Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/20/2015 08:52 PM CDT
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Was there a stealth change to combat/creatures we weren't informed of? Or is this just a bug that will be corrected?

I've been hunting Geni for weeks with little to no problems. Today I'm getting destroyed by them. Yes I checked burden and armor is freshly repaired.

And then I start noticing they're now doing frost damage:

A silver glow blooms around you, laced with strands of white brilliance.
* Moving well, a forest geni claws savagely at you. You barely fail to block with arm greave. The claw lands a good hit that chills the left knee for a moment with a frosty blow.
[You're bruised, nimbly balanced with opponent in good position.]

A silver glow blooms around you, laced with strands of white brilliance.
* Moving well, a forest geni claws savagely at you. You barely fail to block with arm greave. The claw lands a good hit that chills the left knee for a moment with a frosty blow.
[You're bruised, nimbly balanced with opponent in good position.]
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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/20/2015 08:55 PM CDT
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Same thing with void moths, they are insane now.


An ephemeral light glows about you blunting the blow.
* Moving with great skill, a void-black umbral moth slices wide at you. You fail to evade.
The proboscis lands an extremely heavy hit that rips several frozen fingers from your frost-covered right hand, severely stunning you.
[You're badly hurt, winded, badly balanced with opponent dominating.]

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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/20/2015 08:59 PM CDT
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I think they always had it but there wasn't elemental damage messaging. I could be wrong though.

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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/20/2015 09:05 PM CDT
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No this is new, Ive been hunting them for a good while and they are just destroying me now. Usually takes me a few hours before I need a heal bad, but now its just bringing the hurt and they are showing chilling hits etc.

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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/20/2015 09:32 PM CDT
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Something changed with combat. Some creatures are suddenly hitting for elemental damage that do not have any sort of elemental attacks.

I got hit 3 times in a row earlier, knocked me down to 87%. Normally, 3 hits barely scratches 1%. Considering how far above void moths I am, that's a hell of a difference.



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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/20/2015 09:34 PM CDT
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My theory is that some recent change from test w/ elemental damage has leaked over to prime and is affecting combat calculations in strange ways.



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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/20/2015 09:42 PM CDT
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Weird, I was trying to figure out why wyvern attacks were triggering ES earlier. This explains it.



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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/20/2015 10:05 PM CDT
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This should be fixed now - I suspect it was the result of a crash or something (Since it was only in Prime and the code I'm 99% sure caused it hasn't changed in a long time). I'm looking into ways to make sure it doesn't reoccur.

-Raesh

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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/20/2015 10:07 PM CDT
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Thank you Raesh for looking into it so quickly! Nice catch and fix too.
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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/20/2015 10:07 PM CDT
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Oh good stuff, thanks Raesh!
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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/20/2015 10:55 PM CDT
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PS: I find it hilarious that this finally happened, almost certainly, due to a creature I coded nearly five years ago and while coding it realized this was the doomsday situation was possible when I did it to all of Dev. So I put proper safeguards because combat didn't properly account for what I was doing... and five years later it happened anyhow.

-Raesh

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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/21/2015 04:26 PM CDT
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<<PS: I find it hilarious that this finally happened, almost certainly, due to a creature I coded nearly five years ago and while coding it realized this was the doomsday situation was possible when I did it to all of Dev. So I put proper safeguards because combat didn't properly account for what I was doing... and five years later it happened anyhow.

Okay, who wants to flush this script out and get Keanu to star?

Rehlyn


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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/25/2015 02:28 PM CDT
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An ephemeral light glows about you blunting the blow.
* Moving with great skill, a void-black umbral moth snarls soundlessly and lunges at you. You attempt to dodge.
The proboscis lands a heavy strike that rips into the quadricep and extracts chunks of frozen flesh.
[You're very beat up, winded, badly balanced with opponent dominating.]



The elemental damage on moths is back and they are doing insane damage again :/



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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/25/2015 03:58 PM CDT
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::squint::

I rolled in a fix that should have made it impossible for that happen for more than one hit.

Are we seeing this with other creatures too? Or just moths specifically?

-Raesh

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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/25/2015 05:54 PM CDT
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I just went back to moths for round 2, they are not doing frost damage anymore and seem normal again.

About the other creatures besides moths, I'm not sure. Earlier a few friends were telling me drakes were hurting them bad out of nowhere and had to leave though.




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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/25/2015 07:09 PM CDT
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Just a little insight for if you see this again.

Prior to 3.0 the combat system wasn't really written with elemental damage in mind for brawling - though the weapons support it. So when nimbuses brawl (And I assume it's them based on the numbers and the lack of other creatures that do elemental damage) they set up the brawling system for cold damage and then clear it back out afterwards, since core combat doesn't.

This has worked for years... and now apparently it keeps breaking and isn't clearing out the cold damage 100% of the time, so certain other natural attacking creatures (depending on how they're configured) retain the cold damage that a nimbus should be doing on top of their normal damage... and nimbuses do a LOT of cold damage (Since they're so tiny they need to have a fairly scary weapon to present any threat at all).

Apparently the bandage I wrote wasn't live Prime (I thought I'd rolled it out last night, but Ricinus says otherwise and he's the one with code access right now, so I can't really dispute that :). He fixed it BTW). I've since thought of a better way to fix it which I'll look into later this week that should prevent it from getting out of sync at all - but I still have no idea why this is suddenly becoming a problem. My best guess is that someone is hunting nimbuses during the midnight lag/crashes we have lately or something changed in combat that is causing nimbuses to abort their attacks midway through execution. Please let me know if you're hunting nimbuses and seeing anything weird?

-Raesh

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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/28/2015 12:27 PM CDT
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The issue appears to have resurfaced again.



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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/28/2015 01:35 PM CDT
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Yup its back, seems like its a nasty bug. Don't seem to want to go away lol



An ephemeral light glows about you blunting the blow.
The air around you solidifies into a bright yellow glow and throws off bright waves of light as it resists the attack.
* Moving well, a void-black umbral moth swings at you. You attempt to dodge.
The shadowy tendril lands a good strike that chills skin and muscle as the stomach takes full force of the blow, lightly stunning you.
[You're battered, winded, badly balanced and opponent has slight advantage.]

S!R>
An ephemeral light glows about you blunting the blow.
The air around you solidifies into a bright yellow glow and throws off shimmering light in the wake of the attack.
* Moving with grace, a void-black umbral moth stabs at you. You attempt to dodge.
The proboscis lands a strong hit that rips free chunks of skin from your chest as the questing proboscis freezes to it.
[You're beat up, winded, very badly balanced with opponent overwhelming you.]
S!R>
An ephemeral light glows about you blunting the blow.
The air around you solidifies into a bright yellow glow, buckling and losing much of its mass under the force of the attack.
* Attacking forcefully, a void-black umbral moth stabs at you. You badly fail to block with a heavy haralun war lance embellished with gold and silver inlay.
The proboscis lands a solid hit that deeply chills the entire right bicep.
[You're very beat up, winded, very badly balanced with opponent overwhelming you.]



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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/28/2015 02:36 PM CDT
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Should be fixed again, maybe for good.

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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/28/2015 04:38 PM CDT
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I think this is just Raesh rolling it in to kill some players. He apparently enjoys killing us in new ways. :P
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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/28/2015 04:45 PM CDT
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I feel no pity.

-Raesh

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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 05/28/2015 07:13 PM CDT
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Now we need wyverns that breath frost instead of fire, and do ice damage on physical attacks as well...

A young wyvern lands an extremely heavy hit that rips into the quadricep and extracts chunks of frozen flesh.
A young wyvern lands an awesome strike that rips several frozen fingers from the wyvern's frost-covered right hand.
A young wyvern lands a powerful strike that freezes the right femur and sends spidery cracks throughout.



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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 06/08/2015 04:35 PM CDT
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The elemental damage is back again. This time it seems to have come back in moths and also in warklins.


My Paladins point of view

An ephemeral light glows about you blunting the blow.
The air around you solidifies into a bright yellow glow, losing most of its mass under the force of the attack.
* Moving well, a void-black umbral moth stabs at you. You fail to dodge.
The proboscis lands a good strike that deeply chilling the entire left bicep.
[You're bruised, winded, solidly balanced with opponent in strong position.]


From my Thiefs point of view

* Timing it well, a warklin mauler twists its torso wildly, thrusting its impalers at you. You fail to evade.
The impaler lands a hard hit that chills skin and muscle as the stomach takes full force of the blow, lightly stunning you.
[You're beat up, winded, badly balanced with opponent in excellent position.]





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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 06/08/2015 04:40 PM CDT
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I too am getting absolutely CRUNCHED in moths.

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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 06/08/2015 04:40 PM CDT
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I too am getting absolutely CRUNCHED in moths.

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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 06/08/2015 04:41 PM CDT
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Here...here's one more


"With strength, an armored warklin lunges with its razorlike mandibles at Aayveia. Aayveia fails to dodge. The mandibles lands a very heavy hit that shatters the right arm into frozen ice shards!"
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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 06/08/2015 05:14 PM CDT
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/facepalm

Why won't this bug die???

And, no, I won't be anywhere that I can fix it for at least the next five hours. If you report IG there might be someone online who can fix it however.

-Raesh

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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 06/08/2015 09:41 PM CDT
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Oh thicket vipers have it now too.


* Moving well, a giant thicket viper slices wide at you. You badly fail to parry with a kertig hurling axe. The fangs lands a good hit that painfully numbs the left arm.
[You're hurt, adeptly balanced and in better position.]

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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 06/09/2015 12:11 AM CDT
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Yeah - the bug gets all the natural attack creatures in the game.

It should be fixed. Again.

For good this time.

I swear.

-Raesh

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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 06/09/2015 12:42 AM CDT
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<<It should be fixed. Again.
<<For good this time.
<<I swear.

I'm pretty sure you've flung those exact words around a handful of times about another whack-a-mole style bug that's still storming it's way through the realms.



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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 06/09/2015 12:43 AM CDT
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(A joke, in case it wasn't apparent.)



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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 06/09/2015 12:49 AM CDT
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Thank you Raesh!


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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 06/09/2015 01:26 AM CDT
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>>I'm pretty sure you've flung those exact words around a handful of times about another whack-a-mole style bug that's still storming it's way through the realms.

Hmm. No, I think it was in reference to this bug.

Unless it has to do with TKT. In which case I cannot properly express my feelings for that spell without getting my post pulled.

-Raesh

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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 06/09/2015 02:36 PM CDT
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This is what happens when you try to come up with new ways to kill us all, Raesh.
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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 06/09/2015 08:14 PM CDT
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I found it pretty amusing..
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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 06/13/2015 07:39 AM CDT
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>>Hmm. No, I think it was in reference to this bug.
>>Unless it has to do with TKT. In which case I cannot properly express my feelings for that spell without getting my post pulled.

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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 06/23/2015 06:46 PM CDT
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Could've just labeled it an 'exciting new feature' instead of a 'bug' and be done with it.

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Re: Since when did creatures get elemental damage? on 09/12/2015 03:30 PM CDT
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Raesh, I think it's about time for this bug to 'pop up by accident' again. ;-)
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