So I was standing around being an idiot and got absolutely owned by someone with exactly 500 ranks in HThrown.
Im not sure my stances were set right, but even still...
My defenses are all in the 700s.... is this the current mechanic for the game in place or did I do something very wrong?
I'm sure my stats are all quite better than the other players.
Thanks in advance
HT question on 02/23/2012 05:25 PM CST
Re: HT question on 02/23/2012 05:28 PM CST
>>500 HT vs 700 Defenses
Was the person using Dragon Dance? That's about the only thing I can think of that gives that much of an offensive bonus.
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Was the person using Dragon Dance? That's about the only thing I can think of that gives that much of an offensive bonus.
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Re: HT question on 02/23/2012 05:30 PM CST
Re: HT question on 02/23/2012 05:31 PM CST
Re: HT question on 02/23/2012 05:31 PM CST
>>I doubt dragon would boost you that high.
You'd be surprised at what all dragon dance does :P
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You'd be surprised at what all dragon dance does :P
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Re: HT question on 02/23/2012 05:31 PM CST
>>Can you fudge a tell skill?
Not if he used TELLEXP
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Not if he used TELLEXP
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Re: HT question on 02/23/2012 05:33 PM CST
Re: HT question on 02/23/2012 05:33 PM CST
If you were stanced into parry significantly... yea, it can happen.
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Re: HT question on 02/23/2012 05:39 PM CST
Re: HT question on 02/23/2012 05:40 PM CST
<<Im not sure my stances were set right, but even still... >>
What are the odds you were stanced 100% parry and the rest into either Shield of Evasion? 80% of 700 is only 560 effective defense. Throw on a modest skill boost and a lucky shot and I could see getting owned in that situation.
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What are the odds you were stanced 100% parry and the rest into either Shield of Evasion? 80% of 700 is only 560 effective defense. Throw on a modest skill boost and a lucky shot and I could see getting owned in that situation.
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Re: HT question on 02/23/2012 05:46 PM CST
Went back to the log and looked at it, I was stance shield
100% evasion 780 ranks
92% shield 750 ranks
versus
Hthrown 499
He literally two-shot me. I was standing there talking and not doing anything and wearing my shield on my arm.
I gotta find him and do some more testing I think. I'm not sure he was dragon dancing at the time.
I'm more curious than anything, also I want to train HThrown badly right now. Especially since Xbow training makes me want to shoot myself in the eye with an xbow.
100% evasion 780 ranks
92% shield 750 ranks
versus
Hthrown 499
He literally two-shot me. I was standing there talking and not doing anything and wearing my shield on my arm.
I gotta find him and do some more testing I think. I'm not sure he was dragon dancing at the time.
I'm more curious than anything, also I want to train HThrown badly right now. Especially since Xbow training makes me want to shoot myself in the eye with an xbow.
Re: HT question on 02/23/2012 05:46 PM CST
Re: HT question on 02/23/2012 05:58 PM CST
HT vs. Shield results in shield winning even if HT outclasses shield a bit.
So:
1. He somehow jacked his skills up to smoke you with two shots, which means he would have to be well above 700 to do so. DD might get them that high, but that seems extreme.
2. He is just giving you wrong information.
I am guessing #2.
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So:
1. He somehow jacked his skills up to smoke you with two shots, which means he would have to be well above 700 to do so. DD might get them that high, but that seems extreme.
2. He is just giving you wrong information.
I am guessing #2.
Madigan
Re: HT question on 02/23/2012 06:05 PM CST
Re: HT question on 02/23/2012 06:06 PM CST
Re: HT question on 02/23/2012 06:25 PM CST
Was your last attack a dodge or parry, or was it a sweep or lunge?
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Re: HT question on 02/23/2012 06:36 PM CST
>>or was it a sweep or lunge?
Or grapple or tackle. I've been hit with like 400 ranks after a tackle at 900+ ranks.
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Or grapple or tackle. I've been hit with like 400 ranks after a tackle at 900+ ranks.
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Re: HT question on 02/23/2012 07:24 PM CST
Re: HT question on 02/23/2012 07:34 PM CST
>>I wonder if thats what it was.
I will 100% guarantee that's what it was if that's what your last maneuver was before you were attacked. Something like a 50% rank cut or worse.
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I will 100% guarantee that's what it was if that's what your last maneuver was before you were attacked. Something like a 50% rank cut or worse.
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Re: HT question on 02/23/2012 07:58 PM CST
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Re: HT question on 02/24/2012 12:34 AM CST
>>Was the person using Dragon Dance? That's about the only thing I can think of that gives that much of an offensive bonus.
You, my friend, need to get a little more acquainted with Thieves. :D
Dragon dance gives a percentage boost and at 500 ranks won't be anywhere near game-breaking.
I knew it had to be something since currently LX > thrown.
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You, my friend, need to get a little more acquainted with Thieves. :D
Dragon dance gives a percentage boost and at 500 ranks won't be anywhere near game-breaking.
I knew it had to be something since currently LX > thrown.
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Re: HT question on 02/24/2012 05:23 AM CST
Re: HT question on 02/24/2012 06:02 AM CST
>>You, my friend, need to get a little more acquainted with Thieves. :D
Come to think of it I haven't sparred a Thief in a realllly long time. I'm probably out of practice :(
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Come to think of it I haven't sparred a Thief in a realllly long time. I'm probably out of practice :(
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Re: HT question on 02/24/2012 08:35 AM CST
Re: HT question on 02/25/2012 12:24 AM CST
BS can pop your damage up to insane levels, but I don't think the bonus to hit is quite as high. It is quite possible to miss with a backstab despite successfully passing the perception test, which would not be the case (most of the time) after, say, 150 weapon ranks in a weapon, if it was a 500% boost on the to hit side.
But, in my experience, khri spar at the post 60 discipline level is a close match up to dragon in terms of straight weapon boost.
Tackle killed you. Don't even think about dropping an aimable weapon for a thrown if your goal is killing people with considerably higher defenses (especially shield) than your ranged weapon.
But, in my experience, khri spar at the post 60 discipline level is a close match up to dragon in terms of straight weapon boost.
Tackle killed you. Don't even think about dropping an aimable weapon for a thrown if your goal is killing people with considerably higher defenses (especially shield) than your ranged weapon.
Re: HT question on 02/25/2012 06:49 AM CST
Re: HT question on 02/25/2012 12:05 PM CST
Re: HT question on 02/25/2012 12:18 PM CST
<<<Its defiantly absolutely tackle that killed you.
All the "Grappling" brawl moves have amazingly huge penalties or seem to completely turn off all defenses or something equally broken.
I'm shocked you didn't get one shotted.
>>
So kind of a random question. How do you turn off the penalty?
Like if I had typed "parry" or something would that have turned off the terrible stance the tackle put me in? Do I have to swing at something? Is there a way to do it without attacking something I guess is my question.
All the "Grappling" brawl moves have amazingly huge penalties or seem to completely turn off all defenses or something equally broken.
I'm shocked you didn't get one shotted.
>>
So kind of a random question. How do you turn off the penalty?
Like if I had typed "parry" or something would that have turned off the terrible stance the tackle put me in? Do I have to swing at something? Is there a way to do it without attacking something I guess is my question.
Re: HT question on 02/25/2012 03:40 PM CST
Re: HT question on 02/25/2012 03:43 PM CST