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I agree.
But how is, life threatening medical emergency not different from, I started a script and went to the movies.
Seems like a pretty binary difference to me.
My point was they didn't care, so good luck with that.
Honestly I hope it works out to his satisfaction either way, whatever the outcome is.
>> But how is, life threatening medical emergency not different from, I started a script and went to the movies.
There is no difference. If you are gaining exp or any benefits while AFK, you will get flagged as an afk scripter and pushed as such, no matter the reason.
If you are not gaining any benefits or giving any benefits, I don't think he should have gotten a script warning. Period. Mech warning? Spam warning? Sure.
I'm not a big fan of this particular tangent - someone offering a very simplified synopsis of some 3rd party's perspective of being wronged by the system compared to a current player getting a warning that they don't seem to want to contest due to their circumstances. It's amazing how easily important details get left out of the accounting of events. In this case, though I was busy packing and preparing to move during most of what happened, I did get to see a lot of what happened in the background on our side. There were 3 GMs over a period of a few hours involved in tracking down what was left of the player's inventory. Some of which was quickly recovered and given back to the player before he even became responsive. A good deal more had to be reconciled by sorting through pages upon pages of log records, gathered and held until they could be returned when the player returned. All of this was done without regard to fault, but instead out of an understanding that it was indeed a horrible set of circumstances.
Circumstances aside, we still advocate for looping scripts to have some input required from time to time, since that is the best method to prevent all the sorts of issues brought up here so far. As for the OP, I hope we were able to do enough for you to at least somewhat ease the burden of what happened, and I wish you the best in getting back to your normal routine.
ASGM Ricinus
Core, Logistics, Survival
Cleric Advocate
Circumstances aside, we still advocate for looping scripts to have some input required from time to time, since that is the best method to prevent all the sorts of issues brought up here so far. As for the OP, I hope we were able to do enough for you to at least somewhat ease the burden of what happened, and I wish you the best in getting back to your normal routine.
ASGM Ricinus
Core, Logistics, Survival
Cleric Advocate
Ricinus (and all the GMs),
I really hope it didn't sound like I do not appreciate the GMs who have helped along the way. Some of the items have been recovered and I am incredibly thankful for that. Like I said this wasn't a complaint post at all but a reminder to check your scripts and just a crazy story of happenstance. Last night 3 more items were recovered which was amazing. I know you all have gone above and beyond considering the situation and I truly appreciate it. I wasn't leaving that out to make it sound like I was not receiving help. My only real complaint is that it would have been nice to hear something from Feedback in three weeks since emailing them. I had to assist just to find out if they had even received the email.
I really hope it didn't sound like I do not appreciate the GMs who have helped along the way. Some of the items have been recovered and I am incredibly thankful for that. Like I said this wasn't a complaint post at all but a reminder to check your scripts and just a crazy story of happenstance. Last night 3 more items were recovered which was amazing. I know you all have gone above and beyond considering the situation and I truly appreciate it. I wasn't leaving that out to make it sound like I was not receiving help. My only real complaint is that it would have been nice to hear something from Feedback in three weeks since emailing them. I had to assist just to find out if they had even received the email.
>> I'm not a big fan of this particular tangent - someone offering a very simplified synopsis of some 3rd party's perspective of being wronged by the system compared to a current player getting a warning that they don't seem to want to contest due to their circumstances. It's amazing how easily important details get left out of the accounting of events. In this case, though I was busy packing and preparing to move during most of what happened, I did get to see a lot of what happened in the background on our side. There were 3 GMs over a period of a few hours involved in tracking down what was left of the player's inventory. Some of which was quickly recovered and given back to the player before he even became responsive. A good deal more had to be reconciled by sorting through pages upon pages of log records, gathered and held until they could be returned when the player returned. All of this was done without regard to fault, but instead out of an understanding that it was indeed a horrible set of circumstances.
Impressive! That was very very nice of you guys.
actually, losing an item is so rare anymore, due to depart item, registration and bonding potions, it makes people MORE likely to afk. Why worry about that tyrium sword of dewm...just invoke bond...Gazzion plats worth of stuff, no worries, depart item and no grave. My script hiccupped and I left my uber shield of diamond dust held together with wishes and dreams of children behind? Its registered, GM's will replace it. If anything, I think death/loss of items should be MORE prevalent. Depart item/coin/all should have a timer on them. Don't respond to a script check within say 15 minutes....all goes into a grave where ya died, PLUS applicable afk penalties. Will this rarely nail someone that had a ligit excuse such as internet going down/power outage? Yes, but that is why feedback has an appeals process. Also...cap favors at the cap for retaining scrolls. People running around with 200 favors is an invite to abuse. And while you are at it...add in a timer for multi deaths to eliminate those that use a mule to bob for bolts, depart, head right back. Death should be painful, not a speedbump.
>People running around with 200 favors is an invite to abuse.
Could you explain this? The only thing I can think of being abused at 200 (or anything over 60 really) favors is return on investment.
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Could you explain this? The only thing I can think of being abused at 200 (or anything over 60 really) favors is return on investment.
Vote:
http://www.topmudsites.com/vote-DragonRealms.html
Well, what I mean is, if there is no/minimal penalty for repeated deaths due to having banked a ton of favors, people are more likely to continue bad behavior because....just depart all. If you cap the favors at 15...well that limits a person to 5 depart alls before having to go get exp going and renew the favors.
Evike, didn't mean to insinuate that registration was an auto replace thing, just that it does make it much easier and GM's are much more likely to put forth the effort when the exact replica is a couple quick keystrokes away. I know that not all circumstances apply with item loss/registration.
>Well, what I mean is, if there is no/minimal penalty for repeated deaths due to having banked a ton of favors, people are more likely to continue bad behavior because....just depart all. If you cap the favors at 15...well that limits a person to 5 depart alls before having to go get exp going and renew the favors.
If you want a greater penalty from death and departure encouraging more favors makes more sense than capping them at less. Capping favors so low only makes a raising cleric's life harder.
When you depart full, the penalty/expense is much greater the more favors you have as far as unabsorbed experience/time spent.
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If you want a greater penalty from death and departure encouraging more favors makes more sense than capping them at less. Capping favors so low only makes a raising cleric's life harder.
When you depart full, the penalty/expense is much greater the more favors you have as far as unabsorbed experience/time spent.
Vote:
http://www.topmudsites.com/vote-DragonRealms.html
Capping favors at like 13 is honestly probably a good idea. I'm sure Resurrection's mechanics can be tweaked to compensate.
I'd rather see more death penalties regardless though. Longer Death's Sting. Being locked out of experience gain for an hour. That sort of thing.
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I'd rather see more death penalties regardless though. Longer Death's Sting. Being locked out of experience gain for an hour. That sort of thing.
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Like?
People aren't super death adverse from what I've seen, they actually treat it pretty casually. There are droves of games at HE that capitalize on this. I'm sorry but you can't have a consequence then say "oh but don't make it actually punish me."
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People aren't super death adverse from what I've seen, they actually treat it pretty casually. There are droves of games at HE that capitalize on this. I'm sorry but you can't have a consequence then say "oh but don't make it actually punish me."
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Stopping xp gain would probably mean stopping the game for many. You can give consequence in various ways, for example, after departing, the gods could demand a task be completed (sort of yeah, you had a favor and I noticed you were in need, but restoring life is worth a bit more than a few orb rubs). Stronger sting would be okay, but sort of meh in my opinion. You could add a system of bragging rights drops your ranking on death since people tend to be rather competitive. You could tie departs to a tithing system where your accounts are drained 2% on a rezz (would probably upset people a lot).
None of those seem as punishing as saying you died, you may as well go afk an hour or two.
I deeply dislike that players consider the only two things of importance (skills and items) to be sacrosanct, but I do not yet have the energy to start beating on that wall.
-Armifer
"Perinthia's astronomers are faced with a difficult choice. Either they must admit that all their calculations were wrong ... or else they must reveal that the order of the gods is reflected exactly in the city of monsters." - Italo Calvino
-Armifer
"Perinthia's astronomers are faced with a difficult choice. Either they must admit that all their calculations were wrong ... or else they must reveal that the order of the gods is reflected exactly in the city of monsters." - Italo Calvino
