Ebony durability terrible on 06/21/2015 11:45 AM CDT
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Would be awesome if the durability was raised just a little so it didn't make 1/11 extremely weak and easily damaged weapons. I guess you can just avoid parrying when using, but sad that the two rare 90 hardness woods both have garbage durability.

Here's walking cane in ebony and bocote. Only a little heavier but


An ebony walking cane is a quarter staff pole-ranged weapon.
An ebony walking cane trains the stave skill.

You are certain that it could do:
fair (5/26) puncture damage
low (3/26) slice damage
very great (12/26) impact damage
no fire damage
no cold damage
no electric damage

The walking cane is reasonably designed for improving the force of your attacks.

You are certain that the cane is soundly (8/14) balanced and is decently (6/14) suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.

You are certain that the walking cane is extremely weak and easily damaged, and is in pristine condition (98-100%).

You are certain that the walking cane weighs exactly 49 stones.
You are certain that the walking cane is worth exactly 7216 Dokoras.

A bocote walking cane is a quarter staff pole-ranged weapon.
A bocote walking cane trains the stave skill.

You are certain that it could do:
somewhat fair (4/26) puncture damage
low (3/26) slice damage
very heavy (10/26) impact damage
no fire damage
no cold damage
no electric damage

The walking cane is reasonably designed for improving the force of your attacks.

You are certain that the cane is well (9/14) balanced and is inadequately (4/14) suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.

You are certain that the walking cane is appreciably susceptible to damage (7/18), and is in pristine condition (98-100%).

You are certain that the walking cane weighs exactly 42 stones.
You are certain that the walking cane is worth exactly 2886 Dokoras.



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Re: Ebony durability terrible on 06/21/2015 01:49 PM CDT
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Well, ebony is equivalent to HCS. High stats at the expense of durability...



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Re: Ebony durability terrible on 06/21/2015 03:00 PM CDT
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So 90 hardness woods both have to be rare and both appraise with terrible durability?

HCS - 90 hardness 25 Durability and can be made by any trained monkey from common materials.

Ironwood - 90 hardness 20 durability (very rare)
ebony - 90 hardness 10 durability (rare)

I guess I don't see the balance between rare/very rare woods vs. common metals. Ironwood being VERY RARE seems like it could be a touch better then HCS durability wise.

I love the shaping system and lumberjacking has pretty much taken me out of combat. Just the top harness/durability types of wood look being not great got bows affinity-wise and 90 hardness terrible durability-wise.

TYPE (Hardness/Durability)
Darkspine 95/70 (VR)
Rockwood 95/75 (VR)
Ironwood 90/20 (VR)
Ebony 90/10 (R)
Bocote 85/55 (R)
Hickory 85/55 (R)
Osage 82/80 (R)
Yew 82/70 (R)

Just my thoughts.

Morp

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Re: Ebony durability terrible on 06/21/2015 03:28 PM CDT
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Ironwood is only as rare as it is because there is no boreal area you can get to from crossing without a ferry or a ton of swimming.

Taking stock of its defensive abilities, and attacking with a book of apprentice carving instructions, you are certain that the dire bear is a truly skilled opponent.
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Re: Ebony durability terrible on 06/21/2015 04:39 PM CDT
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>Ironwood is only as rare as it is because there is no boreal area you can get to from crossing without a ferry or a ton of swimming.

From K's list classified very rare, it's like kertig, haralun, glaes, etc. mineable/lumberjackable and not unique (fest/auction), and a very rare find.

https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Post:Statistics_-_06/16/2015_-_00:06

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Re: Ebony durability terrible on 06/21/2015 10:48 PM CDT
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>>Ironwood being VERY RARE seems like it could be a touch better then HCS durability wise.

Kodius's list has ironwood listed as rare, not very rare.

http://forums.play.net/forums/DragonRealms/Lore/Responses%20to%20GameMaster%20Announcements/view/613

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Re: Ebony durability terrible on 06/22/2015 08:11 AM CDT
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Okay I can't hold this in any longer.

Kodius Please.

Bows can be laminated to increase durability.

Metal can be tempered.

HCS can be increased possibly 3 levels of durability and I know that I have done the same with bows that I have made of common uncommon and rare/very rare woods.


Why then is the wood for Staves that is of HCS standard (and truely a complete step above your Yew Osage and Hickory)not able to be "laminated as a staves to allow ebony/ironwood that 3 level durability increase?

I mean the stat different is insane of 85 hardness of Hickory to a complete 90 hardness of ironwwod/ebony. Yet the durability stats change from 80 Osage to 20/10 respectively.

Even the pure RP outlook screams a Metal nightstick and quarterstaff is silly.

Give us a way to increase staves durability Please. You did it for bows just add in that page to our shaping books.

Had to get this off my chest the wooden weapons I have been making from less then Rockwood/Darkspine make me cringe.
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Re: Ebony durability terrible on 06/22/2015 11:35 AM CDT
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With the low durabilities of those woods you wouldn't see a boost of more than one level. Even if it did more, it wouldn't matter much the way durability scales.

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Re: Ebony durability terrible on 06/22/2015 12:08 PM CDT
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An ironwood quarterstaff is a quarter staff pole-ranged weapon.
An ironwood quarterstaff trains the stave skill.

You are certain that it could do:
somewhat moderate (6/26) puncture damage
dismal (1/26) slice damage
severe (13/26) impact damage
no (0/26) fire damage
no (0/26) cold damage
no (0/26) electric damage

The quarterstaff is soundly (8/17) designed for improving the force of your attacks.

You are certain that the quarterstaff is well (9/17) balanced and is decently (6/17) suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.

You are certain that the quarterstaff is quite fragile and easily damaged (3/18), and is in pristine condition (98-100%).

You are certain that the quarterstaff weighs exactly 60 stones.
You are certain that the quarterstaff is worth exactly 8000 Kronars.

The fact that the Only woods to bridge the gap between 85 and 95 hardness turn out like this is just silly and a slap in the face to anyone that doesn't work with metals.

I am not the only Shaper that feels this way just the only one to voice it.
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Re: Ebony durability terrible on 06/22/2015 12:19 PM CDT
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Fortunately for weapons, durability is pretty unimportant. For now anyway.

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Re: Ebony durability terrible on 06/22/2015 12:27 PM CDT
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Appraisal aside I tried getting weapon damage on a maple quarterstaff and I tried for more than an hour fighting creatures in parry stance known for damaging gear and handed it off for someone else to try for another hour and didn't see a single scuff on the Qstaff.

I know it appraises Quite Fragile but that wasn't my experience. Can anyone share how they've managed to damage their shaped staves?



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Re: Ebony durability terrible on 06/22/2015 01:47 PM CDT
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I actually haven't used them outside of Shield/Evasion stance since 90 hardness with 1/18 extremely weak and easily damaged seemed like it would damage very quickly. Guessing not taking damage is a bug that will be squashed quickly now.

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Re: Ebony durability terrible on 06/23/2015 08:30 PM CDT
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Well, please keep in mind that I am unable to change any wood stats because it wouldn't retro-actively "fix" old bows and I'd have 500,000,000,000 assists to replace/refund bow mats :P



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Re: Ebony durability terrible on 06/23/2015 09:04 PM CDT
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Quick fix

You turn your book to chapter 6, entitled "Shaping Enhancements".

-= Chapter 6 : Shaping Enhancements =-

Page 1: bow lamination
Page 2: bow lightening
Page 3: bow cable-backing
Page 4: stave lamination
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Re: Ebony durability terrible on 06/23/2015 09:14 PM CDT
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This would be best thing. Only prob is spending another tech on another laminating.

-= Chapter 6 : Shaping Enhancements =-

Page 1: wood lamination
Page 2: bow lightening
Page 3: bow cable-backing
Would be a better resolution heh. ;)

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Re: Ebony durability terrible on 06/24/2015 12:48 AM CDT
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>>Well, please keep in mind that I am unable to change any wood stats because it wouldn't retro-actively "fix" old bows and I'd have 500,000,000,000 assists to replace/refund bow mats :P

The system is still basically in testing phase. I would just change what needs to be changed with the caveat that nothing will be replaced, as these weren't unique, quest only woods.

Secondly, why does ironwood have such poor durability? I've never really dug into the lore behind it in game, but I always assumed it was a relatively hard wood.
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