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Is this against policy? I don't know if I would do this a lot but an empath was looking for patients one time and I was wondering about this.
I guess, taken to the extreme, you could have two players dueling constantly, or one moonmage incinerating himself through bad teleports to create a lot of wounds. Would this be against some policy?
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Yes, but all you'd have to do is suggest you were training or attempting to push for something else, or practicing PvP or whatever else as some alternative for why your working on this stuff, and just happen to be coming up with a lot of wounds for empaths.
But no you shouldn't be doing those things for that effort.
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But no you shouldn't be doing those things for that effort.
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<<Yes, but all you'd have to do is suggest you were training or attempting to push for something else, or practicing PvP or whatever else as some alternative for why your working on this stuff, and just happen to be coming up with a lot of wounds for empaths.
The GMs do have access to various logs, which I believe includes things like gweth conversations at the very least and possibly things people say. So if you're going to be attempting this deception then I wouldn't chat about it.
Shady policy line-walking aside, I have never heard of anyone actually being punished for this except when it was done at extreme levels. E.g. rolling up a noob moon mage and repeatedly mis-firing a teleport over and over solely for the purpose off unlimited empathy experience. Definitely don't do that.
I.e. it's not the easiest to enforce due to grey areas, nor is it particularly worth the effort unless it is clearly breaking the rules. I wouldn't bother to do it personally, primarily because Empathy is quite easy to train these days via maniupulate, health walking, and so on after you pass the lowbie hurdle. Play the game, don't game your play.
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The GMs do have access to various logs, which I believe includes things like gweth conversations at the very least and possibly things people say. So if you're going to be attempting this deception then I wouldn't chat about it.
Shady policy line-walking aside, I have never heard of anyone actually being punished for this except when it was done at extreme levels. E.g. rolling up a noob moon mage and repeatedly mis-firing a teleport over and over solely for the purpose off unlimited empathy experience. Definitely don't do that.
I.e. it's not the easiest to enforce due to grey areas, nor is it particularly worth the effort unless it is clearly breaking the rules. I wouldn't bother to do it personally, primarily because Empathy is quite easy to train these days via maniupulate, health walking, and so on after you pass the lowbie hurdle. Play the game, don't game your play.
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It has been said in the past that manufacturing wounds for empathy or first aid experience is mechanics abuse.
Not a GM, but I'd keep in mind that there is no court system, and they don't have to prove you did it.
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Not a GM, but I'd keep in mind that there is no court system, and they don't have to prove you did it.
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For some reason, this thread reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftgmdRlDkko
Especially around 3:30 on.
"Brace yourselves, Squanto is going to bleh blah fart fart bleh.." -the player of the character formerly known as Pureblade
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Especially around 3:30 on.
"Brace yourselves, Squanto is going to bleh blah fart fart bleh.." -the player of the character formerly known as Pureblade
>>Not a GM, but I'd keep in mind that there is no court system, and they don't have to prove you did it.
To be fair to the GMs that regulate this sort of thing, they do have to prove their rulings to the satisfaction of supervisors and Feedback. So while there isn't a court, there is a secret tribunal. And if there's anything Americans have gotten behind in the past decade, it's secret tribunals.
-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas
To be fair to the GMs that regulate this sort of thing, they do have to prove their rulings to the satisfaction of supervisors and Feedback. So while there isn't a court, there is a secret tribunal. And if there's anything Americans have gotten behind in the past decade, it's secret tribunals.
-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas
Clearly not a GM so don't take my word as law in the least, but IMO as long as you're not making a blatant mockery of abusing the policy you're not going to get in trouble for it.
In other words, if person A is hitting person B every 5 minutes just so Empath C can heal person B, you'll probably get in trouble. If person A is sparring person B, it's a fair-ish fight, and Empath C is healing them after the fight, it's more acceptable. If person A & B are hunting a bit over their heads knowing that Empath C is nearby and can heal them/restore vit/etc, then it's DEFINITELY acceptable.
Just don't make a total mockery of what they're trying to enforce through that rule and you're pretty much golden.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
In other words, if person A is hitting person B every 5 minutes just so Empath C can heal person B, you'll probably get in trouble. If person A is sparring person B, it's a fair-ish fight, and Empath C is healing them after the fight, it's more acceptable. If person A & B are hunting a bit over their heads knowing that Empath C is nearby and can heal them/restore vit/etc, then it's DEFINITELY acceptable.
Just don't make a total mockery of what they're trying to enforce through that rule and you're pretty much golden.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
>>Thetruebob: Is this against policy? I don't know if I would do this a lot but an empath was looking for patients one time and I was wondering about this.
Yes, this is considered mechanics abuse. It's also very jarring from an RP perspective. See below for official comments.
POLICY 5
Examples of serious bug abuse: Disconnecting from the merchant manager to avoid paying the purchase price of an item; finding a "feedback loop" with spells or mana points, which allows spells to be cast multiple times with little or no cost; repeatedly injuring yourself (or another character) in order to generate experience for an empath or cleric; finding a special circumstance in which to use a potion whereby its quantity is not decremented when it is used; abusing game mechanics to cause duplication of items or coins.
Re: Proposed Sacrifice Spells on 06/02/2014 03:29 AM EDT
http://forums.play.net/forums/DragonRealms/The%20Paladins/Magic%20Talk%20and%20Spell%20Ideas/view/1753
>>I hang at the empath guild a lot: I don't see how its any easier than the folks that pincushion each other, blow traps on purpose, or intentionally backlash spells upon empath request.
All of these are mech abuse and can result in warnings. Don't do it.
Re: Shocking Debilitation on 06/10/2014 04:39 PM EDT
http://forums.play.net/forums/DragonRealms/The%20Empaths/General%20Discussions%20-%20Empaths/view/1831
>>It kills me to see Empaths these days who actively encourage other people to harm themselves so that they can get some Empathy exp.
This is still considered mech abuse and should be avoided (Setting aside the jarring rp). It's just very hard to police.
Re: Shocking Debilitation on 06/10/2014 10:30 PM EDT
http://forums.play.net/forums/DragonRealms/The%20Empaths/General%20Discussions%20-%20Empaths/view/1838
>>I had no idea that this was considered a policy abuse. Though it's obviously not being policed very hard at the moment it makes me happy to know that it is.
This is definitely, as Raesh said, still considered mechanics abuse. However, it's a tough thing to police because the behaviors themselves are not against policy, it's doing the behaviors specifically to generate wounds for an Empath that is. All people have to do is not explicitly state that they're doing it to generate wounds. So we could enforce the policy for a week or so until people learned to at least pretend to be doing it for some other reason, and then we'd be right back where we are now.
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Yes, this is considered mechanics abuse. It's also very jarring from an RP perspective. See below for official comments.
POLICY 5
Examples of serious bug abuse: Disconnecting from the merchant manager to avoid paying the purchase price of an item; finding a "feedback loop" with spells or mana points, which allows spells to be cast multiple times with little or no cost; repeatedly injuring yourself (or another character) in order to generate experience for an empath or cleric; finding a special circumstance in which to use a potion whereby its quantity is not decremented when it is used; abusing game mechanics to cause duplication of items or coins.
Re: Proposed Sacrifice Spells on 06/02/2014 03:29 AM EDT
http://forums.play.net/forums/DragonRealms/The%20Paladins/Magic%20Talk%20and%20Spell%20Ideas/view/1753
>>I hang at the empath guild a lot: I don't see how its any easier than the folks that pincushion each other, blow traps on purpose, or intentionally backlash spells upon empath request.
All of these are mech abuse and can result in warnings. Don't do it.
Re: Shocking Debilitation on 06/10/2014 04:39 PM EDT
http://forums.play.net/forums/DragonRealms/The%20Empaths/General%20Discussions%20-%20Empaths/view/1831
>>It kills me to see Empaths these days who actively encourage other people to harm themselves so that they can get some Empathy exp.
This is still considered mech abuse and should be avoided (Setting aside the jarring rp). It's just very hard to police.
Re: Shocking Debilitation on 06/10/2014 10:30 PM EDT
http://forums.play.net/forums/DragonRealms/The%20Empaths/General%20Discussions%20-%20Empaths/view/1838
>>I had no idea that this was considered a policy abuse. Though it's obviously not being policed very hard at the moment it makes me happy to know that it is.
This is definitely, as Raesh said, still considered mechanics abuse. However, it's a tough thing to police because the behaviors themselves are not against policy, it's doing the behaviors specifically to generate wounds for an Empath that is. All people have to do is not explicitly state that they're doing it to generate wounds. So we could enforce the policy for a week or so until people learned to at least pretend to be doing it for some other reason, and then we'd be right back where we are now.
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>>Ashaman1: Is this still a thing?
Unfortunately, yes. Sometimes it's pretty obvious, such when an Empath publicly gweths for people to spar outside the guild because she wants "wounds." Sometimes it's even more blatant:
[Empath] sweetly says, "I need some wounds."
[Moon Mage] says, "Let me see if I can blow my arms off for you."
[Moon Mage] says, "Give me a sec."
You ask [Moon Mage], "Were you nuts before you became a Moon Mage, or did that come later?"
[Moon Mage] says, "Comes with the territory I guess."
[Moon Mage] says, "I can fry my nerves real quick if you want those ..."
[Moon Mage] says, "Be right back."
[The Moon Mage leaves and returns with wounds.]
[Empath] sweetly says, "All good."
[Empath] sweetly says to [Moon Mage], "Thanks darlin."
[Moon Mage] says, "Welcome. Give me a few more rois and I'll see if I can't blow these arms off for ya."
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Unfortunately, yes. Sometimes it's pretty obvious, such when an Empath publicly gweths for people to spar outside the guild because she wants "wounds." Sometimes it's even more blatant:
[Empath] sweetly says, "I need some wounds."
[Moon Mage] says, "Let me see if I can blow my arms off for you."
[Moon Mage] says, "Give me a sec."
You ask [Moon Mage], "Were you nuts before you became a Moon Mage, or did that come later?"
[Moon Mage] says, "Comes with the territory I guess."
[Moon Mage] says, "I can fry my nerves real quick if you want those ..."
[Moon Mage] says, "Be right back."
[The Moon Mage leaves and returns with wounds.]
[Empath] sweetly says, "All good."
[Empath] sweetly says to [Moon Mage], "Thanks darlin."
[Moon Mage] says, "Welcome. Give me a few more rois and I'll see if I can't blow these arms off for ya."
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... and this is why people can't have nice things.
Suffice it to say, intentionally maiming yourself with a moongate for empathy exp is not going to end well for anyone involved either.
-Raesh
"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose
Suffice it to say, intentionally maiming yourself with a moongate for empathy exp is not going to end well for anyone involved either.
-Raesh
"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose
>>Slip all over the ice road and get jacked up. Your empath friends will love it!
What's funny is that it's SO easy to do this in a manner that isn't cartoonishly blatant in violating policy.
AFAIK, "I wanted to move along the ice road faster and I had an Empath heal me so I could do that" is TOTALLY within policy.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
What's funny is that it's SO easy to do this in a manner that isn't cartoonishly blatant in violating policy.
AFAIK, "I wanted to move along the ice road faster and I had an Empath heal me so I could do that" is TOTALLY within policy.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
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"Ugh. Empaths who encourage this sort of thing should be put down for the good of the guild. grumblemuttershakefist"
Not good RP. I feel like in a game of RP, asking your buddy to blow him/herself up is kinda crude. I'll be honest though, as a player, a nice big empathy mindlock...is tempting. Regardless, in a RP game, the empath should never ask/beg/expect someone to intentionally get injured. It is so demeaning. (For those of you wondering, my character's love for bloody spars isn't about healing.) Empaths can be as simple or as involved as the player wants. Respect and dignity is up to individual empath. Just my humble opinion.
Not good RP. I feel like in a game of RP, asking your buddy to blow him/herself up is kinda crude. I'll be honest though, as a player, a nice big empathy mindlock...is tempting. Regardless, in a RP game, the empath should never ask/beg/expect someone to intentionally get injured. It is so demeaning. (For those of you wondering, my character's love for bloody spars isn't about healing.) Empaths can be as simple or as involved as the player wants. Respect and dignity is up to individual empath. Just my humble opinion.
>>Shoobs: Thank god this is actually against Policy because I hate seeing people do this specifically to help an empathy train and then get yelled at and insulted for saying anything...by both parties.
If you see people explicitly doing this to generate empathy experience, you should REPORT it. Otherwise, it's pretty difficult to police.
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If you see people explicitly doing this to generate empathy experience, you should REPORT it. Otherwise, it's pretty difficult to police.
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Full arm destruction isn't all that common since the backlash rewrite unless you're really trying hard to do it wrong.
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