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DAENAR-DR

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Creature Spawn on 02/17/2013 07:57 PM CST

Me: Hmm weird, no creatures in 2+ minutes.
Me: Hunt

... 3 people dancing with 3.

Shoulda known.

I guess it's time to break back into my ole "target right leg/left leg/right arm/left arm" if I want to actually learn while killing stuff.

#ridiculous

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Re: Creature Spawn on 02/17/2013 09:17 PM CST

Complaining about a hunting area without telling us what hunting area it is so no one can look into it.

#ridiculous

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Re: Creature Spawn on 02/17/2013 10:51 PM CST

>#ridiculous

Noooooo! Not you too.

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Re: Creature Spawn on 02/18/2013 12:44 AM CST

>>#ridiculous

#BoardMonitorAnnwyl #Said #Hashtags #no #belong #drforums

#mixedmessages #sadface

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Re: Creature Spawn on 02/18/2013 01:40 AM CST

I fear not Annwyl, she's already out to get me.

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Re: Creature Spawn on 02/18/2013 09:49 AM CST

Warklin have this issue(near xing). Area wont support more than 7 mobs, so if there are 4 hunters in there and one guy is dancing with 4, you are lucky to ever get even one warklin.

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Re: Creature Spawn on 02/18/2013 11:05 AM CST

>Warklin have this issue(near xing). Area wont support more than 7 mobs, so if there are 4 hunters in there and one guy is dancing with 4, you are lucky to ever get even one warklin.

I'll certanily echo this. It's a frustrating place to try and hunt, and I wish I could effectively train there more frequently, but this exact reason makes it an awful hunting ground.

It's tricky in that 3.0 has made it easier to backtrain weapons (at least in my experience). So not only does it take longer to kill critters, but people are using lower-skilled weapons, thanks to mastery skills, which leads to them killing things even more slowly (if at all). And since the idea of making dancing with more creatures more dangerous never really happened, people seem to just sit there forever not killing anything. This is generally fine in areas that don't have creature spawn caps/where creatures swarm, but this is not such an area.

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/18/2013 03:03 PM CST

BLUESUEDESHOES

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/18/2013 03:21 PM CST

Wow. Really? Ugh.

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/18/2013 03:28 PM CST

>>Some math from this post: (re creature spawn)

Oi! Did you do that in a certified math lab?

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/18/2013 03:29 PM CST

I'm gonna just say that when we had an issue with spawn in assassins and intercessors, Raesh kinda fixed it. It was clear he read the post initially and if he had just been given the area he may have just looked at it, upped it and you would have been happy.

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/18/2013 03:31 PM CST

>>Let me first apologize for the snarky tone, and then turn it up to 11 and see if anyone notices.

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/18/2013 04:15 PM CST

Raesh is p4p one of the most badass GMs ever. There I said it.

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Re: Creature Spawn on 02/18/2013 04:40 PM CST

>Me: Hmm weird, no creatures in 2+ minutes.
Me: Hunt

>... 3 people dancing with 3.

>Shoulda known.

>I guess it's time to break back into my ole "target right leg/left leg/right arm/left arm" if I want to actually learn while killing stuff.

>#ridiculous

I think you need to let this sort of issue play out in an organic fashion, you're just creating more work for the GMs when they already have 100,000 bugs to work on and we all know if you post about it they are going to fix it right away when other items have priority. Bugs / issues should be found casually and in an organic way not but actively identifying how many people are dancing with certain amounts of creatures.

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Re: Creature Spawn on 02/18/2013 05:21 PM CST

>>I think you need to let this sort of issue play out in an organic fashion, you're just creating more work for the GMs when they already have 100,000 bugs to work on and we all know if you post about it they are going to fix it right away when other items have priority. Bugs / issues should be found casually and in an organic way not but actively identifying how many people are dancing with certain amounts of creatures.

LOL.

On another note go kill their critters if they are hogging spawn and won't share, unless you are afraid to face conflict in a game.

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Re: Creature Spawn on 02/18/2013 07:24 PM CST

I don't know why people are ganging up on the poster. Other than his snarky tone of dewm +1, he's absolutely right.

Players have been complaining about creature AI, and spawn rates forever.

Recently, more than ever, the squeaky wheel of DR is getting the grease. He might as well take advantage.

It's not hurting any of you if the spawn rates are fixed.

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Re: Creature Spawn on 02/18/2013 08:50 PM CST

>>I don't know why people are ganging up on the poster. Other than his snarky tone of dewm

Got it in one.

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Re: Creature Spawn on 02/18/2013 09:19 PM CST

Frankly what's needed is an audit of all hunting areas, which is an extremely time consuming process.

The problem is that we didn't want to do it before 3.0 in most cases until we saw where that left us. 3.0 is out now, but there are still some significant balance issues being resolved so I'm loath to sink the month+ that this project would likely take (And that's a lowball estimate if it was done right) only to find out we need something else going on.

As it is I'm willing to looking into specific hunting ares when I have the time (the next week or so I definitely will not have the time), but I've also got a more universal solution in proposals that I'd also like to have done before said audit happens.

I will say that next up on my list is the zombie head-hunter area - I've had permission to make a number of tweaks there since before 3.0 launched, it just got set aside in all that chaos. Further we've got a new hunting area I think many of you will enjoy really close to release (Literally it just needs a few hours of my time to finish, but again - the next week my dev time is in extremely short supply).

-Raesh

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/18/2013 10:47 PM CST

>>Let me first apologize for the snarky tone, and then turn it up to 11 and see if anyone notices.

What in the world is snarky about posting a bunch of links when the question was about hunting grounds that need to be looked at? Obviously no one has the entire list known off the top of their head, so all you can do is peruse the forums for other people posting the same issue. And if you're going to make claims based off other information provided from other people, you're always better off citing your sources

I understand people sticking up for Raesh who is in fact awesome and actually did address this issue for specific hunting grounds, but that doesn't change the fact that this major problem has been ignored by other GMs for years. If anything, the issue could stand a bit more snark until it gets the attention it deserves

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/18/2013 11:06 PM CST

>What in the world is snarky about....

Honestly, what wasn't snarky about that post?

I skimmed it (phone, long posts break it), but, did he seriously call out sprites as 'needing help'? Aren't they one of the swarmiest grounds in the game?

Pants.

CARDINALE01

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/18/2013 11:26 PM CST

>>I skimmed it (phone, long posts break it), but, did he seriously call out sprites as 'needing help'? Aren't they one of the swarmiest grounds in the game?

He... he linked to a post by you. It was from June of last year asking if there's an upper limit to mobs in a hunting area.

It didn't exactly go with his general complaint.

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/19/2013 12:03 AM CST

>>I skimmed it (phone, long posts break it), but, did he seriously call out sprites as 'needing help'? Aren't they one of the swarmiest grounds in the game?

See this is why you always cite your sources. Because it's priceless when you are called out on your claim by the exact same person who originally claimed it 6 months ago

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DAENAR-DR

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/19/2013 12:11 AM CST

>>I skimmed it (phone, long posts break it), but, did he seriously call out sprites as 'needing help'? Aren't they one of the swarmiest grounds in the game?

>>> He... he linked to a post by you. It was from June of last year asking if there's an upper limit to mobs in a hunting area.

Wow, priceless.

That Sprite post was indeed started by you Krooner. So no, I did not "seriously call out sprites," you did.

>> As it is I'm willing to looking into specific hunting ares when I have the time (the next week or so I definitely will not have the time), but I've also got a more universal solution in proposals that I'd also like to have done before said audit happens.

Opening up Call of the Siren to all guilds? :)

CARDINALE01

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/19/2013 12:21 AM CST

>>That Sprite post was indeed started by you Krooner. So no, I did not "seriously call out sprites," you did.

He didn't, actually. He asked about an upper cap on critter spawn when a hunting area is particularly crowded. It is not anywhere near the same thing as spawn rates being too low. Anyone who thinks the spawn rate in Sprites needs to be raised is just being silly.

DAENAR-DR

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/19/2013 12:31 AM CST

>> He didn't, actually. He asked about an upper cap on critter spawn when a hunting area is particularly crowded. It is not anywhere near the same thing as spawn rates being too low. Anyone who thinks the spawn rate in Sprites needs to be raised is just being silly.

If you read his post... You would notice his spawn rate was too low. There wasn't enough details to determine whether it was "dancing with 3-4 issue," but it definitely could have been, so I added it to the list.

"Assuming I even get a room, I'm not going to get more than a tiny trickle of sprites, and everyone I can see nearby within reason only has the normalish 1-4 on them (so no empaths or thieves doing random things and getting 15 on them at once)."

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/19/2013 06:22 AM CST

Resuscitant area please!

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/19/2013 07:06 AM CST

>>What in the world is snarky about posting a bunch of links when the question was about hunting grounds that need to be looked at?

The links were less comical to me than the material right after the quasi-apology honestly.... it's just one of those really funny parts of human interaction to me: when people apologize, but do so in such a way that makes it really other people's faults, and that they are just the victim if you really think about it, etc...

The links provide some useful context, though Raesh already said they need to audit the hunting grounds which is more useful than historical info from pre 3.0 (and whatever other tweaks were applied since those posts).

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/19/2013 08:23 AM CST

While a hunting area audit would be helpful, I can't help but wonder if it isn't just spawn mechanics and creature AI that need the tweaking.

It really boils down to two problems:

Problem #1
The problem that most people have is spread across every hunting ground. It's when a spot becomes trendy that the problem is uncovered.

Most areas work on a X*Y, with a limit of Z. That limit Z is supposedly in place to keep the sky from falling.

The problem is that as soon as X*Y>Z then each hunter gets less than Y creatures. If Y is less than the creature engagement cap then the problem gets worse even quicker.

Problem #2

In hunting areas that contain a lot of rooms (orcs/warcats, basilik, forest geni - to name a few) critters can spawn several rooms away (I've seen them using HUNT up to 5 rooms away, but this may be because they moved away from me after spawn).

If you are the only person in the area (reverse issue of #1) then you can be left standing in a room for several minutes before one decided to show up to the party. 2nd tier snow goblins (around 8 rooms?) has this problem.

In the short term #1 is the greater of two evils because #2 can be "band-aided" using HUNT and chasing them around.

While I don't completely understand the spawn mechanisms, to me it would make a lot of sense to vastly increase the Z variable (probably to Y*#of rooms in area) and make critters more likely to spawn in occupied rooms than non-occupied rooms.

If my general ideas are already the basics live in the system, then maybe it is a area by area audit that is need to 1) increase the Z, and 2) increase the % chance to spawn in an occupied room

Either way, while I can appreciate that no one wanted to work on it until after 3.0 and now that 3.0 is out there are balance issues, bugs, and what not this issue was not something that just appeared out of no where. And while I can appreciate that the sins of GMs past are really not the fault of the GMs present, there are "powers that be" that have been here since inception that could have made it a priority.

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/19/2013 08:34 AM CST

I'm well aware of those problems, which are some of what the system I have in proposals is designed to address.
-Raesh

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/19/2013 08:49 AM CST

>>I'm well aware of those problems, which are some of what the system I have in proposals is designed to address.
>>-Raesh

If someone wasn't taking 4 hour naps this could get fixed quicker. For shame Raesh, for shame.

On a more serious note, good job with everything but how about killing those damn pigs in the stomper area?

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/19/2013 08:57 AM CST

What if I gave them flame throwers instead?

-Raesh

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/19/2013 09:20 AM CST

It have to be some type of naphtha magical spurter and burner, to keep in genre, but I think it would be acceptable than.

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/19/2013 09:21 AM CST

You realize I'm going to have to somehow justify this creature to the bosses now, right?

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/19/2013 09:49 AM CST

Just write that Naphtha spell for Warrior Mages and give that to them.

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/19/2013 10:17 AM CST

>You realize I'm going to have to somehow justify this creature to the bosses now, right?

If you'd find it fun to do:

GO FOR IT!

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Re: Creature Spawn (big list of creatures with spawn issue) on 02/23/2013 04:31 PM CST

Just to again underline that Warklin need help

This area has 10 rooms, but cant seem to support more than two people hunting at once. I feel like this has been brought up a lot and fixing it would involve changing a variable from 7 (the maximum this area supports) to something more realistic like 14 (this area is hunted by a good number of people). I've been in a 4 exit room in the center for about 20 minutes waiting for a single spawn.

Hunt

To the down:
1) Raidusk
2) an armored warklin
3) a warklin mauler
4) a warklin mauler
5) an armored warklin

To the up, east, east:
6) Jarrix
7) a warklin mauler
8) an armored warklin

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