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Thief 3.x No longer on Preview on 12/17/2013 11:18 PM CST
Re: Thief 3.x No longer on Preview on 12/18/2013 12:16 AM CST
Re: Thief 3.x No longer on Preview on 12/18/2013 01:57 AM CST
Well, I was able to learn the khri from the guildleaders sort of, keep reading...
Kalag still does not tell people he teaches Sagacity
>"I can describe or teach you any khri from the Potency tree. Those would be Focus, Sight, Prowess, Calm, Steady, Serenity, and Eliminate."
He should probably mention Sagacity in there.
But more pressingly I cant use any of my khri now and Kalag won't teach me Sagacity because I "don't" know spar.
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> khri
You know how to focus your mind in the following ways...
- Subtlety:
Darken (Aug)
|-- Dampen (Util)
| |-- Shadowstep (Util)
| |-- Sensing (Util)
|
|-- Strike (Aug)
|
|-- Silence (Util)
|-- Vanish (Util)
- Finesse:
Hasten (Util)
|-- Safe (Aug)
|
|-- Avoidance (Aug)
| |-- Flight (Aug)
| |-- Elusion (Aug)
| |-- Liberation (Util)
|
|-- Plunder (Aug)
|-- Guile (Debil)
- Potence:
Focus (Aug)
|-- Sight (Aug)
|
|-- Prowess (Debil)
| |-- Steady (Aug)
| |-- Eliminate (Debil)
|
|-- Calm (Util)
|-- Serenity (Util)
> khri start dark
You are not trained in the Darken meditation.
> khri start damp
You are not trained in the Dampen meditation.
> khri start shadow
You are not trained in the Shadowstep meditation.
> khri start sens
You are not trained in the Sensing meditation.
> khri start strike
You are not trained in the Strike meditation.
> khri start sil
You are not trained in the Silence meditation.
> khri start van
You are not trained in the Vanish meditation.
> khri start hasten
You are not trained in the Hasten meditation.
> khri start safe
You are not trained in the Safe meditation.
> khri start avoid
You are not trained in the Avoidance meditation.
> khri start flight
You are not trained in the Flight meditation.
> khri start elus
You are not trained in the Elusion meditation.
> khri start lib
You are not trained in the Liberation meditation.
> khri start plunder
You are not trained in the Plunder meditation.
> khri start guile
You are not trained in the Guile meditation.
> khri start focus
You are not trained in the Focus meditation.
> khri start sight
You are not trained in the Sight meditation.
> khri start pro
You are not trained in the Prowess meditation.
> khri start steady
You are not trained in the Steady meditation.
> khri start elim
You are not trained in the Eliminate meditation.
> khri start calm
You are not trained in the Calm meditation.
> khri start seren
You are not trained in the Serenity meditation.
> khri start spar
You are not trained in the Strike meditation.
You are not trained in the Steady meditation.
You are not trained in the Elusion meditation.
> ask kalag about saga choose
Kalag the Sly shakes his head. "You are not prepared to learn this meditation at this time. You must already grasp the Spar meditation before I will teach it to you."
Re: Thief 3.x No longer on Preview on 12/18/2013 02:27 AM CST
Re: Thief 3.x No longer on Preview on 12/18/2013 08:17 AM CST
It looks like I learned Sagacity by default.
- Subtlety:
Darken (Aug)
|
|-- Strike (Aug)
|
- Finesse:
Hasten (Util)
|-- Safe (Aug)
|
|-- Avoidance (Aug)
| |-- Flight (Aug)
|
|-- Plunder (Aug)
- Potence:
Focus (Aug)
|-- Sight (Aug)
|
|-- Prowess (Debil)
| |-- Steady (Aug)
|
|-- Sagacity (Util)
[KHRI {START|DELAY|STOP} {khri1} {khri2} {khri3} {khri4} {khri5} {khri6} {khri7}]
You can also KHRI MEDITATE to focus your training of khri skills.
Was just noticing as I was jumping around picking up Khri. I never selected it, and don't have Serenity/calm either (yet). Not sure if the reqs changed or what.
- Subtlety:
Darken (Aug)
|
|-- Strike (Aug)
|
- Finesse:
Hasten (Util)
|-- Safe (Aug)
|
|-- Avoidance (Aug)
| |-- Flight (Aug)
|
|-- Plunder (Aug)
- Potence:
Focus (Aug)
|-- Sight (Aug)
|
|-- Prowess (Debil)
| |-- Steady (Aug)
|
|-- Sagacity (Util)
[KHRI {START|DELAY|STOP} {khri1} {khri2} {khri3} {khri4} {khri5} {khri6} {khri7}]
You can also KHRI MEDITATE to focus your training of khri skills.
Was just noticing as I was jumping around picking up Khri. I never selected it, and don't have Serenity/calm either (yet). Not sure if the reqs changed or what.
Re: Thief 3.x No longer on Preview on 12/18/2013 08:23 AM CST
It looks like Sagacity would of been gifted as well, as the unlearn did not give me an additional slot.
> ask ivi for khri
Ivitha gets a serious look on her face, "Our most powerful tools by far, *. Never forget or underestimate the power total discipline and control over one's very self gives you."
Ivitha pauses, "I can describe or teach you any khri from the Finesse tree. Those are Hasten, Avoidance, Safe, Plunder, Guile, Flight, Liberation, and Elusion."
Ivitha adds, "You are eligible to learn 6 more khri, but remember to check what the other leaders have to offer as well."
['ASK Ivitha ABOUT (KHRI)' to hear about a khri, 'ASK Ivitha ABOUT (KHRI) CHOOSE' to learn.]
['ASK Ivitha ABOUT (KHRI) UNLEARN' to forget a khri you already know. Once per 30 days.]
>
Your strong sense of survival fades, leaving you feeling unsure of what to do if you are attacked. (sagacity falling off).
>
> ask ivith about sagacity unlearn
Ivitha smiles and says, "Though I am very familiar with that particular khri, it is not one that I teach. The knowledge you seek should be sought elsewhere."
Ivitha says, "Well, if that is what you want. Step over this way, I'll need a little bit of room."
Ivitha leads you to a quiet corner and instructs you to close your eyes and begin focusing on the meditation you've learned. She waits until your breathing steadies, then clubs you soundly across the back of the head. Ivitha repeats this process a number of times until you are unable to focus fully on the meditation. Sighing softly Ivitha says, "Don't expect me to help you with this process too often." With that she turns and walks away.
[You no longer have access to khri Sagacity]
> ask ivi for khri
Ivitha gets a serious look on her face, "Our most powerful tools by far, *. Never forget or underestimate the power total discipline and control over one's very self gives you."
Ivitha pauses, "I can describe or teach you any khri from the Finesse tree. Those are Hasten, Avoidance, Safe, Plunder, Guile, Flight, Liberation, and Elusion."
Ivitha adds, "You are eligible to learn 6 more khri, but remember to check what the other leaders have to offer as well."
['ASK Ivitha ABOUT (KHRI)' to hear about a khri, 'ASK Ivitha ABOUT (KHRI) CHOOSE' to learn.]
['ASK Ivitha ABOUT (KHRI) UNLEARN' to forget a khri you already know. Once per 30 days.]
>
> ask ivi for khri
Ivitha gets a serious look on her face, "Our most powerful tools by far, *. Never forget or underestimate the power total discipline and control over one's very self gives you."
Ivitha pauses, "I can describe or teach you any khri from the Finesse tree. Those are Hasten, Avoidance, Safe, Plunder, Guile, Flight, Liberation, and Elusion."
Ivitha adds, "You are eligible to learn 6 more khri, but remember to check what the other leaders have to offer as well."
['ASK Ivitha ABOUT (KHRI)' to hear about a khri, 'ASK Ivitha ABOUT (KHRI) CHOOSE' to learn.]
['ASK Ivitha ABOUT (KHRI) UNLEARN' to forget a khri you already know. Once per 30 days.]
>
Your strong sense of survival fades, leaving you feeling unsure of what to do if you are attacked. (sagacity falling off).
>
> ask ivith about sagacity unlearn
Ivitha smiles and says, "Though I am very familiar with that particular khri, it is not one that I teach. The knowledge you seek should be sought elsewhere."
Ivitha says, "Well, if that is what you want. Step over this way, I'll need a little bit of room."
Ivitha leads you to a quiet corner and instructs you to close your eyes and begin focusing on the meditation you've learned. She waits until your breathing steadies, then clubs you soundly across the back of the head. Ivitha repeats this process a number of times until you are unable to focus fully on the meditation. Sighing softly Ivitha says, "Don't expect me to help you with this process too often." With that she turns and walks away.
[You no longer have access to khri Sagacity]
> ask ivi for khri
Ivitha gets a serious look on her face, "Our most powerful tools by far, *. Never forget or underestimate the power total discipline and control over one's very self gives you."
Ivitha pauses, "I can describe or teach you any khri from the Finesse tree. Those are Hasten, Avoidance, Safe, Plunder, Guile, Flight, Liberation, and Elusion."
Ivitha adds, "You are eligible to learn 6 more khri, but remember to check what the other leaders have to offer as well."
['ASK Ivitha ABOUT (KHRI)' to hear about a khri, 'ASK Ivitha ABOUT (KHRI) CHOOSE' to learn.]
['ASK Ivitha ABOUT (KHRI) UNLEARN' to forget a khri you already know. Once per 30 days.]
>
Re: Thief 3.x No longer on Preview on 12/18/2013 11:52 AM CST
It looks like Sagacity wasn't wiped during the first log in, so that's why you already had it. Ivitha shouldn't be letting you unlearn Potence khri, which you may notice from the first two lines, but the GLs were skipping past the denial and doing the messaging for the removal anyways, but not actually removing anything. Should be fixed now.
FGM Ricinus
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Magic, Sentients Team Member
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FGM Ricinus
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Magic, Sentients Team Member
Cleric Advocate
Re: Thief 3.x No longer on Preview on 12/18/2013 12:30 PM CST
Re: Thief 3.x No longer on Preview on 12/18/2013 04:33 PM CST
Not sure how or if this is related, but I didn't notice it until I re-learned my khri but strike isn't giving its backstab boost.
R> khri check
You are under the influence of the Strike meditation, which should last around 30 roisaen.
You are under the influence of the Elusion meditation, which should last around 26 roisaen.
You are under the influence of the Hasten meditation, which should last around 30 roisaen.
You are under the influence of the Avoidance meditation, which should last around 30 roisaen.
You are under the influence of the Guile meditation, which should last around 9 roisaen.
You are under the influence of the Prowess meditation, which should last around 9 roisaen.
You are under the influence of the Focus meditation, which should last around 30 roisaen.
You are under the influence of the Steady meditation, which should last around 32 roisaen.
You are under the influence of the Dampen meditation, which should last around 39 roisaen.
You are under the influence of the Darken meditation, which should last around 39 roisaen.
You feel able to spar with any foe, which will vanish when any pillar supporting it does.
R> exp mods
The following skills are currently under the influence of a modifier:
+ Small Edged
+ Bow
+ Crossbow
+ Light Thrown
+ Heavy Thrown
+ Brawling
+ Evasion
+ Stealth
Re: Thief 3.x No longer on Preview on 12/18/2013 07:03 PM CST
Re: Thief 3.x No longer on Preview on 12/18/2013 08:08 PM CST
Re: Thief 3.x No longer on Preview on 12/18/2013 08:09 PM CST
>Just wondering why it says that bow, xbow, lt and ht are boosted? Is that just a ranged weapon skill boost on one of the khri's? I'm pretty thief retarded having never played one, but was just wondering why slings wasn't on there.
Spar - Strike/Steady/Elusion - Thrown weapons boost.
Steady - Bow/XBow boost.
So, no slings boost.
Kinda wish we did have one, since it is a snipe-able weapon but oh well.
Re: Thief 3.x No longer on Preview on 12/18/2013 08:35 PM CST
Re: Thief 3.x No longer on Preview on 12/18/2013 08:57 PM CST
Re: Thief 3.x No longer on Preview on 12/18/2013 08:58 PM CST
Re: Thief 3.x No longer on Preview on 12/18/2013 09:44 PM CST
>Things I say in chatter tend to be tongue-in-cheek at best, and should not be confused with policy.
So does that mean slings can't be boosted? If so, it would be appreciated. The weapongroup is pretty crap enough as is, and it makes no sense to burn people playing it even more.
I say this as someone who uses LT, LX, and sling.
So does that mean slings can't be boosted? If so, it would be appreciated. The weapongroup is pretty crap enough as is, and it makes no sense to burn people playing it even more.
I say this as someone who uses LT, LX, and sling.
Re: Thief 3.x No longer on Preview on 12/18/2013 10:44 PM CST
I'm not sure why we've moved from things I said half-jokingly to things I never said. Especially regarding something that is pretty easy to verify isn't even true.
khri start strike
You calm your body and mind, recalling your training on how to seek the vital part of any opponent. Wrapping yourself in this cool composure, your eyes quickly become drawn to exposed weaknesses around you.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
>exp mods
The following skills are currently under the influence of a modifier:
+ Backstab
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khri start strike
You calm your body and mind, recalling your training on how to seek the vital part of any opponent. Wrapping yourself in this cool composure, your eyes quickly become drawn to exposed weaknesses around you.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
>exp mods
The following skills are currently under the influence of a modifier:
+ Backstab
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Re: Thief 3.x No longer on Preview on 12/18/2013 10:57 PM CST