you're trading first line of defense for second line of defense, so that's unfortunate.
Yeah, Dart confirmed this one. You can probably find the post on E-pedia or if you look in Combat GM announcements it will be in one of the most recent Combat 3.0 updates.
Madigan
Yeah, Dart confirmed this one. You can probably find the post on E-pedia or if you look in Combat GM announcements it will be in one of the most recent Combat 3.0 updates.
Madigan
http://elanthipedia.org/w/index.php/Post:Parry_vs_Shield_Discussion_-_1/25/2010_-_23:00:05
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> Yeah, Dart confirmed this one. You can probably find the post on E-pedia or if you look in Combat GM announcements it will be in one of the most recent Combat 3.0 updates.
I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me here, but the post Caraamon provided doesn't say I'm wrong. I think people might be misunderstanding it.
It's not saying that at high ranks the evasion penalty of a shield outweighs your shield defense. This is easily seen to be false -- just go into an at level hunting area stanced for shield, and drop your shield. You'll suddenly be taking more hits. So clearly the shield was providing a net gain in defense.
It's saying that at high ranks, the evasion penalty of a shield outweighs the bonus that a shield provides on top of your ranks. So defending with a shield is defending with evasion + shield + a penalty. But that's still better than just evasion (assuming you have decent shield ranks).
I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me here, but the post Caraamon provided doesn't say I'm wrong. I think people might be misunderstanding it.
It's not saying that at high ranks the evasion penalty of a shield outweighs your shield defense. This is easily seen to be false -- just go into an at level hunting area stanced for shield, and drop your shield. You'll suddenly be taking more hits. So clearly the shield was providing a net gain in defense.
It's saying that at high ranks, the evasion penalty of a shield outweighs the bonus that a shield provides on top of your ranks. So defending with a shield is defending with evasion + shield + a penalty. But that's still better than just evasion (assuming you have decent shield ranks).
You're right. Being able to block with a shield at a penalty doens't outweight not being able to block at all.
I'm not sure that was necessary to explicitly state... but ok.
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I'm not sure that was necessary to explicitly state... but ok.
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<<You're right. Being able to block with a shield at a penalty doens't outweight not being able to block at all.
Yep. I took your first comment a different way. From a practical standpoint, it means that your net gain in defense is better with the largest shield with the least amount of evasion penalty. When or if that applies to you will vary depending on ranks.
Madigan
Yep. I took your first comment a different way. From a practical standpoint, it means that your net gain in defense is better with the largest shield with the least amount of evasion penalty. When or if that applies to you will vary depending on ranks.
Madigan
