Speaking of forged weapons. on 12/02/2005 06:31 PM CST
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I found a claymore in my vault. No forging mark but I'm pretty sure it's forged. Here's the info.

a claymore
Low puncture/bone-crushing slice/fair impact.
Dismally balanced and is reasonably suited.
Moderately strong, and is in pristine condition.
The claymore is made with metal.
The claymore weighs about thirty-four stones.
You are certain that the claymore is worth exactly 700 lirums.

I got certains on all aspects of it expect for weight, so I took it to get weighed and input that info above. Is it forged and if so is it capped out for a forged weapon? What is the value of such a weapon as well, on average.

Thanks,
Jim

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Re: Speaking of forged weapons. on 12/02/2005 07:49 PM CST
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I'm no master forger here... but if that thing for sure is bone-crushing slice and only weighs 34 stones it's probably made of a special metal. By contrast, I've gone a L/BC/M claymore that weighs... eighty stones. 2.5 times as much. For a bone-crushing claymore that weighs less than a Crossing broadsword, I'm almost certain it's a special metal.

<You hear very soft footsteps.> 120 lessons and all I learned was how terrible my perception truly was!

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Re: Speaking of forged weapons. on 12/02/2005 07:59 PM CST
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>>I'm no master forger here... but if that thing for sure is bone-crushing slice and only weighs 34 stones it's probably made of a special metal. By contrast, I've gone a L/BC/M claymore that weighs... eighty stones. 2.5 times as much. For a bone-crushing claymore that weighs less than a Crossing broadsword, I'm almost certain it's a special metal.<<

That's a standard weight 34 stone claymore. At 80 stones, by contrst, you can get a F/BC/G claymore. And I think at around 86 stones, F/BC/S becomes possible. With special metals, you can get into the devastating slice range.

-Wighten
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Re: Speaking of forged weapons. on 12/02/2005 08:03 PM CST
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>I'm no master forger here... but if that thing for sure is bone-crushing slice and only weighs 34 stones it's probably made of a special metal. By contrast, I've gone a L/BC/M claymore that weighs... eighty stones. 2.5 times as much. For a bone-crushing claymore that weighs less than a Crossing broadsword, I'm almost certain it's a special metal.

I wouldn't recommend basing assumptions off of a single blade that you own.

Using high-carbon steel, claymores can be made with BC slice all the way down to 34 stones. I thought the 34 stone ones only came out like l/bc/l d/r fairly sturdy or something similarly nasty, but I'm not positive what their best app is.

Using normal hard steel, BC slice claymores can be made as light as 36 stones, and can appraise f/bc/f d/r, or maybe even d/w, and are well constructed. Much better than the high-carbon ones.

Dragoonseal
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Re: Speaking of forged weapons. on 12/02/2005 08:18 PM CST
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Well, there you go. Special metals would have insane impact too. I guess next time I'll wait till I forge any sort of 2HE to try and answer.



<You hear very soft footsteps.> 120 lessons and all I learned was how terrible my perception truly was!

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Re: Speaking of forged weapons. on 12/02/2005 08:33 PM CST
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>Well, there you go. Special metals would have insane impact too. I guess next time I'll wait till I forge any sort of 2HE to try and answer.

You don't have to be able to forge 2HEs, it just helps to actually be familiar with what can be made with the system before trying to inform others of those limits.

Dragoonseal
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Re: Speaking of forged weapons. on 12/02/2005 08:56 PM CST
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<<You don't have to be able to forge 2HEs, it just helps to actually be familiar with what can be made with the system before trying to inform others of those limits.

I'll grant you the second part (informing others), but let's be honest here. There are only two ways to know exactly what can and cannot be made under the current foraging system. One is to be big enough to forge and grind capped blades with reliable mixes (or work closely with someone who is big enough, like some sort of apprentice). This is the hands-on approach to knowing what is and is not possible with normal mixes, meaning you'll learn real quick without even trying. The only other way to learn it would be to look at a list of some sort and memorize all the possible forging results. Needless to say, this don't seem very viable. I know the stats on capped 28 and 36 stone basties, and 18 stone scims, but that's about it. The only people who would have an in-depth mental list of the possible results for forging are people who can forge, people who could forge and sold their characters, or people who work closely with forgers like Traders selling in bulk. Not a matter of anything but experience, and only people who CAN forge those blades would have the experience. That said... now I know the results of a normal 34 stone claymore.

<You hear very soft footsteps.> 120 lessons and all I learned was how terrible my perception truly was!

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Re: Speaking of forged weapons. on 12/02/2005 09:04 PM CST
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>>The only people who would have an in-depth mental list of the possible results for forging are people who can forge, people who could forge and sold their characters, or people who work closely with forgers like Traders selling in bulk<<

I know what can be forged with most templates, and I've only been in the forge myself 4-5 times. I've just picked it up as I've gotten older. I talk with a lot of forgers, ask about what can be made with different weights, because I have very specific needs and wants with my weapons.

All the information is out there. If you really want to know what all is going on with the forging system. Just because you haven't been really interested in it, to know what all is possible, doesn't mean that no one can.

-Wighten
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Re: Speaking of forged weapons. on 12/02/2005 09:11 PM CST
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Actually quite interested if you're offering. If someone HAS composed a list of some sorts it would be great: ie, this is a standard 28-stone bastard sword, this is when it's been grinded max for edge, for balance, etc etc etc. If not... well, I guess I can just learn bit by bit like everyone else.

<You hear very soft footsteps.> 120 lessons and all I learned was how terrible my perception truly was!

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Re: Speaking of forged weapons. on 12/02/2005 10:25 PM CST
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Thanks for the posts folks, so it's just a standard forged claymore and not capped by any means. How much does one like this go for typically?

Jim
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