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Delay - What does this do exactly? Is there any IG explanation of what it does? I can't seem to find anything.
Clout - I didn't notice any messaging for when it wears off. Any chance something could be added?
Teaching magic - Now that we can actually train magic skills would it be possible for us to teach them now?
Combos - Could we get some sort of IG list of the combos, which khri they contain, and what the added effects are?
Combos - I think I liked it better when trying to start a combo would fail if you didn't know one of the khri or were still in downtime rather than starting the other khri in the combo. Could it be switched back?
Speed - What is the added effect of speed 3.1? I can't really tell from the messaging. Also, why plunder instead of elusion or focus? I'm not following how that fits the concept.
Cunning - This seems like kind of an oddball. Most of the khri combos make some sense for when they're supposed to be used but I'm having trouble figuring this one out. Personally I'd rather see it as a full debilitation combo. Plunder (for disc boost), guile, prowess with added effect of boost to charisma and debilitation (tactics would be cool too, or instead).
~Engineer Ascot Ryuzzaki, Bonecutter of M'riss
>>Delay - What does this do exactly?
It allows you to get a little more oomph out of the ability by not starting it instantaneously.
>> Is there any IG explanation of what it does?
There is now. Just type KHRI DELAY.
>>Clout - I didn't notice any messaging for when it wears off.
Ok, I've got some added.
>>Teaching magic - Now that we can actually train magic skills would it be possible for us to teach them now?
Should be, I'll talk to some folks.
>>Combos - Could we get some sort of IG list of the combos, which khri they contain, and what the added effects are?
Was there ever something like this before?
>>Combos - I think I liked it better when trying to start a combo would fail
Probably not, the new framework doesn't spend a lot of time predicting what's going to happen before it happens.
>>Speed - What is the added effect of speed 3.1? I can't really tell from the messaging.
Not gonna tell, because it's more fun to find out on your own.
>> Also, why plunder instead of elusion or focus? I'm not following how that fits the concept.
It fits the concept pretty well I think. But until you know what it does, I can understand the confusion.
FGM Ricinus
Logistics Lead
Magic, Sentients Team Member
Cleric Advocate
It allows you to get a little more oomph out of the ability by not starting it instantaneously.
>> Is there any IG explanation of what it does?
There is now. Just type KHRI DELAY.
>>Clout - I didn't notice any messaging for when it wears off.
Ok, I've got some added.
>>Teaching magic - Now that we can actually train magic skills would it be possible for us to teach them now?
Should be, I'll talk to some folks.
>>Combos - Could we get some sort of IG list of the combos, which khri they contain, and what the added effects are?
Was there ever something like this before?
>>Combos - I think I liked it better when trying to start a combo would fail
Probably not, the new framework doesn't spend a lot of time predicting what's going to happen before it happens.
>>Speed - What is the added effect of speed 3.1? I can't really tell from the messaging.
Not gonna tell, because it's more fun to find out on your own.
>> Also, why plunder instead of elusion or focus? I'm not following how that fits the concept.
It fits the concept pretty well I think. But until you know what it does, I can understand the confusion.
FGM Ricinus
Logistics Lead
Magic, Sentients Team Member
Cleric Advocate
Since combos were brought up, I don't really see how serenity and sagacity relate to the Prescience combo. What if prowess was in it instead? Maybe if the thief was more imposing judges would be more likey to believe that they're innocent; no one believes people that sound uncertain.
Silence, prowess, and serenity or sagacity seem like a good combo too; invisible, intimidating, and resistant. I don't know what the effect would be, but it sounds cool.
Is the anti-locate/familiar ability gone, or did I just not find it yet?
Why does elusion, serenity, and shadowstep have circle reqs? Isn't the skill req to start the combo is enough of a restriction without being unable to pick the khri themselves. I think shadowstep could come in handy before 50th even without the ability to use skulk.
And one more thing: flight only gets up to solidly balanced. Any way that could be increases to nimble? It's just kind of weak.
Silence, prowess, and serenity or sagacity seem like a good combo too; invisible, intimidating, and resistant. I don't know what the effect would be, but it sounds cool.
Is the anti-locate/familiar ability gone, or did I just not find it yet?
Why does elusion, serenity, and shadowstep have circle reqs? Isn't the skill req to start the combo is enough of a restriction without being unable to pick the khri themselves. I think shadowstep could come in handy before 50th even without the ability to use skulk.
And one more thing: flight only gets up to solidly balanced. Any way that could be increases to nimble? It's just kind of weak.
<<An opponent who rivals you in defensive skill will take barely any extra damage from 1 single attack due to barriers and the way defenses/damage is calculated, armor vs armorless only shows through when you outclass the person. The armor reduction just serves as a way to pick on people easier.>>
I would suggest a tweak to address his concern, make eliminate ignore armor and damage barriers. Ignoring armor is a monster advantage, but he's right that it can be mitigated somewhat by a damage barrier. Given the purpose of the ability, which is to hit very, very hard, but once, I think it should bypass that.
If you make it a generic boost to damage, you're going to be worse off in the long run. Frankly, if you're getting off many multiple backstabs on someone, you were going to get them without any eliminate help. On the other hand, the ability to bypass armor and a damage barrier will let you kill UP the chain. Just my take though, whatever thieves think best.
I'd love to try eliminate, slash, cleave.
I would suggest a tweak to address his concern, make eliminate ignore armor and damage barriers. Ignoring armor is a monster advantage, but he's right that it can be mitigated somewhat by a damage barrier. Given the purpose of the ability, which is to hit very, very hard, but once, I think it should bypass that.
If you make it a generic boost to damage, you're going to be worse off in the long run. Frankly, if you're getting off many multiple backstabs on someone, you were going to get them without any eliminate help. On the other hand, the ability to bypass armor and a damage barrier will let you kill UP the chain. Just my take though, whatever thieves think best.
I'd love to try eliminate, slash, cleave.
>>Combos - Could we get some sort of IG list of the combos, which khri they contain, and what the added effects are?
>>Was there ever something like this before?
No, we always had to go to either Elanthipedia, the forums, or just PAFO for that info. I figured now might be a good time to add something.
~Engineer Ascot Ryuzzaki, Bonecutter of M'riss
>>Was there ever something like this before?
No, we always had to go to either Elanthipedia, the forums, or just PAFO for that info. I figured now might be a good time to add something.
~Engineer Ascot Ryuzzaki, Bonecutter of M'riss
>>No, we always had to go to either Elanthipedia, the forums, or just PAFO for that info. I figured now might be a good time to add something.
I just built a script for this awhile back and updated it with the current abilities. I have it spaced like the ingame output in the script, but that doesn't show through on the forums for some reason.
echo - Subtlety:
echo
echo Darken (Augmentation) - Stealth boost.
echo |-- Dampen (Augmentation) - Stealth hinderance reduction.
echo | |-- Shadowstep (Utility) - Quick engagement through the shadows.
echo | |-- Sensing (Utility) - See different directions.
echo |
echo |-- Strike (Augmentation) - Backstab and melee weapon boost.
echo |
echo |-- Silence (Utility) - Pulsing Invisibility.
echo | |-- Vanish [S] (Utility)- Disengage into innvisibility.
echo
echo - Finesse:
echo
echo Hasten (Utility) - Chance for RT reduction on attacks.
echo |-- Safe (Augmentation) - Locksmithing boost.
echo |
echo |-- Avoidance (Augmentation) - Reflex boost.
echo | |-- Flight (Augmentation) - Athletics and pulsing balance boost.
echo | |-- Elusion (Augmentation) - Evasion and brawling boost.
echo | |-- Liberation [S] (Utility) - Pulsing web/immobilize breaker.
echo |
echo |-- Plunder (Augmentation) - Discipline and thievery boost.
echo | |-- Guile (Debilitation) - AOE pulsing evasion debuff (engaged) Charm vs Will.
echo
echo - Potence:
echo
echo Focus (Augmentation) - Agility boost.
echo |-- Sight (Augmentation) - Perception boost, see in the dark.
echo |
echo |-- Prowess (Debilitation) - AOE pulsing reflex and tactics debuff (engaged) Fear vs Will when hidden, Power vs Will otherwise.
echo | |-- Steady (Augmentation) - Bow/XBow boost.
echo | |-- Eliminate [S] (Debilitation) - Brief (like 5 seconds) no shield and no armor debuff.
echo |
echo |-- Calm (Utility) - Self dispel.
echo | |-- Serenity [S] (Utility) - SvS barrier vs Will.
echo | |-- Sagacity [S] (Utility) - Physical damage ward.
echo
echo Combinations
echo Secure - Focus/Safe/Sight - Additional chance not to blow a box.
echo Speed - Avoidance/Plunder/Flight - chance to return thrown weapons back to attacker
echo Spar - Strike/Steady/Elusion - Thrown weapons boost.
echo Skulk - Darken/Dampen/Shadowstep - 0 second sneak in urban areas, +nolocate.
echo Prescience - Sensing/Serenity/Sagacity - Passive spot, additional guard avoidance/justice bonus.
echo Cunning - Hasten/Guile/Liberation - Charisma/Tactics boost
echo
echo [KHRI {START|DELAY|STOP} {khri1} {khri2} {khri3} {khri4} {khri5} {khri6} {khri7}]
echo You can also KHRI MEDITATE to focus your training of khri skills.
Sometimes I like opening moongates in crowded areas just to watch all the people look through them. It's like watching Pavlov's dogs and the dinner bell.
Lyzalian Farscribe
I just built a script for this awhile back and updated it with the current abilities. I have it spaced like the ingame output in the script, but that doesn't show through on the forums for some reason.
echo - Subtlety:
echo
echo Darken (Augmentation) - Stealth boost.
echo |-- Dampen (Augmentation) - Stealth hinderance reduction.
echo | |-- Shadowstep (Utility) - Quick engagement through the shadows.
echo | |-- Sensing (Utility) - See different directions.
echo |
echo |-- Strike (Augmentation) - Backstab and melee weapon boost.
echo |
echo |-- Silence (Utility) - Pulsing Invisibility.
echo | |-- Vanish [S] (Utility)- Disengage into innvisibility.
echo
echo - Finesse:
echo
echo Hasten (Utility) - Chance for RT reduction on attacks.
echo |-- Safe (Augmentation) - Locksmithing boost.
echo |
echo |-- Avoidance (Augmentation) - Reflex boost.
echo | |-- Flight (Augmentation) - Athletics and pulsing balance boost.
echo | |-- Elusion (Augmentation) - Evasion and brawling boost.
echo | |-- Liberation [S] (Utility) - Pulsing web/immobilize breaker.
echo |
echo |-- Plunder (Augmentation) - Discipline and thievery boost.
echo | |-- Guile (Debilitation) - AOE pulsing evasion debuff (engaged) Charm vs Will.
echo
echo - Potence:
echo
echo Focus (Augmentation) - Agility boost.
echo |-- Sight (Augmentation) - Perception boost, see in the dark.
echo |
echo |-- Prowess (Debilitation) - AOE pulsing reflex and tactics debuff (engaged) Fear vs Will when hidden, Power vs Will otherwise.
echo | |-- Steady (Augmentation) - Bow/XBow boost.
echo | |-- Eliminate [S] (Debilitation) - Brief (like 5 seconds) no shield and no armor debuff.
echo |
echo |-- Calm (Utility) - Self dispel.
echo | |-- Serenity [S] (Utility) - SvS barrier vs Will.
echo | |-- Sagacity [S] (Utility) - Physical damage ward.
echo
echo Combinations
echo Secure - Focus/Safe/Sight - Additional chance not to blow a box.
echo Speed - Avoidance/Plunder/Flight - chance to return thrown weapons back to attacker
echo Spar - Strike/Steady/Elusion - Thrown weapons boost.
echo Skulk - Darken/Dampen/Shadowstep - 0 second sneak in urban areas, +nolocate.
echo Prescience - Sensing/Serenity/Sagacity - Passive spot, additional guard avoidance/justice bonus.
echo Cunning - Hasten/Guile/Liberation - Charisma/Tactics boost
echo
echo [KHRI {START|DELAY|STOP} {khri1} {khri2} {khri3} {khri4} {khri5} {khri6} {khri7}]
echo You can also KHRI MEDITATE to focus your training of khri skills.
Sometimes I like opening moongates in crowded areas just to watch all the people look through them. It's like watching Pavlov's dogs and the dinner bell.
Lyzalian Farscribe
Ok, the khri list will remind you of the combo names, and what the parts are. If I put anything in game about what each combo does it'll probably be somewhere else, but at least the basics are where a new player might come across it.
FGM Ricinus
Logistics Lead
Magic, Sentients Team Member
Cleric Advocate
FGM Ricinus
Logistics Lead
Magic, Sentients Team Member
Cleric Advocate
Just thought i'd ask as I went to ratha the other day to look at something and went to enter the guild causing me to die for the first time in months.
Will those of us that are big enough to have every khri available be ported in to the guilds to get them if need be?
Being killed when trying to enter a guild to get abilities we already had will suck.
Even though my rep said they hadn't taken any notice of me or whatever that message is I cant remember, I still got killed.
If advice was any good, they wouldn't give it out for free.
Will those of us that are big enough to have every khri available be ported in to the guilds to get them if need be?
Being killed when trying to enter a guild to get abilities we already had will suck.
Even though my rep said they hadn't taken any notice of me or whatever that message is I cant remember, I still got killed.
If advice was any good, they wouldn't give it out for free.
> Just thought i'd ask as I went to ratha the other day to look at something and went to enter the guild causing me to die for the first time in months.
The same thing happened to me getting into the haven thieves guild, for crossing rep. I never even hung out in haven/theren, let alone stole there.
I think reputation effects are spilling out from one territory to another in many places, though im unsure if this is intentional or bug.
Maybe an NPC who can teach all thief khris could be posted somewhere in crossing for the first few weeks after 3.1 goes live to prevent needless death and frustration.
The same thing happened to me getting into the haven thieves guild, for crossing rep. I never even hung out in haven/theren, let alone stole there.
I think reputation effects are spilling out from one territory to another in many places, though im unsure if this is intentional or bug.
Maybe an NPC who can teach all thief khris could be posted somewhere in crossing for the first few weeks after 3.1 goes live to prevent needless death and frustration.
ooor, since you know it'll be live pretty soon...start doing tasks in whatever province it is that's gettin ya killed/beat up to try and fix your rep there.
Exceptions like possible bugginess like you maybe described aside, the entire point of the rep system is that you get your abilities taught if you're maintaining a good one, you don't if you aren't.
Don't get me wrong though, I didn't like it much when I couldn't get into a guild for about a year or two either and couldn't learn new Khri's, but I fixed that with patience and no task system to help me out. You've got an advantage I didn't have at that time. Take it.
Maybe I'm all kermudgen-like or whatever, but you have time to try to fix it before this goes live and if you aren't trying to do anything about it yourself, why should the GM's fix that for you? I hope you or anyone in this situation are doing tasks though :). If you actually are bugged though, like I said, that'd be an exception I think.
Blackguard Danoryiel
"Sogan udazama umbunor fau arrazoi inishatu seiremisai. (Only the fallen have nothing to despair)"
Exceptions like possible bugginess like you maybe described aside, the entire point of the rep system is that you get your abilities taught if you're maintaining a good one, you don't if you aren't.
Don't get me wrong though, I didn't like it much when I couldn't get into a guild for about a year or two either and couldn't learn new Khri's, but I fixed that with patience and no task system to help me out. You've got an advantage I didn't have at that time. Take it.
Maybe I'm all kermudgen-like or whatever, but you have time to try to fix it before this goes live and if you aren't trying to do anything about it yourself, why should the GM's fix that for you? I hope you or anyone in this situation are doing tasks though :). If you actually are bugged though, like I said, that'd be an exception I think.
Blackguard Danoryiel
"Sogan udazama umbunor fau arrazoi inishatu seiremisai. (Only the fallen have nothing to despair)"
<< Being killed when trying to enter a guild to get abilities we already had will suck.
It's a pretty stupid mechanic to begin with but i don't think fixing it is currently on the agenda. I could be wrong but how ironic is it that we're the only guild that's penalized for stealing and we're the thieves. These days if you run into a thief, it's more likely that it will be a moon mage or a ranger. It causes us to be locked out of our core abilities on which we depend on for training our main abilities, which is completely unjustified. I think this whole concept needs to be reconsidered
It's a pretty stupid mechanic to begin with but i don't think fixing it is currently on the agenda. I could be wrong but how ironic is it that we're the only guild that's penalized for stealing and we're the thieves. These days if you run into a thief, it's more likely that it will be a moon mage or a ranger. It causes us to be locked out of our core abilities on which we depend on for training our main abilities, which is completely unjustified. I think this whole concept needs to be reconsidered
>I've actually been meaning to add that in as well. It's there now.
Thanks you. I noticed one thing odd about it; it says that it adjusted my slot count, but it didn't display the correct value until the next time I entered KHRI:
There was an error with your khri slot count, it has been adjusted.
You have 3 remaining khri slots.
next time:
You have 2 remaining khri slots.
And for some bizarre reason my slips aren't working. They were working in test a couple of days ago when I tanked my confidence, but now that it's back I still can't slip. It's like I unlearned them when my confidence dropped or something.
Thanks you. I noticed one thing odd about it; it says that it adjusted my slot count, but it didn't display the correct value until the next time I entered KHRI:
There was an error with your khri slot count, it has been adjusted.
You have 3 remaining khri slots.
next time:
You have 2 remaining khri slots.
And for some bizarre reason my slips aren't working. They were working in test a couple of days ago when I tanked my confidence, but now that it's back I still can't slip. It's like I unlearned them when my confidence dropped or something.
>The same thing happened to me getting into the haven thieves guild, for crossing rep. I never even hung out in haven/theren, let alone stole there.
>I think reputation effects are spilling out from one territory to another in many places, though im unsure if this is intentional or bug.
There's some sort of bug in Test causing people to randomly have a tanked rep in different provinces. I've never done anything to drop my rep below neutral in Shard and I got thugged in Test for walking into one of the passages.
~Engineer Ascot Ryuzzaki, Bonecutter of M'riss
>I think reputation effects are spilling out from one territory to another in many places, though im unsure if this is intentional or bug.
There's some sort of bug in Test causing people to randomly have a tanked rep in different provinces. I've never done anything to drop my rep below neutral in Shard and I got thugged in Test for walking into one of the passages.
~Engineer Ascot Ryuzzaki, Bonecutter of M'riss
